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Hecka Prop :)

jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
edited 2011-05-17 22:24 in Propeller 1
The word "hecka" is used by Silicon Valley teens to mean "a lot" of something.

So for the teenagers and kids at heart, here's a HeckaProp board with 30 Propeller islands :)

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For the rest of us, here's a HexProp or Prop 6-Pack board :)

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Those are just intermediate steps of course. The end product is SpinSocket :)
HeckaProp.png
405 x 274 - 302K
Prop6pack.png
687 x 465 - 862K

Comments

  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-05-15 19:36
    LOL
    Good one Jazzed::..
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,726
    edited 2011-05-15 19:37
    Very nice. There is something about them in array form that makes them look so much tidier

    Is the bottom v-scored as well? Otherwise you could have them all connected and running diagnostics...
  • markaericmarkaeric Posts: 282
    edited 2011-05-15 19:47
    Wow.. It looks like the prop just *barely* fits on the board. Can't help but wonder what one could do with 30 props on one big board :)
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-15 19:50
    Thanks guys.

    @markaeric, I was thinking frisbee, but that could be dangerous.

    Two panels could be stacked for 60 propellers in a space the size of an iPad :) Not that I would ever do that.

    Tubuar, yes the 6-pack is just a section from one of the 30 piece panels.
    I was able to test them on the SpinSocket Platform board one at a time like that.
    Somehow I feel like "Breaking Up is Hard to Do." Sedaka and Kiki Dee ....
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-15 20:39
    jazzed,

    I watch Sourth Park, so I know the kids don't say "hecka." "HeliProp" might have been closer! :)

    -Phil
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-15 21:43
    My kids say hecka. I've heard the alternative though.
    I'm a South Park fan too, but haven't seen it much lately.
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2011-05-15 21:52
    Nice jazzed. You could put your hecka with my deca ramblade (prop, microSD & 512KB sram) to make a really interesting prop computer
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2011-05-16 03:57
    jazzed wrote: »
    ...here's a HeckaProp board with 30 Propeller islands...
    I'll take ten boards along with the populated 300 Props.
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-16 04:30
    @Humanoido: Normally I'd think you were joking, but after seeing some of your more outlandish projects, I'm thinking you're serious.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-05-16 04:56
    He wants something like 5,000 I/Os for his Mac. :)
  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,996
    edited 2011-05-16 06:03
    Looks great! Good job.

    (That may actually be a nice size to fit my little graphical LCDs too, I think they're about the same size... Also, the flash and LCD could share the same 8-bit bus...)
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-16 08:35
    @Rayman,

    The flash shown is 4MB of Winbond W25Q chips. I have some ST chips too.
    I plan to leave out the flash on most boards for sale at UPEW, but will have both types with me.

    Which LCD do you mean? It would be nice if we can put something together.
    Yes, using different chip selects makes it possible to share the 8 pin data.

    My GameBaby design currently uses separate pins to simplify the drivers though.
    I'd like to use the same pins to allow more features and may do that on another PCB.


    @Humanioido,

    Getting 10 fully functional panels will be expensive because the yield is not 100%.
    It is expected that some modules will not pass PCB electrical test on some panels.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2011-05-17 05:16
    Jazzed: Getting 10 fully functional panels will be expensive because the yield is not 100%.
    It is expected that some modules will not pass PCB electrical test on some panels.

    In that case, put socketed props on both sides of the board and double the density of chips for ten boards with 600 props to make it a worthwhile investment.

    Microcontrolled: Normally I'd think you were joking, but after seeing some of your more outlandish projects, I'm thinking you're serious.

    I'm serious.

    Leon: He wants something like 5,000 I/Os for his Mac.

    That's right, but I'll settle for about 5,000 I/Os on the Partitioned Propeller chips, combined with several TeraFlops of processing speed from the Mac.

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-17 05:37
    You really want 10 panels of 30?!?!?
    Wow, I wish I had made these first, that's about $2300 worth of setups.....

    This has inspired me to look at your big brain (project :-) ) and I have to say that it is very impressive! I'll be following it with interest now.....
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2011-05-17 06:10
    but after seeing some of your more outlandish projects, I'm thinking you're serious.

    Some find the Bill Brain Project outlandish; I for one Welcome our new Robitc Overlords.
    double the density

    @jazzed - Don't do it! Skynet will not spare its creators!
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-17 06:57
    Humanoido wrote: »
    Jazzed: Getting 10 fully functional panels will be expensive because the yield is not 100%.
    It is expected that some modules will not pass PCB electrical test on some panels.

    In that case, put socketed props on both sides of the board and double the density of chips for ten boards with 600 props to make it a worthwhile investment.
    It is not the assembly that I'm worried about. It's the PCB as I clearly stated.
    I have 1 perfect board out of 5.

    If you accept up to 4 out of 30 modules per panel being unusable,
    then I'll sell you panels. The boards are not RHOS certified.

    If you want them assembled, you will have to pay up front.
    The boards would be assembled by hand or in an IR oven.

    I'm not changing the design to put on 2 propellers per module.
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-17 07:03
    @Jazzed: May I ask why not? You seem to have a good investment considering he's going to buy so many of them. Also, 1 perfect board out of 5??? So only 6 of those 30 PCB's work???
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2011-05-17 07:48
    @Humanoido, the Big Brain should be able to re-wire around defective parts of it's brain, just like a human brain can partially recover when there is injury to part of the brain.

    @Jazzed, you should be able to charge a premium price for a board with 100% of the processors working. It would not be unreasonable to charge at least twice the standard price, if not more.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-17 07:58
    Jazzed,

    I'm curious who's fabbing your boards. If they're tested, anything less than a 100% delivered yield is unacceptable. I have panels of 20 and 30 produced all the time, and my supplier would not dare ship panels with bad boards.

    -Phil
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-17 08:00
    Microcontrolled wrote: »
    @Jazzed: May I ask why not? You seem to have a good investment considering he's going to buy so many of them. Also, 1 perfect board out of 5??? So only 6 of those 30 PCB's work???

    This is a manufactured panel design. It is expected that there be some bad individual modules.
    The modules are all tested. The purpose of panelizing is to make the individual modules as cheap as possible. I could ask for individual modules, but not many board houses will produce that.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-17 08:30
    jazzed wrote:
    This is a manufactured panel design. It is expected that there be some bad individual modules.
    No, it's not, if you're using a reputable fab house.

    -Phil
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-05-17 08:36
    jazzed wrote:
    This is a manufactured panel design. It is expected that there be some bad individual modules.
    Jazzed:
    Thank you. You have just made me happy to make all my own boards. I have made over 2000, in my life, with zero bad boards.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-17 08:59
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    No, it's not, if you're using a reputable fab house.

    -Phil
    This arrangement is between me and the FAB house. The individual modules I sell will not have any defects.
    If someone wants a panel, it will be on terms we agree to. If you like we can take this discussion off line.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-17 09:11
    jazzed wrote:
    If you like we can take this discussion off line.
    Is that the same as, "Hey, bud, ya wanna step outside and settle this?" :)

    I'm sure you know what you're doing. It's just that I've never been delivered bad boards in a panel. It would really screw up a pick-and-place operation.

    -Phil
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-17 09:16
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    Is that the same as, "Hey, bud, ya wanna step outside and settle this?" :)
    No. I'm inviting you to a conversation, not a fight.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-05-17 09:17
    I know. I was just kidding!

    -Phil
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2011-05-17 19:55
    The object of accepting flawed or rejected pcbs within a panel is to reduce price. This can make a significant reduction if you are prepared to accept this. We tend to go to lower priced fab houses for these pcbs than we would for professional pcbs, which cost significantly more per pcb.

    FWIW My TriBlades were made 10 up (14x16" panel) and I had 3 panels made. They actually made a forth panel for me. No panel had all pcbs perfect. Cost was >$800. I was much luckier with my RamBlades with all panels certified, but they were smaller panels 4x7" with 10 pcbs per panel.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-05-17 22:24
    Cluso99 wrote: »
    The object of accepting flawed or rejected pcbs within a panel is to reduce price. This can make a significant reduction if you are prepared to accept this. We tend to go to lower priced fab houses for these pcbs than we would for professional pcbs, which cost significantly more per pcb.
    @Cluso99, Thank you for that supportive explanation.

    I paid for 120 functional SpinSocket-Flash modules which would be 4 panels of 30 modules each.
    5 panels were shipped. So I got my 120 modules + 25 more modules for free - I'm happy :).
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