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Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
edited 2010-07-12 19:10 in Propeller 1
Prop + mosfet + 12v dc sla battery + High performance ignition coil + spark plug wire + spark plug + graphite + Xenon tube +neodymium magnet+?

What else does this thing need?

Oh how could I forget, last but not least, a quartz tube from an infrared toaster oven. (it comes with two)


I have no idea how to assemble this, no idea what it does, and i have no idea if I have everything needed to accomplish whatever it is that I am doing.

Any advice would be helpful.

Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 7/9/2010 4:10:42 PM GMT
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  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-07-09 15:55
    Huh? My advise... Punt!

    Bill
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-09 16:02
    ♪♫♪♪Got a long way to go, and a short time to get there, ♫♪

    ♫♪were gonna do what they say can't be done♯♫♪♯

    Punt? I think having any kind of physical contact with this contraption is a bad idea, hence the prop controller + battery source.
  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2010-07-09 16:36
    "What does this thing need?" ... somebody with sense enough (hopefully you) to not mess with it unless you already understand what you're doing.
  • K2K2 Posts: 693
    edited 2010-07-09 19:11
    "Prop + mosfet + 12v dc sla battery + High performance ignition coil + spark plug wire + spark plug + graphite + Xenon tube +neodymium magnet+?"

    Clearly what you need is a zinc sulfide screen. You came to the right place to ask your question.

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  • StefanL38StefanL38 Posts: 2,292
    edited 2010-07-09 20:31
    alice in wonderland: "which way should I go?"
    the rabbit: "it depends on what you want to reach!"
  • magdropmagdrop Posts: 13
    edited 2010-07-09 21:04
    You need one of these:

    DeLorean-1.jpg


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  • AleAle Posts: 2,363
    edited 2010-07-10 06:11
    You should use a logic level mosfet, or a mosfet driver and a suppressing diode like the 15keXX series between gate and ground to protect your prop/driver against high voltages when mosfet destruction occurs... It is best to use a driving trafo, too.

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  • w8anw8an Posts: 176
    edited 2010-07-10 06:22
    It needs a Nixie tube display
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-10 07:55
    K2 said...

    Clearly what you need is a zinc sulfide screen. You came to the right place to ask your question.
    Yes it would be helpful to be able to see if I am causing harmful radiation to myself.
    Oh yea, don't forget the goggles with protection filters.
    magdrop said...
    You need one of these:
    DeLorean
    lol.gif

    OH YEA!
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    Ale said...
    You should use a logic level mosfet, or a mosfet driver and a suppressing diode,
    like the 15keXX series between gate and ground to protect your prop/driver against high voltages when mosfet destruction occurs...
    It is best to use a driving trafo, too.
    I was thinking "opto isolation", and doing power for the prop with a 9v.
    This is teh kinda juice I need, tell me more!
    w8an said...
    It needs a Nixie tube display
    Well we DO have enough to gas discharge... from a far even.

    An NOW FOR an IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
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    HV radio suppression cables are nice to use.
    But they have a high resistance 18K +.
    The core of the cable is fiber like, you don't find solid core wire in the center of these wires. It is carbon graphite core.
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    Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 7/10/2010 9:19:53 AM GMT
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-07-10 09:04
    Just by chance, are you planning on using one of the new a Rockwell Collins Turbo Encabulators in that?

    Bill
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-10 10:35
    wjsteele said...
    Just by chance, are you planning on using one of the new a Rockwell Collins Turbo Encabulators in that?

    Bill

    By the time its done, this thread might be known as the prop turbo encabulator thread.

    somedude said...


    * Best thing: always pull the plug !
    * When working with mains voltage, use an isolation transformer or Ground Fault Interrupter (GFI or FI). Don't touch water taps or heating pipes,
    keep one hand in your pocket.

    * The following table gives minimum distances you should keep from high voltage:

    up to 5kV: 1cm
    up to 30kV: 5cm
    up to 80kV: 20cm
    up to 100kV: 50cm

    These distances resulted from my experience and should keep you safe, but no guarantee!!!
    * Keep your hand at the main power switch whenever possible. Have a torch at hand in case the fuse blows (and it's night smile.gif



    I was once shocked by a car coil through my hand, my forearm and out my elbow. Perhaps 30kv dc. I was able to pull away, but the initial shock blacked me out. I was standing and didn't fall down. I blacked out for a second or so.

    I was using the one hand in pocket rule. And because of it I lived, no voltage across my heart. However I was standing on concrete.

