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Forum migration: internal plan & appreciating IT Guy

Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
edited 2010-08-13 20:52 in General Discussion
Hey all,

The forum port to vBulletin was a rough one. Our internal tests didn't sort out the variety of problems that we encountered. I think we encountered a few new issues along the way, too.

Considering the forums are the single most important communication, support, marketing, and customer-focused aspect of our business we're working to find solutions to the broken links, missing images, etc. This morning I met with Jim Ewald, Jeff Martin and Phil Pilgrim (remotely) to evaluate a few options. The preferred approach is to provide Phil with the additional access he needs to expand his scripting tool. Then, we'd run the tool on the forum again. No promises can be made about the outcome - this isn't as easy as it might appear. Our goal is to keep your posts in tact as they used to appear.

Many of the other issues relate to configuration. We're starting to knock those out, one by one. You'll see more skins available, larger file uploads, smaller icons that determine row height, etc. It just takes a bit of time to get to these issues under control. I've made myself an Admin for some configuration details.

Jim Ewald is a one-man IT Guy at Parallax. He handles a huge number of IT issues in this 43-person company. We've got staff across the country and world, all needing constant connectivity via VPN, Blackberry, PCs, virtual machines, web, etc. He runs the integration of our business software with the web, and provides all the structures we need to do our job. A day can't go by without him being pestered by somebody with a great new idea (or problem), too. Once a Parallax person is identified as being as capable as Jim this business would gladly "own" them. Therefore, let's be sure to show our appreciation to Jim and do our best to give him some breathing room right now. You'll see more of our other forum moderator staff jumping in to help people get their logins figured out or find missing threads in the meantime. Thanks for getting us on this new tool, Jim!

I've used vBulletin elsewhere and I know you'll like it once we've got it running smoothly.

Sincerely,

Ken Gracey

P.S. Our HR department is looking for a second IT person to help Jim. A job description is on our web site.
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  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2010-08-09 13:43
    Hi Ken Gracey (Parallax)

    I understand Jims and others that work with migration to NEW forum.
    And In my opinion Highest priority NEED be Functioning ATTACHMENT's
    As it is now old ones are broken AND new ones not function correctly.
    Look on this thread
    new forum limits? - It can collapse entire community if it not be functioning as fast as possible.
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-09 14:05
    I'm excited about it. Jim Rocks! ...and was "here" late on Sunday getting after the fixes and tweaks.

    (spoken from somebody, who is currently doing the one man IT gig right now)

    Please forgive anything I might have said while cranky. This new software is good stuff.
  • TinkersALotTinkersALot Posts: 535
    edited 2010-08-09 14:06
    Go Jim! You are like the fireman now -- as in nobody hardly pays them any mind until they are needed.
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2010-08-09 14:10
    I'm loving the new forums! I know all the kinks will get worked out.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-08-09 14:29
    Crankiness is acceptable.

    Did you notice that the "Chief of Crankiness" (Phil Pilgrim) is even helping us solve our problem? Kind of like politics, unless you've got an extreme opinion nobody hears you. Be yourself!
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-09 14:44
    Gee, Ken, thanks for the new title. Do I have to maintain that reputation, now that it's official? icon11.gif

    -Phil
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-09 14:45
    Badge of honor, if you ask me.
  • SSteveSSteve Posts: 808
    edited 2010-08-09 14:55
    No promises can be made about the outcome - this isn't as easy as it might appear.

    Well it appears nearly impossible, so you're doing a tremendous job so far! A transition like this is all work and no fun--I don't envy you this task.
    P.S. Our HR department is looking for a second IT person to help Jim. A job description is on our web site.

