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Lunar Lander at Parallax

Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
edited 2010-06-18 03:02 in General Discussion
Today we installed another interesting machine - a Torit Donaldson cyclone dust collector!

This machine provides the vacuum necessary for an Epilog 36 EXT Laser Cutter and the Haas SR-100 router @1250 cfm. Many of you already know about dust collection because it was your advice that lead to this solution.

The dust collector creates much "interest" among the local air pollution control authorities in California. In fact, they had to issue a $1000 permit for us to use this machine. Guess it would have been easier just to spew the stuff into the atmosphere.

And we will not be doing much wood routing, if any. We'll keep sending the Robot Base Kits out for production.

Next job is the cyclone fence around the dust collector and a giant hole in the wall.

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  • hover1hover1 Posts: 1,929
    edited 2010-06-16 21:09
    Ken,

    You should have had Hanno install it. He knows all about the lunar lander.

    From his Bio:

    (Hanno Sander has been working with computers since he programmed a lunar lander game for the z80 when he was six. Since then, he graduated from Stanford University with a degree in computer science and then started his corporate career as an Internet entrepreneur. Hanno moved to New Zealand in 2005 to spend time with his growing family and develop sophisticated, yet affordable, robots starting with the DanceBot. His technical interests include computer vision, embedded systems, industrial control, control theory, parallel computing, and fuzzy logic. 
    

    Jim
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-06-16 21:18
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  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2010-06-16 21:52
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePOz5ZeZtbc

    Never did finish it...

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  • hover1hover1 Posts: 1,929
    edited 2010-06-16 23:01
    Ken,
    Did you request Parallax blue on the cyclone? [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    Jim
  • SSteveSSteve Posts: 808
    edited 2010-06-16 23:18
    Ken Gracey (Parallax) said...
    Next job is the cyclone fence around the dust collector and a giant hole in the wall.
    I didn't realize they made a specific type of fence just for cyclone dust collectors. Huh.

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  • Tony B.Tony B. Posts: 356
    edited 2010-06-16 23:39
    Would love to have that for my woodworking shop
  • Alan BradfordAlan Bradford Posts: 172
    edited 2010-06-17 01:41
    I cant tell from the picture, but did you purchase the muffler and retirn piping to return the clean air back to the building?
    Even a small single filter unit like this one will suck lots of air conditioned (or heated) air out of the building with the dust.
    This will really cause an increase in the energy bill.
    The filtered air can be returned without much of a DT of the air.
    The muffler helps to quiet it down a bit.

    We use these same Torit systems on Plasama Cutters although they are usually a 4 to 16 filter units.
    They burn nicely too. I had a customer who didnt install a spark trap, and we burned up a 75 Horse power unit. Quite impressive.

    Any way Im not sure if your laser cutter requires a spark trap. The filter elements are flamable.

    Good Luck,

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  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-06-17 03:41
    Ken Gracey (Parallax) said...
    Today we installed another interesting machine - a Torit Donaldson cyclone dust collector!
    Maybe I missed this, but·why are you collecting·dust? What do you use it for?

    I could supply you with a lot of it at a quite good price, especially if you come pick it up.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-06-17 04:10
    @Alan, initially we'll see how it goes without makeup air. The CNC router room has vents to the non-A/C area above the office, drawing about 200,000 cf of air. I assume this air will be replaced with air from the outside, or the office air through ceiling tiles (A/C air at an expense). If we actually run the dust collection frequently enough we'll simply open the CNC router room windows to the outside. Anything else I need to know? I'm sure there is lots more to understand.

    @sylvie369: CNC router will generate some dust from occasional wood cutting and polycarbonate routing. The products being made on the router include robot bases and solar panels. Thanks for the offer for some dust, too [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2010-06-17 04:13
    @Ken,

    This CNC machine install has been an adventure for you guys these last two weeks, (and us too, by proxy) --

    No one makes a purchase like this without having some plans for how it will be used...

    Any chance you can give us a sneak peek at coming attractions (products) which will become available in the future? [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-06-17 05:13
    Hey OBC,

    At this moment we're just going to internalize manufacturing of some products that we're outsourcing. Once we get that part under control we'll be able to add production for new ideas.

    It's been a difficult six weeks at Parallax. All of this new equipment means training every week, restructuring of various manufacturing processes, revisions of certain product designs, and a ton of electrical, plumbing, air, HVAC, etc. I thought we'd be done with the whole process by the end of June but it'll be more like July. It takes time to learn how to run these tools. The bright side is that it's an investment for the long-term future. Add to it that we're short on staff - four positions are now open for everything from Engineering to IT and perhaps even another job in manufacturing.

    So, give us a bit of time to start using the machines and we'll share some ideas for your feedback. Summer is the best time to disrupt the business with these kinds of activities. Although people are gone on vacation, business is usually slower so those who stay around need extra things to do (like pour concrete!).

    Also, maybe there are some ideas that our customers should provide for our consideration. I'll show you the various tools during UPEW tours.

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  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2010-06-17 10:37
    Ken Gracey (Parallax) said...

    @sylvie369: CNC router will generate some dust from occasional wood cutting and polycarbonate routing. The products being made on the router include robot bases and solar panels. Thanks for the offer for some dust, too [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    (I'm a little afraid that maybe it wasn't obvious that I was kidding...)·

    It's really interesting seeing how new equipment arrives and is integrated into things. I'd seen those devices before, and had no idea they were dust collectors.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-06-17 16:09
    Ken's collecting dust? That's not his style! Certainly not this close to UPEW! Not on MY watch!

