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?Alt win vers for Prop tool???

davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
edited 2011-03-13 14:13 in Propeller 1
Has any one tried to run the propeller tool on Windows 98SE with KernelEx or on ReactOS and use the Prop Plug? If so what if any difficulty is there in doing so?

I do not want to have to go the trouble of resizing my partitions, converting my Ext2/3 and BeFS partitions from primary to extended, and install 1 and possibly 2 OSes, just to find out that the Propeller Tool will not work on these systems.

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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2011-03-13 01:01
    Windows 98? Why on earth?

    What is your current platform? Sounds like some kind of linux with ext.

    So why not forget the Prop tool and use BST?

    BST is a sort of Prop too clone by BradC with some extra features. BST runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2011-03-13 01:08
    By the way, welcome to the forum.

    I forgot to mention that have used BST on Debian exclusively for since it first came out and it works very well. You can find links to it on the Parallax Propeller pages.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2011-03-13 01:18
    Heater. wrote: »
    Windows 98? Why on earth?
    Sometimes we have hand-down computers or cannot part with existing ones. It is also a hobby to keep these nostalgic computers running. One time I fished a win 3.1 computer from the trash, repaired its motherboard and restored its operation. It was great fun and a learning experience too. Eventually I got it working on internet and established a network with it and it was very useful with file management. I can see how it would be great to have a spare win 98 computer to load up propeller chips and develop software.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2011-03-13 03:29
    Humanoido,

    I can understand the notalgia thing, I'm still into CP/M after all. But what could one possibly learn from playing with windows 3.1 and 98? At least for CP/M the original source code is now available.

    Any such old machine would be running linux in my house, where the possibilities to learn something are endless.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 07:00
    My primary OS is Haiku OS. With a stripped down linux as a secondary.

    My HW is a core i7 with one gig ram.

    I refuse to pay for Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, or 7. Windows 98SE (With some patches) seems to be much more stable than any of the newer ones. I earn my income repairing computers. Almost always the problem is with a newer version of windows.
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,245
    edited 2011-03-13 07:02
    David - do you have any other hardware you could use. Perhaps an old box you could install XP on or Linux? I'm a Mac guy and have an old XP machine out in the garage for Prop programming. Brad's Spin Tool is really good on MacOS - and as Heater mentioned it also runs on Windows and Linux.

    Paul

    EDIT:
    I was typing while you posted - I understand now.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 07:14
    Sorry I did down grade a couple months ago (do to a hardware failure now running a P4 (prescot) 3.0GHz with 1Gig Ram and NVidia 5400.

    Will BST compile and run correctly on Haiku OS? What does it use for a GUI toolkit? How much work would it be to replace the toolkit calls with native Haiku OS App Server calls?
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 07:36
    Heater. wrote: »
    Humanoido,

    I can understand the notalgia thing, I'm still into CP/M after all. At least for CP/M the original source code is now available.

    When did Caldera release the source for CP/M? Under what license? Perhaps we could now create a modern operating system that is small enough to be usable, from MP/M or CCP/M??
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2011-03-13 07:48
    I don't recall the history of the CP/M source release just now but it is all "above board".

    Not sure you would want to use it as a base for a new OS though it's written in 8080 assembler.

    We had fun getting it to run on the prop under emulation though.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 07:59
    Wow! If this includes the CP/M 68K code, that is in C. One could use that to create a Propeller Native CP/M (I think it could be made small enough), Or a modern OS. I do remember the code being partially available under a restrictive educational license for a time, but that license was way to restrictive. I must presume that the current license is actually open?
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 08:59
    Thank you I got BST running on Linux. It uses GTK2 Yuck. I will try to get it to use native X calls and then work on porting it to Haiku OS.

    It is always better to use the necessary #ifdef statements to make system native calls than to use a GUI Toolkit. Why blow a chance at good optimization by adding an unneeded call layer to your code.
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 09:07
    Thank you so much. I like not having to install another OS. It looks as if BST will work just fine.
  • PerryPerry Posts: 253
    edited 2011-03-13 13:47
    David welcome to the propeller forum.

    I like small environments as well. I have been using Puppy Linux for a while , LiveCD runs on just about anything. but am now using Tiny Core because it supports the drives on an old "Stinkpad"

    It's hard convincing people the OS does not really matter, it's your data /U] that's important. Normally my work is on a SD card. You can put "BSTt" and "PBAS" on that and have a development environment that works on just about any random x86 hardware.

    Perry
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-03-13 14:04
    I still have a Win98 (not even SE: no USB support) machine that's on all the time and shared with my main WinXP box via a KVM switch. Why? Because my CAM program requires a parallel port dongle, and I have two other parallel port accessories (scanner and device programmer) that will not work with WinXP. The funny thing is that that old Pentium II under Win98 is nearly as snappy as the 3.2 GHz chip under WinXP.

    I also use an ancient MSDOS machine to run my CNC mill. Hey, it works. What can I say?

    Perry,

    "Stinkpad?" Oh, my. 'Must Lenovo, not IBM. I've got an old T23 (WinXP) and an even older 600 (Linux) and love them both. Why? Because they use "the stick" for screen navigation and not some lousy trackpad.

    -Phil
  • davidsaundersdavidsaunders Posts: 1,559
    edited 2011-03-13 14:13
    On that MS-DOS Note: Would any one be interested in a DOS based Propeller development system? That is something I can do. I have a box that runs FreeDOS + Arachne (web browser) + cc386 (C Compiler) + FreeGEM + much more. It is a Prescott core 3.0GHz (like my main sys) with 1GB Ram. I use this system quite a bit as there is a lot that is to difficult to do under other systems (as there is to much between you and the HW with most other systems).

    Given enough info I could even interface the development environment to the Prop Plug By way of USB.
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