    The charge was generated from a battery-coil in the car tho, so the charge went out my elbow into the car frame, not out my feet.

    It had to return to its source.



    To this day, I don't understand why an earth ground is a good idea. (except for lightning) Tying "neutral" to earth ground was humanity's biggest blunder.

    So this makes earth and everything attached to it the 2nd half of the MAINS power supply return.
    We shouldn't even include our homes, our land, anything in that loop.

    All the more reason to have a power transformer in your home. Then the only thing to beat is static electricity, and we all know how easily that is dealt with.

    Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 7/10/2010 10:55:13 AM GMT
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-10 13:27
    Clock Loop said...
    ....
    Yes it would be helpful to be able to see if I am causing harmful radiation to myself.....


    Seriously, dude,

    anytime you start running tens of thousands of volts through vacuum(ish) tubes, you have the potential for creating x-rays. And dorking around an active x-ray machine, even if it's producing only low-energy rays, can make a mess of your DNA after a while.

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  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-10 13:58
    ElectricAye said...
    Clock Loop said...
    ....
    Yes it would be helpful to be able to see if I am causing harmful radiation to myself.....


    Seriously, dude,

    I AM BEING SERIOUS.

    If you doubt it, read this.

    www.pupman.com/safety.htm
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-10 15:05
    Clock Loop said...
    ...

    I AM BEING SERIOUS.
    ...

    I might also add that some xenon tubes can produce lots of UV rays since xenon has strong emission bands in the UV. And UV can damage your skin and lead to skin cancer, not to mention cooking your corneas. Since you haven't really specified what you're making or why, you have to expect forum members are going to issue lots of warnings. So far all you've done is make a proclamation equivalent to: "Hey, guys, I've got a a piece of flint, a piece of steel, five gallons of gasoline and a brand new pack of underwear. Whaddya think?" shocked.gif
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-10 15:53
    ElectricAye said...
    "Hey, guys, I've got a a piece of flint, a piece of steel, five gallons of gasoline and a brand new pack of underwear. Whaddya think?" shocked.gif

    Hmm, I wonder what you COULD make with that. Sounds like something pretty exciting.


    Careful don't drive your car, it could ignite because it has a tank of gas and a spark device, actually it has a bunch of dangerous stuff.

    Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 7/10/2010 3:59:54 PM GMT
  • RinksCustomsRinksCustoms Posts: 531
    edited 2010-07-10 15:58
    Clock Loop said...
    Prop + mosfet + 12v dc sla battery + High performance ignition coil + spark plug wire + spark plug + graphite + Xenon tube +neodymium magnet+?

    What else does this thing need?

    Oh how could I forget, last but not least, a quartz tube from an infrared toaster oven. (it comes with two)


    I have no idea how to assemble this, no idea what it does, and i have no idea if I have everything needed to accomplish whatever it is that I am doing.

    Any advice would be helpful.
    What?! can a moderator delete RETARTED posts like this? oh and if you dont know what your doing with an ignition coil, best not play with it or it will stop your clock loop, K.I.S.S. - dont be dummy.

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  • smbakersmbaker Posts: 164
    edited 2010-07-10 16:35
    A life insurance policy. Make sure to read the find print, too.

    Also, you might want a mosfet driver (TC4420, TC4429, etc) for the mosfet, and a good heak sink too.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-10 16:52
    Clock Loop said...
    ElectricAye said...
    So far all you've done is make a proclamation equivalent to: "Hey, guys, I've got a a piece of flint, a piece of steel, five gallons of gasoline and a brand new pack of underwear. Whaddya think?" shocked.gif

    Hmm, I wonder what you COULD make with that. Sounds like something pretty exciting....

    It's called "Darwinism in Action."
  • K2K2 Posts: 693
    edited 2010-07-10 23:30
    "...can a moderator delete RETARDED posts like this?"

    I wouldn't get too worked up.

    The original post was quite funny, I thought.

    Of course I didn't take it all that seriously. And even if Clock Loop is completely serious, all he's likely to do is fry a few cheap parts and receive a jolt of adrenalin when it happens.

    If shocks, pops, and tiny bursts of radiation were all that lethal, I would have died decades ago.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-11 01:44
    K2 said...
    ....

    If shocks, pops, and tiny bursts of radiation were all that lethal, I would have died decades ago.

