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Parallax's New Selective Solder Machine

Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
edited 2011-06-17 15:47 in General Discussion
Hey Everybody-
Our ACE Protech Selective Solder Machine (KISS 102) is sitting inside a tractor-trailer rig in our parking lot right now. Tomorrow morning we un-load it with the help of our Fabulous Forklift Operator (David).

BTW, "KISS stands for "Keep it Simple Soldering"...

The stage is set. The pre-wiring and pre-ducting and pre-nitrogen piping are all in place.

This machine is really cool! It's designed to automatically "hand-solder" components to PCB's. Basically it's like a little tiny solder "fountain" that wipes its way across the bottom of a circuit board - but very selectively (hence, its name). Think like a "wave" but in the shape of a "bubble".

One of its main benefits is that we will now be able to "hand-solder" in volumes that could not possibly be cost-effective here in the US. And since many products don't reach the threshold of over-seas production cost effectiveness, we'll be able to do them in house with better quality control and faster turn-around.

This alone makes some of our "product ideas" financially possible. The Li-ion Power Packs will be produced in volume on this machine (after the surface mount stuff is PNP'd and ovened).

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More Pics and Movies to come!
-Matt
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  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2011-05-26 18:23
    It's here!

    There was a Welcoming Committee...
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    ...and a Parade with only One Float...
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    ...we let the "cat out of the bag"...
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    ...and gave her new home...isn't she purty?
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    -Matt
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  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2011-05-26 18:40
    ...nitrogen?

    Pray tell?

    DJ
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2011-05-26 20:04
    Hi Dave -

    As I understand it, Nitrogen prevents solder "bridging" and displaces oxygen which minimizes oxidation of the soldered joint. Without it, the joints look pretty awful. Seems like an expensive thing, but when you factor in the time that the machine saves, and the quality that it produces, it's really a small price to pay.

    -Matt
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-05-26 20:34
    Thats really cool. I can't wait to some some Pics.
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    A few years ago: I saw a video tour of a solder rework class room.Each rework station had a HP bottle of nitrogen at it.I just assumed this was the lack of an air-compressor, But now I know what the nitrogen was for.
    '
    I'll have to try using nitrogen on my home made rework station instead of compressed air.
    '
    P.S. nitrogen is pretty cheap when compared to other gases.
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,935
    edited 2011-05-26 21:45
    Nitrogen is used to create an inert atmosphere for the molten solder which reduces the generation of dross, prevents oxides from forming, and thus reduces contaminants in the solder leaving improved solder joints. Maintaining proper alloy percentages in the solder is critical for proper machine operation, especially with lead free solders like SAC305 (SAC305= 96.5%Sn (tin), 3% Ag (silver), and 0.5% Cu (copper)) . Lead free solder will already be attempting to leach copper from the PCB's pads, so that is typically the first metal to be offset from the original percentages. On this particular machine, the nitrogen is also used to pressure the flux tank to push the liquid flux through the atomizing spray head.

    Can't wait to see your progress with the machine. I wonder what running one of those machines is like....:innocent:
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2011-05-26 21:57
    Sheesh, Matt! I was planning on taking Friday off but now I am coming to Parallax to see the new machine. Imagine the possibilities - we will never again look at through-hole the same way. No more dipping, hand soldering, outsourcing or design-arounds. We can use the best part with far less consideration to the exact process we will use. There have been occasions when we purchased very expensive PnP feeders just to avoid a single through-hole part.

    Bring on the nitrogen,

    Ken Gracey
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2011-05-26 22:27
    Wow - Thank you Dr. Andrew for that fine disertation on dross and atmospheres :-)

    Sorry Ken - No rest for the wicked...see you on the 'morrow!
    -Matt
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2011-05-26 23:20
    As I understand it, Nitrogen prevents solder "bridging" and displaces oxygen which minimizes oxidation of the soldered joint.

    Hmmm...ok - makes sense.

    Thank you!
  • electrosyselectrosys Posts: 212
    edited 2011-05-27 00:48
    Hope to see some pictures of this machine in action.
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2011-05-27 01:16
    WoW!
    That new machine sounds wonderful (and expensive).
    I'd sure like to see it in operation. Does it use the big blue
    nitrogen tanks or will you have a liquid nitrogen container
    outside somewhere?

    I bet it does get expensive when you have to hire a lot
    of people and train them to hand solder boards.

    Can't wait to see pics and vids of this gadget :-)
  • markaericmarkaeric Posts: 282
    edited 2011-05-27 05:42
    Whoa! I never knew such a machine existed. It now sort of makes sense how boards can be produced with a bunch of through-hole components, as well as SMDs on both sides.



