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HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
edited 2010-09-14 09:06 in General Discussion
Looks like I will get to travel to Bangalore to visit some
defense plants and sit in on some group discussions.
It's all to do with some joint projects that are being considered.

It has been suggested that I act quickly to start my enlistment
in The IDF. It seems they think it would be nice if I could wear
a uniform while in India. I fall under some special rules and would
actually spend almost all my time at work doing my job because
I'm designated as a critical defense worker.

Anyone here ever been to Bangalore?

If I go I have to leave my cell at home and take an ugly one
they issue you. It's big and you have to go outside to use it.
It's called a Secure Iridium and has a big antenna you pull out.
No camera in it but it at least has texting.
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-12 07:34
    An Israeli friend of mine who now campaigns on behalf of the Palestinians avoided military service by convincing the authorities that he was mentally ill. He had to spend a lot of time reading psychiatric textbooks. :)
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-09-12 07:55
    good luck holly, can't get that advert tune out of my head now, the one where the salesman gets sent to india to investigate increased washing machine sales.....mina.mina.mina....
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 08:07
    Leon

    A guy at work suggested that if I married him I would not
    then have to serve in the IDF.....he was serious.
    (and 40'ish and balding and a bit fat..... just ewww)
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2010-09-12 08:14
    Holly, how long will you be there?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-12 08:20
    I didn't realise that you are exempt if you are married, but I suppose it makes sense. It doesn't apply to men, presumably. Where I worked many years ago we had a couple of Israelis, including our secretary. She'd been an officer in the IDF. When the Six-Day War started they thought of going home to reenlist but it was all over very quickly, of course.

    I can put you in touch with my friend Arie if you want to get out of it without marrying someone. :)

    If I'd been born a year earlier I'd have had to do my British National Service.
  • RavenkallenRavenkallen Posts: 1,057
    edited 2010-09-12 08:21
    That's cool Holly...Tell us how it goes..
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 08:29
    Lardom
    We will be there a little less than a week.
    We will fly down in a Gulfstream G5, a kind
    of miniature airliner.
  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2010-09-12 08:32
    Here is a forum many of the local engineers there frequent. You can practice pronouncing the names! :lol:
    http://www.crazyengineers.com/forum/forum.php
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-09-12 08:36

    A guy at work suggested that if I married him I would not
    then have to serve in the IDF.....he was serious.
    (and 40'ish and balding and a bit fat..... just ewww)
    Oh well that's me out of the running then :(
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 08:38
    Leon

    The discussions will be mostly about proposed
    modifications to some anti-tank missile systems.
    BTW the main British tank is the hardest to destroy
    using a missile, some sort of special secret armor.
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 08:50
    Thanks bill190 that's a good site.
    Maybe I can find a dinner date who
    can speak English. There was a poster
    over there named CE- Maniac, his avator
    makes you tired to look at it LoL
    DancingPill.gif
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-12 08:56
    Leon

    The discussions will be mostly about proposed
    modifications to some anti-tank missile systems.
    BTW the main British tank is the hardest to destroy
    using a missile, some sort of special secret armor.

    I think that's Chobham armour:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour

    When I worked for Racal I spent a day with the Royal Tank Regiment, it was very interesting. I've never understood why people want to serve in tanks, they must be mad.

    The Russians have always been keen on reactive armour which explodes when it's hit. I see that reactive armour kits are available for the Challenger 2.
  • RavenkallenRavenkallen Posts: 1,057
    edited 2010-09-12 09:00
    British armor? I would not want to see a M1 Abrams tank coming my way. Apparently, they have a top speed of like 42 miles an hour. That is FAST for a tank.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-12 09:14
    Many years ago I worked in the same office as someone who did his National Service in the Royal Tank Corps, as it was called then, in W. Germany. Their adjutant used to leave his car in one of the tank hangars. He wasn't supposed to, and it made it awkward maneuvering the tanks. They got back very late one night from an exercise and just drove over the car, flattening it. The officer couldn't charge them with anything, of course, they just said they hadn't seen it.
  • RavenkallenRavenkallen Posts: 1,057
    edited 2010-09-12 09:19
    @ Leon... That is hilarious!!! I guess that will teach him to park his car in the tank hanger.
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 10:18
    oops...

    2pzenlz.jpg
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-12 10:44
    I hope that no one was in the Jeep. :)
  • Buck RogersBuck Rogers Posts: 2,190
    edited 2010-09-12 10:58
    Leon wrote: »
    I hope that no one was in the Jeep. :)

    Hello!
    I certainly hope so! :jumpin:

    Incidentally the average M1A1 (or M1A2) weighs in about the same as most members of the pachyderm community, elephants. And can zoom past at the same rates. The advantage of the M1 family is that they can fire on the run, and have greater range then anything out there. During the First Gulf War, there was a decidedly crude game going on, the tankers would bet the helicopter gunship pilots who in turn would bet the Thunderbolt II pilots to see who'd "tag" more of the other guy's armor.

    However the tanks would always take a strong lead at first.

    Yes, Holly do what you need to do best, and enjoy yourself as much as possible.
  • Martin_HMartin_H Posts: 4,051
    edited 2010-09-12 17:13
    Holly, I went Bangalore back in 2006 for two weeks on business.