    Who said anything about lethality? Me, I was just thinking about what he might mutate into. freaked.gif

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    Post Edited (ElectricAye) : 7/11/2010 1:49:30 AM GMT
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-11 02:55
    yea, i might mutate into a hot young tanned female teenager, apparently.

    tanning_bed_3.jpg
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-11 04:05
    Clock Loop said...
    yea, i might mutate into a hot young tanned female teenager...


    ... or not.



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  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-11 04:27
    See, now your just killing the thread...

    DIE THREAD, WHY WON'T U DIE! ARGGHHHH!!
  • StefanL38StefanL38 Posts: 2,292
    edited 2010-07-11 05:44
    Clock-Loop

    you asked a very general question:

    I have no idea how to assemble this, no idea what it does, and i have no idea if I have everything needed to accomplish whatever it is that I am doing.

    The thread has taken a direction you don't like.

    Now if you want the thread take a certain direction give some more SPECIFIC information which direction YOU would like to have it.

    If you still want the postings to run free you may change to www.skepticalcommunity.com
  • Clock LoopClock Loop Posts: 2,069
    edited 2010-07-11 07:40
    Sheesh, just tryin to have a pleasant conversation about THE mentioned items, and somehow it came to posting unpleasant images.
    It seems many here like to think in the very very far extreme, worst case scenario, and then RUN with it.


    Most of the objects I mentioned would turn into a melted flaming file of goo by the time anything gets even close to any long term exposure.
    The transformer would overheat from constant output, so would the wires, etc,,
    Having pulsed mode with proper tools and programming, plus recording equipment, fire extinguisher etc, would be wise.



    Any battery is dangerous in the wrong hands.

    Take a 9v, and direct short the leads together and watch it burn up, or explode?...

    12v sla is even worse, expansion, gas (hydrogen) then mixes with oxygen in air + spark = boom.

    We could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the dangers inherent in any situation.




    Or we could talk about the proper ways to keep the dangers low.

    Raising a fuss and a muss, when science has ways of dealing with most issues you may raise.


    Electronics are NOT KIDS TOYS.

    I don't know how many times I have been burnt not to mention plastic parts getting shot at me at high rates... too many to count.

    If the kitchen scares you, GET OUT.

    Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 7/11/2010 7:47:48 AM GMT
  • smbakersmbaker Posts: 164
    edited 2010-07-11 17:45
    Clock Loop said...
    Sheesh, just tryin to have a pleasant conversation about THE mentioned items, and somehow it came to posting unpleasant images.
    It seems many here like to think in the very very far extreme, worst case scenario, and then RUN with it.

    Not at all! Think of all the good you could do with that Delorean-based time machine. The only really hard part to find will be the flux capacitor. You might want to check the OBEX for a flux capacitor object; I'm sure someone has emulated one by now and it probably only takes 3 cogs or so.
  • K2K2 Posts: 693
    edited 2010-07-11 21:05
    This is an x-ray I made years ago using an Accel Supercoil as a power supply. Bonus points for guessing what it is. Somewhere I've even got an x-ray of the ignition coil, taken while it was making the x-ray.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-07-11 21:21
    Many years ago, this article on a DIY x-ray generator was featured in Scientific American's "Amateur Scientist" :

    www.noah.org/science/x-ray/stong/
  • smbakersmbaker Posts: 164
    edited 2010-07-11 22:53
    K2 said...
    Bonus points for guessing what it is.

    An electric razor? looks like a philips norelco.
  • K2K2 Posts: 693
    edited 2010-07-11 23:18
    "An electric razor? looks like a philips norelco."

    Perfect! You are exactly right. Even in this poor radiograph you can see the screw threads that hold the clamshells together and the spring clips that secure the cutting heads. You can also clearly see the gap between the copper windings and the silicon steel laminations.

    I've got better (clearer & sharper) radiographs. This was the first, and was quite gratifying at the time. Subsequent subjects included an old HP calculator, a kitchen blender,
    a dead pigeon (carefully enclosed in a plastic bag by the guy who shot it with his pellet gun), and an electric blanket controller.

    "Many years ago, this article on a DIY x-ray generator was featured in Scientific American's "Amateur Scientist" "

    Yup, I was entranced by that article as a kid (even though it was already ancient history by then). Too bad Stong's Oudin coil implementation is a loser, as is the idea of using an O1A tube (after all the wasted effort to find one!). It took some time and a total rework in order to produce anything worthwhile.

    BTW, zinc sulfide works well as part of a scintillation counter, but there are much better imaging screens.

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