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  • HighlandtinkerHighlandtinker Posts: 50
    edited 2010-06-17 18:40
    Ken;

    Just a quick question. Is there a cover or some other provision for keeping rain and other moisture off the motor? I ask only because as a electric motor and motor control repair tech I have worked on dust collectors and other electric motors that are outside. My experience has been that even though the manufactures say the motor can take the elements water seems to find a way into the bearing housings and wash out the grease. It is funny how water is not a very good lubricant. This may not be a problem with your system but I have seen some fairly new equipment fail due to moisture in bearing housings. I don't want Parallax to have to delay production of any of your great products so thought I would mention this.

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  • stamptrolstamptrol Posts: 1,731
    edited 2010-06-17 19:18
    Ken,

    Cute little unit! Comments about spark control are right on the money. I've seen a big one go into orbit (sort of) due to the wood dust reaching exactly the right proportion of fuel and air and a spark due to static joining the mixture. Because the "pointy end" is on the wrong end, the cyclones don't fly very well!

    The motor looks like a TEFC unit so a bit of rain won't bother it.

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  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-06-17 21:37
    Well, this unit is supposed to be weather resistant. Guess time will tell.

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  • edited 2010-06-17 21:45
    Highlandtinker said...

    Ken;

    Just a quick question. Is there a cover or some other provision for keeping rain and other moisture off the motor? I ask only because as a electric motor and motor control repair tech I have worked on dust collectors and other electric motors that are outside. My experience has been that even though the manufactures say the motor can take the elements water seems to find a way into the bearing housings and wash out the grease. It is funny how water is not a very good lubricant. This may not be a problem with your system but I have seen some fairly new equipment fail due to moisture in bearing housings. I don't want Parallax to have to delay production of any of your great products so thought I would mention this.

    I received slightly different instructions for when we got central air.· They said it would probably last twenty years and the minute it is put outside it would start to rot.

    They said if I covered my central air unit that water could get inside and not dry out because we had a cover on and it would also keep the sun from hitting it.

    The best thing is if they could build a roof for it but nothing is going to keep it from getting hit by wind blown (diagonal)·rain.

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  • Sal AmmoniacSal Ammoniac Posts: 213
    edited 2010-06-17 23:47
    Looks more like "Little Boy" than a lunar lander: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Little_boy.jpg
  • edited 2010-06-18 01:20
    Ken Gracey (Parallax) said...
    Today we installed another interesting machine - a Torit Donaldson cyclone dust collector!

    This machine provides the vacuum necessary for an Epilog 36 EXT Laser Cutter and the Haas SR-100 router @1250 cfm. Many of you already know about dust collection because it was your advice that lead to this solution.

    The dust collector creates much "interest" among the local air pollution control authorities in California. In fact, they had to issue a $1000 permit for us to use this machine. Guess it would have been easier just to spew the stuff into the atmosphere.

    "Dust is a general name for solid particles with diameters less than 20 thou (500 micrometres). Particles in the atmosphere arise from various sources such as soil dust lifted up by wind, volcanic eruptions, and pollution. Dust in homes, offices, and other human environments contains human skin cells, small amounts of plant pollen, human and animal hairs, textile fibers, paper fibres, minerals from outdoor soil, and many other materials which may be found in the local environment.[noparse][[/noparse]1]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust

    Ken,

    I think they have it backwards but they haven't figured it out that the field around Parallax creates more dust than your machine but you don't want to tell them that because they might charge you for your field.· You probably don't want to be grossed out but dust is also a product of dead skin.

    Chuck
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  • Alan BradfordAlan Bradford Posts: 172
    edited 2010-06-18 02:04
    Hi Ken,
    The Torit is completely water and weather tight.
    The motor will be fine. I have never heard of a problem with an outside installation.

    As for the Spark Arrestor, what are you cutting with the Laser?
    Does it generate any sparks or hot debris?
    The Torrit guys are very knowledgeable about these types of applications and are the first ones you should go to if you have any doubts.
    Also if it does catch fire, the outer enclosure will contain it, it just makes a mess of the innards.
    It would sorta look like R2D2 it by a Blaster.... smoke leaking from all the cracks and crevases.

    Have fun with it,

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  • HighlandtinkerHighlandtinker Posts: 50
    edited 2010-06-18 02:24
    I am not implying that the equipment was not good I was only commenting·on a problem I have seen many, many times before. With over 20 years experiance in the motor repair, service and sales, ( One of the Largest rewind shops in the NW if not the largest.·http://knelectric.com/·)·I have seen problems with outside installations on many different brands of motors from fractional HP to many thousands HP. I apoligize if I lead anyone to think I was trashing Parallax's equipment. :-(

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    · Scott

    Post Edited (Highlandtinker) : 6/18/2010 2:29:35 AM GMT
  • Alan BradfordAlan Bradford Posts: 172
    edited 2010-06-18 02:42
    Not at all Scott, I know what your saying.

    I have also seen alot of cheap stuff not live up to its name.
    I was just trying to say that the Torit is a quality piece of equipment.

    With all the government environmental engineers trying to justify their existance, you almost can not sneeze without causing a violation now a days.
    There·are been lots of start up companies now making fume extractors.
    If you go to the National Welding Shows you will see about 50 new vendors each year.
    Some of it is cheap Chinese copies of the brand names and others are over engineered German stuff thast could contain a Nuclear Blast.

    Anyway this is a good machine and should last years.



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  • HighlandtinkerHighlandtinker Posts: 50
    edited 2010-06-18 03:02
    Alan;

    You are absolutly correct. A large part of our small motor repair is the cheap asian stuff. The German motors are really good until one burns up and we have to rewind it. ( alot of copper stuffed in a small package )

    We are a warranty shop for most motor manufactures and see the motors that just don't last so I suppose I see more than my share of problems. The brand of motor used on this Dust collector is a quility manufacturer· ( Baldor ) and should last a long time.

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