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Lithium supply crisis by 2015?

Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
edited 2011-03-12 19:56 in General Discussion
Why All Cell Phone Batteries Could Disappear By 2015

The More We Use It the More We Lose It

Lithium is difficult to find and excavate. Tiny amounts are found in compounds everywhere, including in the bodies of mammals, but in extremely small quantities. The best way to mine it is to dig under the beds of dried lakes with high saline contents, where volcanoes in wet climates leached groundwater into a landlocked basin tens of thousands of years ago — not exactly in your backyard. Very few places on the globe match these exacting conditions, and some of them are politically problematic.

Crisis by 2015?
A shortage could affect the price of laptop computers, as well as cause a slowdown in the production of hybrid electric cars that could cripple new initiatives in Detroit, and undermine President Obama’s plans to reduce our dependence on oil. The car manufacturer Mitsubishi has predicted a worldwide supply crisis by 2015 if new reserves are not discovered. Obama has called for at least 1 million of these plug-in vehicles on the roads by then. Conventional nickel-cadmium batteries do not allow them to store as much energy or drive as far as lithium, which has been a major impediment to the future success of electric cars. New advances in nanotechnology may allow more lithium than ever before to be stored inside hybrid car batteries, as much as 10 times the previous levels, putting even more pressure on global supplies.

Comments

  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2011-03-03 11:51
    Maybe recycling all the old laptop and cell phone batteries could help.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2011-03-03 12:19
    Time to start boxing up my old laptop batteries... In a short time they will be worth a fortune (recycle weight by the pound.)

    :)

    OBC
  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2011-03-03 12:26
    Time to start boxing up my old laptop batteries... In a short time they will be worth a fortune (recycle weight by the pound.)

    :)

    OBC

    Save them for ebay....
  • icepuckicepuck Posts: 466
    edited 2011-03-03 13:41
    Lithium batteries will be an out dated technology by then.
    -dan
  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2011-03-03 14:18
    icepuck wrote: »
    Lithium batteries will be an out dated technology by then.
    -dan

    Yep, instead of Litium we'll probably be using dilithium (crystals) to power everything...... ;-)

    Robert
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2011-03-03 14:49
    2015 will be here quickly!

    NiZn Nickel Zinc batteries or Zinc Bromide energy storage systems for much bigger applications look interesting...
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-03-03 17:11
    On a positive note; Yellowstone Nat. Park is due to erupt any time now.This super volcano will bring tons of lithium to the surface thats been trapped deep beneath the Earth's crust.Along with a lot of other precious elements.And a whole lot of not so precious elements.
    '
    Mark this post as....Problem solved.
  • Bill ChennaultBill Chennault Posts: 1,198
    edited 2011-03-03 17:40
    $WMc% and All--

    If the "Yellowstone" volcano erupts, it will solve ALL problems in North America. But, you knew that. So, it's not a surprise. Therefore, you understand it. Understanding brings acceptance. Acceptance precedes expectation. Expectation generates excitement!

    Gee. I dunno about this stream of consciousness stuff. Pretty soon you could talk yourself into hammering your toe, or something. :(

    Anyway, Yellowstone, which has recently shown some MINOR activity by quietly raising the surface of planet Earth several hundred (several thousand?) square miles by several inches, is a deal breaker for civilization, for sure.

    --Bill
    ps I live just outside the 500 mile radius immediate, total kill zone. I suppose ash might be a problem. Or lava flows. I'd hate that. Especially if the earthquakes gave a tilt to Kansas.
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-03-03 19:40
    I live in Fl. so I'm out of the instint total kill zone.
    '
    But the shock wave will hit me about 1 1/2 days later. This will level every thing that I have above ground.
    '
    But Hay; We'll be the next 100year supplier of lithium.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2011-03-04 09:30
    The eruption of Yellowstone National Park would be a disaster not only for North America but for the entire world - the resulting stratospheric injection of ash would plunge the planet into a deep freeze for years or perhaps decades afterwards.

    But hope is on the way: in light of the potential catastrophe, the new US Congress is planning on cutting Yellowstone's budget to zero and laying off all the park rangers. So our worries are over.
  • sam_sam_samsam_sam_sam Posts: 2,286
    edited 2011-03-04 10:29
    If want a new laptop computer I need to buy one NOW wow .....I would have not thought that this would happen now......real sad........ real sad

    But hope is on the way: in light of the potential catastrophe, the new US Congress is planning on cutting Yellowstone's budget to zero and laying off all the park rangers. So our worries are over. ................> This is even sader that we have come to this

    I will have to save ALL Time to start boxing up my old laptop batteries... In a short time they will be worth a fortune (recycle weight by the pound.) and wait until I get the most money for them

    This was in automobilemag.com/ in there green/news/0811_powergenix_nizn_new_battery_technology .....in part it said this "in spite of this success, don't look for PowerGenix brand batteries to be on sale at your local Radio Shack or under the hood of a Prius anytime soon. Although the company already manufactures its NiZn cells for use in power tools, electric scooters, electric bikes, and for companies selling rechargeable AA and AAA batteries,"

    Now to me this part is real Smile........>

    " PowerGenix has opted not to create a brand name for its batteries (the company doesn't want to take on the big-spending bunny).

    This part is ok.........>

    " Regarding automotive applications, PowerGenix plans to license its technology."
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2011-03-04 11:37
    As long as the people I know continue to ingest their daily prescribed dose of lithium, the universe will remain in balance.
  • edited 2011-03-12 19:12
    Holly posted about these:

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?128976-A-Battery-Ultracapacitor-Hybrid

    Maybe it will solve the crisis.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-03-12 19:56
    'Late to the thread ... but Erco, you must know some really "interesting" people! :)

    -Phil
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