Why are engineers that way?
silverback
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Ever troll other engineering forums? make a bad·suggestion and you get a line of smug jerks just ready to pounce. you want to be prig? Fine, I am just too old to waste what little time I·can·set aside·to·dabble in electronics to deal with smug cranks. Can't find out how to delete my account.
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You might be brilliant, but if you are a jerk- who cares.
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You might be brilliant, but if you are a jerk- who cares.
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· Please don't take this the wrong way. But you need to get a thicker skin.
· There are all kinds of people in this world, with all kinds of personallities.
· That's just the way it is.
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Use BASIC on the Propeller with the speed of assembly language.
PropBASIC thread http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=867134
March 2010 Nuts and Volts article·http://www.parallax.com/Portals/0/Downloads/docs/cols/nv/prop/col/nvp5.pdf
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Jerks are jerks, be they engineers or not.
I was flamed up one side and down the other on a MIDI music site when I asked about a delay I was experiencing between the trigger source and eventual MIDI sound output. Could.not.believe what one guy wrote back to me. So, I wrote HIM back (copied the whole group as he had done initially) and said (sarc/on) I had never been so politely told that I had no clue what I was doing (sarc/off). I promptly left the site and have never been back.
As you say, life's too short.
DJ
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Chris Savage
Parallax Engineering
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Yup,
One thing..can we have a thread where NEWBIE like me, that can post a PROJECT where, it is a simple project that maybe everyone else don't care too much, that has been done before and that is nothing new to everyone else!
So when a newbie is sucessful at connecting anything without releasing the internal smoke and be proud of it, and just want to show part of the project with Parallax parts, that has only an output , that could be relevant!
So a newbie like me, that is just barely scratching the surface, where others "BEEN THERE DONE THAT" , can at least just display the final results...not the whole thing?
(Schematics, programing etc)
Cheers
Yosh
I'm on computer forums not related to Parallax and they treat their forum as their house. Freedom of Speech is only free if it goes by their rules and they tell me that I can leave and yet my Dad, my uncle, my neighbor, my wife's grandfather all fought in World War II to help preserve freedom which they also enjoy.
Maybe if you stick around, you could possibly convince Parallax to create a forum that beginners can ask questions but only Moderators are allowed to answer questions. That would almost guarantee a friendly answer.
If it helps to create a "Super Newbie" forum where Parallax staff monitors it closely (and, err. . . Mike Green!) maybe that would let newbies feel more at home.
silverback, don't leave. Get yourself an Arduino if you want one, but don't leave. There's an incredible amount of highly qualified and free engineering support on these forums. Ask questions, read replies and learn. Don't take responses personally and be polite even if others are difficult.
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Ken Gracey
Parallax Inc.
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I can tell you that all of silverback's messages that I've read have all been what I've come to expect from
users of this forum, helpful and well contributed. There have been "moments" here where I felt someone
was a little sharp, or even perhaps a little rude, but most of that was resolved in the recognition that
there are many countries, experiences, and cultural differences represented here. Facial expression,
body language, and tone don't transmit in text well. (It's the reason I use lots of simleys) [noparse]:)[/noparse]
@silverback, the Parallax forums are truly one of the best communities on the internet.
So much so that I've actually become disgusted with other groups which I've had a long relationship with
because this group has opened my eyes to folks who are truly solid gold. Don't let a single bad apple,
or even a misunderstanding around what I've mentioned drive you away.
OBC
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Post Edited (Oldbitcollector) : 5/4/2010 1:58:52 PM GMT
@Chuckz - Any board on these forums should be as you described...a place where anyone can ask any question without fear of being singled out. Two things to consider...as Ken said, don't take it personally...this isn't the kindergarten playground. Here, for everyone one person that ridicules you there are 10 more who are willing to help if you're polite and willing to learn. The second thing is to consider the person when someone is rude. Do you really want help from someone who forgot where they came from? And let's add a third item that a colleague told me when I wanted to become an engineering teacher..."The best students don't always make the best teachers". What this means for those who are rude, is that just because they know about a topic doesn't mean they are adept at explaining it, and for some that can be frustrating.
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Chris Savage
Parallax Engineering
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Sometimes people could be having a bad day when they are online and they didn't mean to communicate it but it comes out.· Adults are sometimes more use to talking to adults.
A few times people have warned me about safety and I confused them as being strong worded against me instead of for me.· And when my Dad did it he would always hug me and say it was because he cares that he didn't want to see me lose my eyes or get hurt.
Maybe a younger props forum or club where it is family·might help some and you might tailor the prop to that audience.· Group projects for different age groups·online might make it easier and fun for some where they are around their peers.· It is only an idea and you can think about the pros and cons.
Chuck
Again,
I view the BASIC stamp forum, as a zone for question and problems. Not a Zone for Newbie and less newbie, to display, even maybe stupid project (for some) , and at least show it off.
Then between newbies, we can ask basic questions where we won't get the RTFM quote, which is very annoying.
I get very frustrated to get an answer like that. Docs are made for those who already have experience. Most of the time anyway. I read and re-read some manual , but it's made for those who have the concept and understanding of all the basics.
So can we have a zone for NEWBIE, like PROJECTS for BASIC . AT least between ourself, we understand the level of frustration and get that answer !