    One of its main benefits is that we will now be able to "hand-solder" in volumes that could not possibly be cost-effective here in the US. And since many products don't reach the threshold of over-seas production cost effectiveness, we'll be able to do them in house with better quality control and faster turn-around.

    That sounds awesome! Can't wait to see what some of those products might be.
  • SeariderSearider Posts: 290
    edited 2011-05-27 06:11
    check out the video from ace prodcution

    http://www.ace-protech.com/videos/KISS101B.wmv
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2011-05-27 10:43
    It's here, and now the fun begins (see pics above).
    -Matt
  • BumpBump Posts: 592
    edited 2011-05-27 11:28
    Even more pics; I have some video we're still going over too. Then we'll have to get a few action shots.

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  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2011-05-28 20:26
    Another nice addition to the robotics family of pnp machines :)
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-29 16:29
    WOW I would like to see one of these in action! It must be awesome to work at Parallax!
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2011-05-29 17:20
    WOW I would like to see one of these in action! It must be awesome to work at Parallax!

    You'll see it in action in about a week. I'm as anxious as you are about getting it running

    Fun to work at Parallax? Aw, that's just an illusion. But I'll tell you one thing for certain, and this important fact is true no matter what you do and where you do it. If you enjoy your profession then it's hardly work at all but really rewarding. Some Parallax people use these machines for work and hobby. This kind of approach makes "work" far more enjoyable and it brings benefits to product development. We've only had one problem - last October somebody put a pumpkin in the laser cutter. That was an expensive mistake and I still don't haven't identified the pumpkin engraver though everybody else in the office probably knows who committed the inside job.

    And if you want to find out if it really is fun at Parallax, the offer for a future internship still stands. You have to be old enough to rent your own room and get back and forth to Parallax each day.

    Ken Gracey
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-29 18:25
    @Ken: An illusion? Your employees seem pretty happy to me. :-) However when I say Parallax I don't mean them exclusively, but anywhere in the electronics field, which I will most likely end up working in. Electronics, programming, etc. is my favorite thing to do, so anywhere I work where that is what I get to do, will be great.
    When I am old enough I will take you up on your internship offer. It would be great real world experience in the field, and a chance to see (and work at) Parallax. I won't put a pumpkin in the laser cutter. :-) Which brings me to the obviously posed question: What made this an expensive mistake? Did you have to clean the internals of the machine?
    P.S. While talking of business, this brings me to one final and unrelated question: Does the mail delivery device I built for you last year still function correctly, or did you ever get it hooked up? (I won't be upset if you haven't) Just wanted to make sure.

    Thanks,
    Microcontrolled
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2011-05-30 14:04
    @Micro: not an illusion - they truly enjoy what they do because they say so quite often. The pumpkin burned and destroyed the laser cutter lense (?) I believe. It took three weeks to get the machine up and running again and would have cost a few thousand dollars but the nice folks at Epilog took care of the problem under our warranty.

    The mail delivery device worked great for a few weeks until the accountant discovered that FedEx offers an automatic e-mail notification the minute a package is dropped off. After she started using that our little project looked like its time had come and gone. I think you asked the same question in another thread but I never replied due to lack of time and then it fell off my radar. Thanks for a job well-done!

    Ken Gracey
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-30 14:49
    Until now, the only exclusion in the Epilog warranty has been for cutting vinyl. (The chlorine gas emissions corrode the electronics.) I can well imagine that pumpkins could be added soon. BTW, tortillas engrave nicely, but the images fade too quickly to sell for big bucks as "found art" on eBay. (Failed business idea #659.)

    -Phil
  • SSteveSSteve Posts: 808
    edited 2011-05-30 14:53
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    We've only had one problem - last October somebody put a pumpkin in the laser cutter.

    That's funny. When a salesman came by our vet clinic to demo a laser scalpel system one of his selling points (aside from the ubiquitous "It pays for itself!") was that it was great for carving pumpkins. Are there any Parallax employees who used to work in a vet clinic?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-30 15:02
    Here's a video that shows the soldering machine in action:

    I'm amazed that the solder bubble's shape can be controlled so well. I realize that molten solder has very high surface tension, but I wonder if there's more to the shaping process than that.