    If I didn't already have an awesome job I'd drive down from Nevada City and camp on your doorstep until you gave me a job. I'd love to work for Parallax. Maybe someday…
  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2010-08-09 15:11
    Yes - many thanks Jim!!
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,935
    edited 2010-08-09 16:12
    Ken, I think most everyone understands the challenges, but also has the forums injected like an IV needle (I know I do). I am lurking quietly while things settle, but I did post a suggestion on one thread that I think could be valuable during this migration:

    Someone should start a thread as a "New Forum User Issues List" and keep updating the top post with the list and each item's status (IE: open/fixed). This will help Parallax track issues rather than reading threads to find them. I would rather have them fixing the issues.

    Along with that, I would like to see a Parallax Specific FAQ/How-to Guide. The FAQ up now appears to be the default for vBulletin.

    As for Jim, I am sure he will return to IT Hero status very soon (he sort of already has after seeing his late night "i fixed that" posts). While it seems the migration was premature, I doubt it was due to lack of testing. Interestingly, I just read an article by the editor of NutsnVolts where h basically stated that "Parallax's user forums are second to none".
    Parallax knows this, so with Jim's efforts (and others), you'll have us loving the forums again.
  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2010-08-09 16:21
    Ken Gracey wrote:
    The preferred approach is to provide Phil with the additional access he needs to expand his scripting tool. Then, we'd run the tool on the forum again.

    You mean like this? http://xkcd.com/208/
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-08-09 16:30
    I think things with the new forum have been going great. And I thank Jim and everyone else who's been making it happen.
  • Martin HodgeMartin Hodge Posts: 1,246
    edited 2010-08-09 16:57
    I own and maintain ForumExperts.com. A forum hosting company since 2001. I know first hand how impossible it is to translate databases from one system to another without issues. And I know the hours and hours and hours and hours Jim must have put into this switchover.

    Have a beer (or some Wheat Grass Juice) and relax, you deserve it.
  • Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
    edited 2010-08-09 17:29
    Ken,

    For the SX Best Threads and Code examples, If it would be helpful, I could use the new search engine to reestablish all my old links. But not the code examples by Jon and Bean.


    Bill M.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2010-08-09 17:55
    Jim is the bomb!

    I was spending the day yesterday digging out forum gems to update my Games and Demos page. Every time I logged into the forum, Jim was logged in working on something. Heck he was still until late last night. Sunday!

    Any new major software installation is going to have it's share of glitches to overcome. Jim is a doing a FANTASTIC job handing the issues. (And Grumpy Phil.) :)

    OBC
  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,891
    edited 2010-08-09 18:00
    Crankiness is acceptable.

    Did you notice that the "Chief of Crankiness" (Phil Pilgrim) is even helping us solve our problem? Kind of like politics, unless you've got an extreme opinion nobody hears you. Be yourself!

    I've restrained my comments so far, or I'd also be extreme...
    But, I'm glad Phil's on the job because I think he shares my consternation...
  • TheGrueTheGrue Posts: 114
    edited 2010-08-09 22:45

    Jim Ewald is a one-man IT Guy at Parallax. He handles a huge number of IT issues in this 43-person company.

    Jim Rock's!!!!!!!!!!!

    As an IT man myself and working on a very large and expensive network conversion project, I can fully appreciate Jim's job.

    Been there, done that, still doing that and even bought the T-Shirt!

    Rah! Jim!
  • Tony B.Tony B. Posts: 356
    edited 2010-08-10 01:56
    I think the rewards of this new forums software is going to make the struggle worth it! Been setting up my profile and like all the options that come with it. But first, I REALLY like the significant increase in speed!

    To Jim, Ken, and anyone else who are trying to fix all issues, Thanks!!! :D

    Tony
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-08-10 02:36
    Jim is totally fantastic. He does things and solves problems in a direct get-to-the-point way that many of you will never even know about. I can see, every comment I have about the new forum, with new faced challenges, were and are being met one by one. I can also see the team is in place, and that Ken is giving the directorship and keen leadership to steer and guide the process so that nothing is left out. I can envision this new forum surpassing other forums of its kind and making Parallax a leap above others in terms of usability, functionality, presentation, communication, and support.

