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The Usage of Microcontrollers in Model Rocketry

Martin_HMartin_H Posts: 4,051
edited 2010-10-26 16:54 in General Discussion
My son's Cub-scouts pack has been building and launching model rockets. I recently went to a vendor's websites to buy supplies as they are getting hard to find locally. One thing that struck me is that this is not the same hobby as when I was a kid. There are some seriously big models and impressive electronic payloads and cameras.

Here's an amazing example:

http://www.apogeerockets.com/Altus_Metrum_GPS.asp

That thing is probably better than the computer they used on the Saturn V! Anyway I thought people might be curious about a non-robotics use of a micocontroller.

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  • RavenkallenRavenkallen Posts: 1,057
    edited 2010-10-23 21:31
    Another big non-robotic trend i am seeing is the use of Microcontrollers in balloons. The hobbyist high altitude balloon industry is booming...
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-10-24 08:35
    The use of balloons can be great for photography. A GPS can help you retrive your camera and hardware.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-10-24 09:25
    There have been some VERY impressive free-release balloon camera photos & videos lately. As impressive as rockets are, balloons are a cheaper and less dangerous option, and can clearly go to the edge of space. On a smaller and much cheaper scale (no GPS) a tethered balloon on a low-wind day can still lift a camera to interesting heights, then be pulled down to use again several times. One of those keychain video cams could be lifted by one or two balloons. Of course the string weight adds up, so the higher you go the more extra lift and balloons you need.
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-10-24 11:23
    I fly high power rockets, and I've been working with onboard electronics of my own design for the past couple of years. I've been trying hard to avoid putting the computer into the rocket, in favor of simpler setups in which some kind of sensor sends data directly to an XBee radio and all of the manipulation of the data is done by computers on the ground. But I'm pretty certain that next year's flying season will see me flying Propeller-based computers in the rocket.

    Attached are a couple of new photos of one of my XBee boards mounted in a 12" diameter scale model of a Navy Jayhawk missile, along with a photo to show you the rocket's size. This rocket was built by a guy in my club, a former Air Force test pilot, and will fly next weekend at Midwest Power 8, the big annual launch in northwestern Illinois. Here's a "build thread" for the project:

    http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=9044

    Most of us flying high power rockets use some kind of electronic altimeter, usually one much simpler and less expensive than the Altus unit. The use of onboard GPS with a transmitter is becoming reasonably commonplace as well. I've flown one of my own design a couple of times, with moderate success (of course installing an expensive GPS transmitter is the best way to insure that your rocket lands within sight of the launch pad).

    Here is a nice thread on these very forums about a school team out in New Hampshire that is flying a fairly elaborate Basic STAMP-based datalogger to almost two miles out in the Black Rock desert:

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?t=122688
  • Martin_HMartin_H Posts: 4,051
    edited 2010-10-24 18:49
    Erco, the balloon videos on the edge of space are pretty fantastic too. They make you wonder how high they could go if you had a material that could just keep stretching without bursting.

    sylvie369, that was one impressive build thread.
  • Jessica UelmenJessica Uelmen Posts: 490
    edited 2010-10-25 12:42
    Coincidentally, I actually used the Propeller in a rocket for my Senior Design project at the University of Central Florida. It wasn't anything terribly fancy, but we transmitted real-time data from the rocket to the ground relaying the x & y rotational acceleration values, altitude and pitch & roll angles. Due to time constraints (8 weeks to work on it while taking 4 other classes and working 30+ hours a week) and me being the only one to design, assemble and program the project, it wasn't as clean as I hoped it would be, but it was still ridiculously fun to work on!

    And I don't think it's nearly as neat as Sylvie's project - we just used a regular model rocket. ;]

    But if anyone is interested, my partner and I maintained a blog during the design process to keep local schools updated on our progress. You can see it here: http://seniordesign-rocketgals.blogspot.com.

    Cheers,
    Jessica
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-10-25 19:43
    Jessica, you might be interested to know that my main high power rocket was named the "Allons-y".

    Unfortunately, that rocket was lost in a forest about 3 years ago, but it flew about 35 times first.
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  • mparkmpark Posts: 1,305
    edited 2010-10-26 02:26
    Jessica, I think your project sounds just as interesting as Sylvie's!

    In your blog you wrote
    Due to minimal cogs we are only able to successfully transmit two parameters per launch. Rotational acceleration uses 2 cogs, which calls for its own launch.

    What did you mean by "minimal cogs"? And why did rotation acceleration use two cogs? Also, how were you transmitting the data? (I can't see the schematic in google docs.)
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-10-26 04:58
    mpark wrote: »
    Jessica, I think your project sounds just as interesting as Sylvie's!

    I think it sounds considerably more impressive, to be honest.

    Big rockets are cool, but electronics take more knowledge and skill (and besides, remember, I didn't build the Jayhawk - it's just one of my little transmitters along for the ride). What Jessica described would be easily the most sophisticated thing to fly at any launch I attend, and I'd _love_ to see more projects like that.
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2010-10-26 09:15
    Ron Czapala posted this link in a recent 'sandbox' thread he started. Check it out.

    http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/73/father-and-son-film-outer-space-do-it-yourself-style.html
  • Jessica UelmenJessica Uelmen Posts: 490
    edited 2010-10-26 09:35
    @mpark - Well 'minimal cogs' definitely wasn't the issue - I guess that's what my aerospace partner understood to be the problem though and that's what she posted. I should have fixed that.

    The issue was that I was using an IMU object from the Object Exchange which was definitely more cog-hungry than needed. But, I was running out of time and had to sacrifice code efficiency to get the rocket off the ground. We had plenty of motors for launch, and figured why wouldn't we want to launch the rocket a couple more times than necessary?

    For communication we used the HAC-UM96 Long Range Radios available from Sparkfun which boasted a range of 500m - definitely necessary when wanting to transmit from a rocket. It took awhile to get going with them since the documentation wasn't very clear that Sleep was always enabled, so my project advisor and I spent many hours with an oscilloscope scratching our heads wondering why the devices weren't communicating when just sitting next to one another on the table! But once we jumped that hurdle the devices worked perfectly and we had no troubles receiving data during the entire launch procedure.

    @sylvie - "Allons-y!" is a perfect rocket name! I'm a complete Doctor Who fangirl. One of these days I'd really like to finish cleaning up my code and maybe getting into some hobby rocket launches. And I'd like to add GPS so we could more easily locate the rocket. We lost a lot of hours searching through palmettos to retrieve it.

    I've been building rockets since I was in elementary school and loved it - it was a class we could take over the summer in "College for Kids" and then I would get another one from Santa! Growing up in Florida allowed us to launch pretty much any day during the year, except when the hurricanes hit.
  • KaosKiddKaosKidd Posts: 296
    edited 2010-10-26 11:35
    Side Note:
    A friend of mine asked me to do something similar...with a kite. He's still working on the design, constantly asking me for input about electronics and surface controls. In all, I think it's going to be a cool project once I get to start on my side of things.

    Fred
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-10-26 16:54
    @sylvie - "Allons-y!" is a perfect rocket name! I'm a complete Doctor Who fangirl.

    Uh-oh. "Allons-y" has something to do with Doctor Who? I had no idea.

    I used it because I'm a francophone - it was the title of one of my textbooks.
    Growing up in Florida allowed us to launch pretty much any day during the year, except when the hurricanes hit.

    Surely you don't think that we Wisconsinites stop flying in winter, do you?
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