    -Phil
  • bomberbomber Posts: 297
    edited 2011-05-30 15:29
    Awesome!!!!!!!!! I wish it was there when I was visiting Parallax!
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2011-05-30 15:30
    Wow! Amazing video. Maybe erco will buy me one...
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2011-05-30 17:56
    @Whit: Wow! Amazing wish!
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-30 17:56
    @Ken: Obsolete in a few weeks! You had me worried at "It worked fine for a few weeks until...." and I thought it had broken or stopped working. :-o
    As long as it worked fine while it lasted.... I guess you could still use it as a digital clock, or a cool doorbell, or something. :-) Still, thanks for hiring me, I really appreciate it!

    Thanks,
    Microcontrolled
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2011-05-30 19:20
    Don't sweat it uC'd. I've been doing this so long that it's fair to say most of what I've done over the years is now obsolete and has been replaced. Kinda sucks seeing your hard work in the dumpster but then life itself is kind of like that.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2011-05-30 21:26
    localroger wrote: »
    Don't sweat it uC'd. I've been doing this so long that it's fair to say most of what I've done over the years is now obsolete and has been replaced. Kinda sucks seeing your hard work in the dumpster but then life itself is kind of like that.

    Hey Roger! Guess you made a safe trip home to New Orleans. Thank you for coming to UPEW and it was great to meet you.

    Well, the dumpster in this case is my shelf in the office. And the hardware is just going to be re-purposed for another project by Microcontrolled in the future. Or, I'll just hang on to it until he comes to Parallax for his future internship. That way he could see how far he has come. Nothing demonstrates progress like looking at something you made several years ago, at least it's this way in my case.

    Ken Gracey
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2011-05-31 19:01
    Thanks Ken, yeah I made it home but the ATL-MSY leg involved a flight attendant in a jump seat about 10 feet from me hugging the service cart as the plane bucked and heaved after the captain issued the very terse order, "Attendants, stop service and find a jump seat NOW." When a 300,000 pound airplane goes nearly weightless for a few seconds things are not right.

    Being reacquainted with old work can be bittersweet. Did I really spend all that time writing a 8035 cross-assembler, or the graphics library for the short-lived and now long-defunct HP150 touchscreen not quite PC-compatible PC? I have had the experience of literally throwing my own stuff in the dumpster, and also of discarding stuff I'd been saving for years upon realizing that it really had become useless. Am I really going to use some ca. 1985 process controller to do an automation project today when I can get much better functionality for less than $50 and it won't use a hundredth of the power? I am hanging on to the last HP150 system for nostalgia but one day it will go too. At this point I don't think I have any way to get data out of it, since there are no compatible diskette drives (if they even work any more). I might be able to use a serial cable. It's doubtful that there's anything on there worth the effort that I didn't port out long ago anyway.

    I also still have the TRS-80 color computer I bought on the company nickel and used for testing printers. If I make it back to UPEW I might send a care package ahead with some of this stuff for the freebie table.

    Anyway, UPEW was a blast. It was great to see the facility and meet you and everyone else. I also snagged a BOE bot (I took the obvious return of dubious provenance in the bag, not the new one in the box) and Penguin board set off the free table and I'm thinking it's time to play with robots some more. It's funny how priorities get sorted. I could buy a BOE bot if I wanted, and could probably even con my boss into paying for it. But I've got other things to do. But there it is, not just free but looking forlorn and almost asking to be used, and I did like playing with the robot I built back in 2002 but it's kind of a hog and needs new wheels. And then I realized what the Penguin board kit was. And then I realized, well, I need a PING module and so I had to buy that. Arrived today. Didn't even try to expense it. This is purely play, and like a lot of people my age I probably don't really do enough of that.

    If you or any of the other Parallax folk are going to be in the New Orleans area give me a PM or email, and I can show you where I work. While my corporate masters are not the sort to come to something like UPEW themselves, I know they'd love to introduce themselves to any Parallax people who might be available and show off our own facility. For that matter, I think I can safely extend the same invitation to other forum members. Our nickel tour doesn't have a pick and place machine or CNC mill, but it does have thousand pound test weights and some big honking heavy capacity testing machines as well as lab balances capable of weighing micrograms. Oh, and there's some guy who has two computers one with 2 monitors (on internet) and another with 3 (behind firewall) and a whole bunch of Parallax hardware...
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2011-06-01 09:46
    Ok, so the KISS 102 is installed as far as we can go until "Training" early next week...

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    That "cable bundle" coming down the ducting consists of power, compressed air, grounding wire, network cable, and compressed nitrogen.

    Nitrogen tanks are arriving later this week, just in time for the multi-day training session. I'll post video as soon as we're making something real.

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    It's quite possible that the first board to be 'KISSed' will be the (much fabled) Li-ion board :-)
    -Matt
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