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Is the IRF3708 static sensitive?

hinvhinv Posts: 1,255
edited 2010-10-17 01:05 in General Discussion
I ordered some IRF3708 MOSFETs from a vendor on ebay and I got them today packed in white open cell foam. Are these things static sensitive? If so, I should probably just send them back.

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  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2010-10-14 10:36
    Any MOSFET is sensitive to static to some extent. Almost any MOSFET has some kind of protection diodes built into the device to shunt excess voltage from the gate into the substrate, but there are limits to how protective this is.

    As a general principle, it's not a good idea to ship any kind of MOS device in contact with ordinary plastic foam or any other kind of static-prone insulating material. Sometimes the foam has material incorporated into it or sprayed onto it that reduces static charges. It all depends on the humidity, on the movement of the box and the materials it's made from, etc.

    The problem is that you don't know whether there's been any damage. The IRF3708 may work just fine, forever. It may not work at all and you don't know whether it's your fault from the circuit you're using it in or whether it was defective to begin with or was damaged in some other shipment or the shipment to you. It may also work for a while, then fail. That makes it even harder to assign blame and, when it fails, it may take out other parts.

    Lots of people ship cheap stuff in foam. Static dissipating foam or plastic film or bags are relatively expensive. A lot of electronics parts are pretty robust and the static problem tends to be much less in the spring, summer, and fall when the humidity is relatively high. Everything has some risk. You have to decide how much you're willing to pay to mitigate it.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-10-14 11:43
    I suspect everyone would be appalled by the retail handling that MOSfets and other static sensitive devices get here in Taiwan. But the beauty of Taiwan is that the humidity is so high that the precautions don't seem to apply. I even keep ICs on a block of styrofoam.

    Sure, you can send back the MOSfets for improper packing. But at your own shipping cost, right? And then you need to persuade the vendor to ship another order.

    If you buy in the quantities that I do, they may just decide to cut their losses and not fill more orders.

    Over the years, I have had very little trouble with static sensitive material regardless of rough handling. But I am not shut in a building with nylon carpets and 10% humidity.

    Optimally, you should just test the items if it is a small order and return them if they show real defects. Of course if you are big buyer, you have clout and you can just tell the supplier that you cannot afford to have a whole production run ruined by a bad batch of components.

    Parallax does a beautiful job of anti-static protection, but nobody else I deal with seems to even try.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2010-10-14 12:11
    Loopy I have had the exact oppisite reeaction . In So Cal I had NO ESD issues I can think of . yet here In humid Iowa I have had to invest in a heal GND strap for my shoes so I dont get zapped by every dorknob on campus here..
  • hinvhinv Posts: 1,255
    edited 2010-10-15 16:13
    I've got a car light bulb for a load and a 12V battery for a supply. To test these out can I just connect the light bulb to the positive, and to drain of mosfet, and connect source of mosfet to ground and propeller pin to ground?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-10-15 16:51
    I think you meant "connect the Propeller pin to the gate," right? Also, make sure that Vss and the 12V return are connected together at the MOSFET's source pin and only there. You may also want to connect a 10K resistor between the gate and source to eliminate spurious turn-ons at startup.

    -Phil
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2010-10-17 01:05
    Just to reduce the hazard to the MOSfet while testing, I use a current limiting resistor to trigger the gate - something between 1K and 5K seems fine. Most of the RSon figures are at about 10VDC, so a 9 volt battery set up is optimal.

    If you want to use a light to indicate functionality, an LED will work fine on 9 Volts if you just limit the current appropriately with Ohms law. (LEDs will even work on 220VAC with the proper current limiting resistor, but it will conduct 50% of the time.) Personally, I'd just test for continuity and not try for a full power stress test. If static has damaged them, the gate is likely no good. And 12V gel cell should be fused to limit the current surge in testing. Silly things happen with tangled wires, miscalculations, unseen shorts - so a fuse is wise. Even better is a bench power supply that can limit current and shut down much faster than a fuse.

    I suspect flooring and A/C or central heating create most of the static electricity problems. I just can't imagine having a problem if you are sitting in 60% humidity on a tile floor. I suppose a fabric chair might be creating problems as well.

    In any event, any ground strap should have a 1 meg resistor in line as one can also accidentally electrocute themselves if they are attached to a direct ground around an electronics work bench.

    Be warned.... Since most MOSfets have an internal flyback diode, if you accidentally apply reverse of the correct polarity to the Drain and Source, the device will get very hot, may burn up, and fail.
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