Cheers
Yosh
"Engineers work to develop economic and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics, scientific knowledge and ingenuity while considering technical constraints.[noparse][[/noparse]1][noparse][[/noparse]2] The term is derived from the Latin root "ingenium," meaning "cleverness".[noparse][[/noparse]3] The industrial revolution and continuing technological developments of the last few centuries have changed the connotation of the term slightly, resulting in the perception of engineers as applied scientists. The work of engineers is the link between perceived needs of society and commercial applications."-Wikipedia
I think it is safe to say that there are a lot of people who aren't engineers by trade because they don't have a degree in the field.· They may be considered engineers by their hobby but there is a learning curve and stuff like Calc or Pre-Calc usually comes with a certain age.
Post Edited (Chuckz) : 5/4/2010 10:44:06 PM GMT
If you want to explore the tech, do that. If that's Propeller, great! There are plenty of people here that will share the experience with you, and have a good time doing it. If that's another chip, great!! You will find those people there too.
What these words on a web forum mean is entirely up to you. For the most part, unless you choose to share contact info, you and others are just here, exchanging a few words and that's the end of it. What anyone thinks, or why, isn't material, unless you make it out to be. That's one of the beautiful things about online hobby information sharing and discussion! You are connected, and disconnected all at the same time.
When something occurs that you believe is diminishing your person, the best form is to give the benefit of the doubt, ignore it, and continue on with little impact. The words of some complete stranger, however prominent on a web forum, have little potential to impact you personally, unless you allow that to occur.
Some of us are better at dealing with that dynamic than others.
If I were you, and I were interested in the Propeller, I would simply reset, aquire another username, establish an e-mail that forwards back to one you check regularly, and start again with absolutely no worries. This conversation, and the ones that lead to it can just be forgotten, leaving you to share your tech experience with us, with the reverse being true as well.
Think on it for a bit. If you use a level of indirection, your person is isolated, leaving you free to just take the good, filter the bad, and get something out of the group that's difficult to obtain otherwise. (unless you've a local group you can work with)
For any given web community, there are some bitings that occur. Some of those are differences in culture and or ability to communicate. Others are somewhat material in that somebody actually intends for the biting to happen, and that sucks. Nobody here likes it, and most of us work hard to keep the forum culture clean and fun. This isn't a bad community of users, and I must tell you, there are some very sharp people here in the room. You would be missing out, if you didn't get in there and interact with them, just like nearly all of us regulars have.
Again, think on it for a bit. Where ever you go, this Smile can and usually will occur to some degree. If you take the time, right now, to improve your mettle online, this kind of thing can be minor, and depending on the topic, highly entertaining! (yes, I do some rather entertaining debate in other places that I find to be a guilty pleasure)
However you decide, know it doesn't have to go the way it did. Maybe a second round will play out better than the first one did, and again, nobody ever has to know.
Take care.
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Apparently because there is no right or wrong way to do things because for all intents and purposes, there is an engineer somewhere who is going to say that my advice is wrong and they know more.· And because I asked for technical advice in the first place, I can't argue.· The problem is they are missing the bigger picture that we're all learning and that we're all at different levels and some of them are ungrateful that we're helping others on other forums.·
I'm happy that I'm behind a username and that few people know who I am so I can be incognito.· Engineers have feelings too so they might get upset if I told them the only reason they are right is because their heads·are too big and egg shaped which helps them remember all those facts.· They will say "hey!"· But I'm going to shrug it off and move on because I'm not in prison and I'm going to take the moral high road and feel good that I make my own happiness by learning, being involved, making things and I get my significance not from the eggheads but from being me, making stuff, being involved and learning.· We all have made mistakes and mine aren't any bigger because I'm contrasted by someone who knows more.· So we need all of the help out there and it makes us better that we're informed and I don't always understand why things work but it is a necessary part of learning but I found there are a lot of different ways things work.· It is evident in Physics class where all the previous theories of the universe are false except for the theories we have today.· We don't really use the word "prove" except in math class and there isn't such a thing as "proof" because there might be another theory of the universe that proves what we believe is false.· Newtonian Physics is true enough to get us to the moon but it is completely false when it comes to Einstein's physics and there might be another paradine shift or revolution in physics.· And there are things which are higher than being right and wrong.· There is love and it is more important than always being right or wrong.
But here Until now I dont think anyone here knew my age .
OBC : but most of that was resolved in the recognition that
there are many countries, experiences, and cultural differences represented here. Facial expression,
body language, and tone don't transmit in text well. (It's the reason I use lots of simleys) [noparse]:)[/noparse]
You Hit the Nail on the head !
I get a ton of hasel ( online ) cause I dont spell very well cause Iam disabled with dysgrpgya and aspergers..
hence why for Ages I never bothered joining a technical forum .
To add to what Chuckz said .
the Funny thing about Code is there is often more then one way to do the exact same thing .
Peter KG6LSE
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@Peter KG6LSE (said): "I get the 'you're too young to know that' all the time!"
You don't know the half of it!
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It's my opinion that more of us should just lead by example, setting good norms, and the rest will largely work out.
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Hey Peter, Try Firefox.. It has a right-click speller that I use ALL the time. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
I struggled with spelling for years, and can finally spell common words correctly,
but Firefox hides a LOT of my mistakes. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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But In class or on the go I often use My smartphone Like right now . so Have no Spell check ..
Peter KG6LSE
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!"
peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL