Shop OBEX P1 Docs P2 Docs Learn Events
Need TV PAL driver — Parallax Forums

Need TV PAL driver

SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
edited 2011-04-19 05:55 in Propeller 1
Hi all. Is it any of You that have good TV PAL driver ??

Comments

  • PerryPerry Posts: 253
    edited 2011-04-18 06:14
    The Propeller TV driver claims to do PAL.
    Have you tried it?
    ''  tv_mode
    ''
    ''    bit 4 selects between 16x16 and 16x32 pixel tiles:
    ''      0: 16x16 pixel tiles (tileheight = 16)
    ''      1: 16x32 pixel tiles (tileheight = 32)
    ''
    ''    bit 3 controls chroma mixing into broadcast:
    ''      0: mix chroma into broadcast (color)
    ''      1: strip chroma from broadcast (black/white)
    ''
    ''    bit 2 controls chroma mixing into baseband:
    ''      0: mix chroma into baseband (composite color)
    ''      1: strip chroma from baseband (black/white or s-video)
    ''
    ''    bit 1 controls interlace:
    ''      0: progressive scan (243 display lines for NTSC, 286 for PAL)
    ''           less flicker, good for motion
    ''      1: interlaced scan (486 display lines for NTSC, 572 for PAL)
    ''           doubles the vertical display lines, good for text
    ''
    ''    bit 0 selects NTSC or PAL format
    ''      0: NTSC
    ''           3016 horizontal display ticks
    ''           243 or 486 (interlaced) vertical display lines
    ''           CLKFREQ must be at least 14_318_180 (4 * 3_579_545 Hz)*
    ''      1: PAL
    ''           3692 horizontal display ticks
    ''           286 or 572 (interlaced) vertical display lines
    ''           CLKFREQ must be at least 17_734_472 (4 * 4_433_618 Hz)*
    ''
    
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-04-18 06:17
    Hi Perry As long I tested - Without colors Gray-scale only
    Perry wrote: »
    The Propeller TV driver claims to do PAL.
    Have you tried it?
  • PerryPerry Posts: 253
    edited 2011-04-18 06:27
    I wonder what's wrong with the PAL. You would thing Parallax would have tested that.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-04-18 06:32
    Hi Perry. Normally all TV drivers on Propeller are for NTSC. Np problem as long TV display supports both modes.
    NTSC and PAL. But I have some very nice 7'' TV displays that only support PAL. And them cant display colors on Drivers available in OBX that are vriten for NTSC.


    Perry wrote: »
    I wonder what's wrong with the PAL. You would thing Parallax would have tested that.
  • PerryPerry Posts: 253
    edited 2011-04-18 06:43
    Sapieha wrote: »
    Hi Perry. Normally all TV drivers on Propeller are for NTSC. Np problem as long TV display supports both modes.
    NTSC and PAL. But I have some very nice 7'' TV displays that only support PAL. And them cant display colors on Drivers available in OBX that are vriten for NTSC


    For every stupid question there is at least one intelligent answer.
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvxrGaVBsk

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?99657-Spintris-NTSC-PAL-video-game-for-Propeller

    Have you tried setting the PAL bit?
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-04-18 07:14
    You should be able to use the NTSC driver, just change the color burst frequency to 4.43361875MHz and remember that the colors will be off by 90 degrees. You may also have to change the timing slightly.
  • PerryPerry Posts: 253
    edited 2011-04-18 07:31
    You should be able to use the NTSC driver, just change the color burst frequency to 4.43361875MHz and remember that the colors will be off by 90 degrees. You may also have to change the timing slightly.

    I don't think that would work. PAL does a phase flip every other line. PAL works on the Propeller.

    My next suggestion would be to put a 100 ohm resistor to ground on the video output. The standard Paralax reference circuit does not properly match 75 ohm impedence.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-04-18 07:57
    Ok, you have me interested. I do not have any displays that are PAL capable.
    How is this phase flip done? I would like my code to work, and I am trying to match the PAL as I understand it, I am testing the NTSC side.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-04-18 08:03
    Reading the PAL standards documents that I have (in books), I do not see any thing about phase alternating per line, on the other hand I do see this in the SECAM standard, is this what you are referring to?
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-04-18 08:13
    Sorry; I just found that information, On Wikipedia. I am suprized it is omitted from all my books on the subject.
  • StefanL38StefanL38 Posts: 2,292
    edited 2011-04-18 14:45
    if I remember right,

    somebody here in the forum was tweaking the PAL-driver and had success. But I don't remember who it was.
    best regards

    Stefan
  • ColeyColey Posts: 1,112
    edited 2011-04-18 14:49
    Stefan, you do remember it right! It was Baggers who modified tv.spin for better quality......

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?100191-Fellow-PAL-Prop-ers-rejoice-)&highlight=pal60
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-04-18 16:18
    Thanks ALL
    Coley wrote: »
    Stefan, you do remember it right! It was Baggers who modified tv.spin for better quality......

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?100191-Fellow-PAL-Prop-ers-rejoice-)&highlight=pal60
  • JT CookJT Cook Posts: 487
    edited 2011-04-18 18:39
    I know I have used Bagger's modified TV driver and it works pretty nice because you can switch between NTSC and PAL with a single switch.
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2011-04-18 18:47
    One of the problems we now have is to find a PAL only monitor. My TVs with composite inputs are primarily PAL (Australia) they also do NTSC. My oldest TVs are over 10 years old.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-04-19 05:55
    Hi Cluso. My friend give me 2 that ones that only have composite PAL in. Small 7'' LCD's from DVD player.
    Cluso99 wrote: »
    One of the problems we now have is to find a PAL only monitor. My TVs with composite inputs are primarily PAL (Australia) they also do NTSC. My oldest TVs are over 10 years old.
Sign In or Register to comment.