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Could Startrek ever accept the Propeller?

LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
edited 2010-11-22 09:46 in General Discussion
I am taking a bit of a risk here and wondering if there would ever be a place for the Propeller on the Starship Enterprise? Maybe a recreational module?

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  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2010-11-11 03:52
    I think it would be that special module that allows the engines to go over 100%.

    Or maybe the handheld medical scanner? With modern displays we could probably put a fairly convincing biomedical scan picture on a display with a propeller.
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-11-11 04:13
    Why of course. In fact, with its multitronic abilities, a Propeller could be used to correlate all computer activity onboard the starship, and to replace the entire crew. Then the Enterprise could explore the galaxy and the men and women stay safely at home.

    Of course it'd need to be programmed with someone's engrams, say, Ken Gracey's, and then tested, say with a series of research and contact problems, navigational manuevers, and war game problems. What could go wrong?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYb-VU7MEA
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-11-11 04:15
    One could make a medical scanner that says "Go to work", "Call in sick", "Call in too well for work", and so on.

    But seriously, Startrek is chock full of what is called 'speculative technology' - that is science fiction technology which might soon become reality. Certainly there seems to be some kind of tacit partnership between Parallaxians and Treckers when it comes to 'speculative technology' advancing into realized technology.

    In other words, 'Welcome Trekkers, feel free to participate!'

    Ummmm.. I'd rather not replace the entire crew. ATMs have nearly done that already here in Taiwan.

    Here is something.....
    http://www.jamesgames.com/content/steampunk-star-trek-propeller-powered-enterprise-takes-flight

    Well... not exactly what I'd hoped for.
  • VernVern Posts: 75
    edited 2010-11-11 06:19
    It could be used to monitor and display phaser activity!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-11-11 06:27
    Many years ago, Byte magazine had an article in which the computing power of the various systems on the Enterprise was estimated.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-11-11 07:11
    How about a module that all the crew members wear, and when a person dies, the module pronounces "He's dead, Jim."
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2010-11-11 08:45
    Star Trek?

    Isn't that the show where they still haven't invented fuses?

    Given how often computer consoles blow up in that show, who would want to expose a Propeller to that?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-11-11 14:17
    Interesting to speculate about acceptance of modern technology in the "past". Reminds me of a cute old sci-fi story "Newton's Gift", described here:

    Interesting that guest Neil deGrasse Tyson imagined taking a modern graphing calculator back in time to Isaac Newton. That's pretty much the scenario in the 1979 short story "Newton's Gift," by Paul Nahin. A mathematician with access to a time machine wonders what Newton could achieved if he'd been spared the drudgery of doing all his calculations on paper, so he gives Sir Isaac an advanced calculator. Only one small problem--Newton sees the glowing red LEDs of the display and decides that the machine must be an instrument of the devil, a suspicion that is confirmed when the hapless mathematician punches in a complex problem whose solution is, of course, "666." Newton, horrified, gives up science and devotes himself to years of theological study--the very "waste" of Newton's talent that the mathematician had decried before starting his journey.
  • edited 2010-11-12 09:25
    I am taking a bit of a risk here and wondering if there would ever be a place for the Propeller on the Starship Enterprise? Maybe a recreational module?

    Years ago, someone at college told me there were 40,000 manuscripts of unpublished Star-Trek episodes on the web that people like you write in hopes of having their manuscript accepted by the creators / producers.

    Write it into the script and hopefully someday you will be noticed. Or write a possible scene here in hopes of being noticed :)
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-11-12 10:05
    I am really more into what the Propeller can bring into reality that Startrek may have inspired. Or making props for a future Startrek episode.

    Doesn't anyone want to design and build a Klingon toilet paper dispenser? It might be a big seller at Startrek conventions.

    RE:Newton
    The amazing thing about Newton is that we are still refining and making new applications for his relatively old mathematic. GPS for instance relies on Calculus. And to think that his ideas all suddenly came together in one year. The future may suddenly open a new path to us at any time. Someone said that 'true immortality' can only be achieved by mathematicians.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-11-12 11:21
    Isn't Klingon toilet paper a bit rough?
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-11-12 12:42
    Heater. wrote: »
    Isn't Klingon toilet paper a bit rough?
    Is that why they are so grumpy?
  • zoopydogsitzoopydogsit Posts: 174
    edited 2010-11-12 12:58
    When I first look at the Propeller I thought, wow! so that's what they'd use in Mr Spock's Tricorder. Remember the hand held device that sampled various sensors simultaneously?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricorder

    So you could build yourself a very crude prototype (maybe your the one that invents it? ;-) one from a number of Parallax products;
    - Air temperature
    - Humidity
    - Air pressure
    - Light (Photo-transistor)
    - Light at various frequency ranges using junction collapse of different colored LEDS (UV, Blue, Green, Yellow, Red, IR). Seach the old forums for Light Meter.
    - Gas Sensors (O2, CO2, Alcohol) use the output of the sensor not the limit setting.
    - Magnetic coil demo

    You can get Geiger tubes from other organizations (Sparkfun sell a kit), and digital compas.