    I agree that of paramount importance is to recondition the original forum postings so that a new transfer will be picture perfect content, especially for our previous project presentations and displayed work found distributed all throughout the forums. Not only that, we appreciate new functions and expansions that can increase our presentations, add flexibility, and finesse information shown to viewers.

    Humanoido

    Also a big thanks to Phil and others: fill in your names here ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________, ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________, ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________, ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________, ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________, ______, _______, _________, ___________, ______________, __________________, __________, _____________________, _________,..
  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2010-08-10 07:24
    Having done these types of projects myself, I might add that a big time hog for the people working on these things is *very* long documents. It takes time to read through these and find what you are looking for.

    For example, here is a 700 page vBulletin forum software document...
    http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

    Then the documentation might not explain something very well, so next you might search through forums like this to see if someone else had the same issue...
    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/index.php

    And if that does not find what you are looking for, then next ask your question on the forum, and then wait for an answer which can take a day or more to get a response.

    You can spend hours tracking down just one issue!
  • Jim EwaldJim Ewald Posts: 733
    edited 2010-08-10 07:50
    The new forums are running on a very different hardware platform than the old site. Faster disks, more memory and processors. The average page request is being served in under 100 ms now. Sorry, but my hardware geek is showing....
    Tony B. wrote: »
    I think the rewards of this new forums software is going to make the struggle worth it! Been setting up my profile and like all the options that come with it. But first, I REALLY like the significant increase in speed!

    To Jim, Ken, and anyone else who are trying to fix all issues, Thanks!!! :D

    Tony
  • Jim EwaldJim Ewald Posts: 733
    edited 2010-08-10 08:00
    The docs for the Vbulletin migration are terse and dispersed. The basic process is documented in the online help. The details required to actually make this work with any degree of success are buried in forum threads, source code snippets, and a pervasive assumption that if it's not documented, it must be common knowledge. It isn't. I lost count of the number of patches I applied to their "production ready" migration code base.

    Sorry for ranting. We'll get things fixed around here. Thanks for the virtual pats on the back. Now - back to trenches....
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-08-10 08:20
    Jim Ewald wrote: »
    The new forums are running on a very different hardware platform than the old site. Faster disks, more memory and processors. The average page request is being served in under 100 ms now. Sorry, but my hardware geek is showing....

    Is there any way to slow that down? They're loading too fast. I liked the slower loading that you got with the old forum.






    Yes, I'm kidding.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2010-08-10 09:41
    sylvie369 wrote: »
    Is there any way to slow that down? They're loading too fast. I liked the slower loading that you got with the old forum.

    /me tosses a dead trout in Syvie's direction.... :)
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 10:40
    And all this time I was blaming my ISP!

    -Phil
  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2010-08-10 10:50
    It gave you more of a chance to savor the content...
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-08-10 11:09
    I gave Jim Ewald a MANDATORY day off courtesy of Parallax today - must be used before the end of August.

    He likes time off more than anything. You always want what you don't have, right? He just has to walk away once in a while so that's what we're making him do.

    Ken Gracey
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-11 21:12
    Good on you Ken.

    Healthy people are always a good call.

    @Jim: Hope you did something fun!
  • SeariderSearider Posts: 290
    edited 2010-08-12 09:32
    I work for a very large multinational company and have been responsible for the rollout of several major systems. I have had the luxury of having teams of people, sometimes over 100, with project managers, developers, architects, coders, well you get the picture. I have yet to have a roll-out go without problems. possibly this is a reflection on me and my team but I like to think that everyone consistently underestimates the complexity or chooses to accept some defects in order to move forward.

    Anyway, I say all of this so everyone can appreciate the work that Jim has and is doing by himself and while not perfect, I think this transition has gone well.

    Thank you Jim.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2010-08-12 14:08
    Excellent Ken!

    He deserves some time after all this!

    THANKS JIM!

    OBC
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