    The Good

    India is amazingly different. Cows walk in the middle of the road and no one blinks.

    People are much more religious than in the West, so you'll see things like a giant Shiva statue in the middle of a mall ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sivakempfort.jpg ). There are a lot of temples which are really strange to Western aesthetics but interesting to see anyway.

    There's a zoo outside of Bangalore which has elephant rides for 50 rupees (about a dollar). I never road one before, so that was fun.

    If you get even a bit off the beaten path things are really cheap. I had some of the best Indian food I've ever eaten for only a few dollars. I never would have thought of having curried potatoes for breakfast, but it isn't half bad.

    I had the same driver for two weeks who helped me out of a few jams. So I tipped him a twenty at the end of my stay which was a huge amount of money to him. I told him it would count more for him than for me. He was a big help to me.

    Go to Mysore and tour the palace if you get a chance.


    The Bad

    The traffic is insane and the one rule is that there are no rules! Do not try to drive yourself! I repeat, do not try to drive yourself. Most hotels can hook you up with a driver which is like a taxi only you hire them by the day.

    The auto rickshaws do the job of what cabs do here. They look neat but don't have the kind of safety gear a car has. Given the nasty traffic I avoided them.

    All prices are negotiable and at some stores the prices are marked up 100% over what you will pay. The haggling is a pain.

    Caveat emptor! Ethics among merchants can be low. For example you'll buy a sandalwood item and it might be the real, or it might be a look alike wood sprayed with sandalwood sent. Jewelry is likewise a total risk to buy even though some of it looks really good.


    The Ugly

    There's a lot of poverty and people begging who look like they will be dead the next day.

    I'm a 6' 3" white guy who stood out like a sore thumb. I drew attention where ever I went, some of it harmless, others were people wanting to "help" and then hassle you for a tip. My driver helped me avoid problems.

    There can be some weird sectarian tensions which is scary to read about, although the risk to any one person is low.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-09-12 17:18
    Martin_H wrote: »
    ....

    The traffic is insane...
    The auto rickshaws do the job of what cabs do here. They look neat but don't have the kind of safety gear a car has. ....

    Holly,

    considering how you love bargains, don't get cheap with your safety there. Take a proper cab (a car) when you need to go places. And don't wander alone down side alleys, etc.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-09-12 19:26
    Martin_H wrote:
    India is amazingly different. Cows walk in the middle of the road and no one blinks.
    No different from Baja (even in San Jose del Cabo) -- exept that there, las vacas eventually get eaten. :-)

    -Phil
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2010-09-12 21:59
    British armor? I would not want to see a M1 Abrams tank coming my way. Apparently, they have a top speed of like 42 miles an hour. That is FAST for a tank.

    My information is a few years old but, the M1 was governed at 55 mph and had a top speed that is much, much higher.

    Rich H
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2010-09-12 22:19
    I think it's the belief in reincarnation that allows such crazy driving in India.

    I remember a harrowing night time bus ride down from Mt Abu many years ago. Our driver was passing everything, including other buses, driving into oncoming traffic, playing chicken and forcing them to the side of the road. He was more than doubling the posted speed limit down the narrow and twisty road.

    People were being tossed from one side of their seats to the other. When I ventured up the isle to the front of the bus the people would reach out to keep me from falling over. Up in front the driver's area was separate, something like a little lounge area with a small sofa type seat. I planted myself firmly and videotaped in disbelief while Indian music was blasting from the speakers.

    Ever see one of those movies where people run out of the way of a fast moving vehicle - looking over their shoulder? That is literally what happened when we passed through a small village. I thought to myself, this is why we hear of so many bus crashes in India.

    The entire time not one passenger seemed to notice, or care. Seeing the Jane temple was worth it though.

    Rich H
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-09-12 23:37
    They take security very seriously around here.
    There is just no way that we would be allowed to
    drive ourselves about. I think our hosts will provide
    transportation and probably some sort of security
    personnel for us. From what I'm hearing it is unlikely
    that sightseeing will be on our itinerary. :-(

    I just hope I can get somewhere that I can purchase one
    of those beautiful outfits Indian women wear...
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  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-09-13 11:43
    oops...

    2pzenlz.jpg
    Woman driver? :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-13 12:07
    When I worked for BAe MAD (Military Aircraft Division!) I used to get copies of reports of all the incidents involving RAF aircraft. A rather funny one involved a woman driver who managed to run into the undercarriage of a parked Harrier at one of the RAF bases which had the runway shared with a public road. I've always wondered what she put on her insurance claim form.
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-09-13 12:10
    @Leon Was you working at Bracknell BAe?
    I live in Sandhurst
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2010-09-13 12:15
    No, I was at Brough. I subsequently worked for Racal at Bracknell. I didn't know that BAe had a place at Bracknell.
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2010-09-13 12:18
    Leon wrote: »
    No, I was at Brough. I subsequently worked for Racal at Bracknell. I didn't know that BAe had a place at Bracknell.
    Sadly gone now, still lot of high technology based around Bracknell and Farnborough though, due to the military presence around there?
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-09-13 12:21
    Leon wrote: »
    ...a woman driver who managed to run into the undercarriage of a parked Harrier .... I've always wondered what she put on her insurance claim form.

    Her prefrontal cortex, maybe?
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