    You could be a bit creative on other things like;
    - Sound level
    - Air movement (using Ultrasonics)

    You could also integrate a GPS and SD card.

    Then output to an OLED display.

    Use a Lipo battery for weight and size.

    The problem would be callibration, presentation and interpretation of the data points.

    Also looking at the number of items you may want to use a mythical Prop I-B which has the additional 32 pins enabled. Or tie several props together giving you the ability to have each sensor monitored by it's own cog thus providing contineous data.

    Oh, and don't forget a little speaker so that it makes that whirring sound while it samples ;-)
  • xanatosxanatos Posts: 1,120
    edited 2010-11-19 07:03
    Seems a prop could control all the complex EMF phase relationships required for warp drive! :-). Now all we need is a little antimatter...
  • Martin HodgeMartin Hodge Posts: 1,246
    edited 2010-11-19 11:00
    if ($pedantic['ahole'] == TRUE) {
      echo "If a Propeller were to be found on the Enterprise it would be under a
            small glass dome in Geordie's quarters alongside a myriad of other ancient 
            technology.  Not to knock the Propeller, but we're talking about the 24th 
            century.";
    }
    
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-11-19 11:05
    Talking of being pedantic, I believe you meant to say "Scotty's quarters":)
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2010-11-19 11:17
    Heater. wrote: »
    Talking of being pedantic, I believe you meant to say "Scotty's quarters":)
    Nah, he would have a Transputer or multiple Z80 boards in a euro-din 5U rack mount chassis.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-11-19 11:20
    Yep, Scotty would be running CP/M on a TRS-80 machine simulated on the Holodeck
  • Martin HodgeMartin Hodge Posts: 1,246
    edited 2010-11-19 13:06
    The only thing in Scotty's quarters would have been 150 year old bottles of whiskey and a spanner. ;)
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2010-11-19 19:40
    The biggest problem with speculating on the future is that we are linear thinkers. We tend to over estimate advances in the next 20 years and grossly under estimate those in the next 100 years. Read some old Isaac Asimov stories to see what I mean.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-11-19 20:38
    kwinn wrote: »
    The biggest problem with speculating on the future is that we are linear thinkers....

    For speak yourself!
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-11-20 06:27
    George Orwell's '1984' is an odd artifact of our predictive abilities. It totally missed the use of personal computers while it was way ahead of its time about flat screen TV and ubiquitous video cameras.

    Meanwhile neither Issac Azimov nor anyone else has offered a vision of a future where computers robots become an economic liability due to the attrition of human job tasks - and yet we may be near to that now.

    My main interest in Startrek is that it was basically optimistic and tolerant of others. I am a bit frustrated by the fact that technology seems to seek to first innovate in terms of weapons; only later to evolve a 'peace dividend'.

    So it is just true that we must always invent swords, and only then beat them into plowshares? Or has humanity have begun to evolve beyond that innovative modality?
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-11-21 03:50
    Of course the Prop would fit in with Star Trek. COM badge, Alien Translator, Communicator, Transporter Nodule, Dilythium Crystal Regenerator, Scanner, Long range sensors, photonic unit, holographic system, navigational console, thruster flow regulator, space suit pressure control, transport bean enhancer, tachyon beam generator, etc.

    and Tom Swift as well, Giant Robot, Megascopic Space Prober, Outpost in Space, etc.

    Anyone care to speculate for Outer Limits???
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-11-21 04:01
    Chuckz wrote: »
    Years ago, someone at college told me there were 40,000 manuscripts of unpublished Star-Trek episodes on the web that people like you write in hopes of having their manuscript accepted by the creators / producers. Write it into the script and hopefully someday you will be noticed. Or write a possible scene here in hopes of being noticed :)
    Years ago I wrote some script and sent it to Gene Roddenberry and he turned it into several episodes for TNG. I was thinking about moving to California and writing full time.

    Aside from Star Trek 11 movie, is there any new Star Trek, or talk of a new TV series?
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-11-22 00:41
    Startrek scripts? Are they still in demand? I have a distant cousin that got a divorce, moved to Hollywood and started writing scripts 'on bid' for weekly shows. The first one that got accepted also became the most watched show on TV at that time - "Who shot J.R".

    Some people are simply lucky. Writing of any sort is still one of the best ways to strike it rich if you really can reach a wide audience.

    Back to the thread....
    What do you see the next wave of extremely useful future technology to be?

    The Propeller has really changed the tiny microcontroller from being an 'embedded system' to being a whole system on a chip - complete i/o as well as task related computation.

    The Propeller2 seems to have even more awesome ambitions with better access to fat RAM and lots of I/O inclusive of ADC and DAC.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-11-22 09:42
    We will need to overcome the fact that it takes so much energy to produce a tiny amount of antimatter and that it would take eons to collect enough to run a star ship. I see the government has contract requests for antimatter containment. Anyone working on it?
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-11-22 09:46
    The next wave of extremely useful technology will include chips with increasingly powerful multiprocessors. I also expect to see amateurs begin launching amateurs in space, not just empty balloons. Expect to see more humanoid robots mixing in with society, like Data from Star Trek TNG.
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