Losing web services-new server advice?
VIRAND
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My domains are so old that I am paying very little for ones with only 5 or 6 letters in them.
Since I got them, and have been renting them, they have been getting better and worse
in different ways. Over the past few years I haven't been keeping them up to date.
Recently I have had need of them and have been getting traffic but a lot has happened
that has made the services very awful since I first got them.
When I first got them, the websites had background music, and for some reason they
don't anymore. I assume that the music police made the browsers not support music
anymore. But that isn't a very big deal, still, the internet is very obviously to me in a
state of reverse progress or ruin, my services are fading away. It seems that to regain
the services, the most obvious ways have been to pay more and become exposed to
more junk that I will never consider acceptable.
Recently, one hosting service changed my email service so that I am no longer able
to use either option they currently offer. I contacted them but they said they could
not give me former email service anymore but told me how to upgrade. I don't intend
to upgrade because I cannot secure the upgrade.
Since then, I can no longer send email on any of the domains and can still receive it
but cannot add new email addresses. That happened once before. I originally had
great email but it was downgraded and made not free. At that time I avoided paying
for services I had for free previously in clever ways. I found servers that could either
receive or redirect incoming mail, and for a while I had a program that could send
mail from any of the addresses in my domain that I was using but others had modified
it for spamming so somehow the ISPs blocked it, but fortunately I found another
host with an email server. Suddenly I am getting mail I cannot respond to. The hosts
and domain name providers all have hidden or made unusable the email services.
I have a link to all of the addresses that is inaccessible to anyone who could spam me,
which I could share if necessary to be helped, because it is the list of the email addresses
that I lost control of because of changes in services and service providers buying each
other out. I will not accept the option of paying for formerly included services, especially
since the one host that still offers me email service has changed it to be unuseable without
exposing my network to them. What I will do instead is avoid the new fees for less useful
email services by setting up my own web and mail servers the way I want them to be
set up, and save a lot of money. Some of my problem is that a lot of my previous solutions
to the progressive extortion is so unconventional that it cannot be fixed except by canceling
all of my unsatisfactory hosts and email services and doing it myself the right way according
to books on the subject, such as Apache. I am somewhat ignorant of "the right way" to do it,
not that my way is "wrong", it just got broken by unwanted service changes by services
that are trying to rip me off, or at least ruining my setup with their changes, so that I don't
have email and they are trying to sell it back to me. IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO HAVE MY OWN
SERVERS THAN TO RESPOND TO THEIR CHANGES, AND IT WILL BE BETTER TO HAVE MY OWN
SERVERS WITHOUT BEING SUBJECT TO UNWANTED CHANGES. Why pay for something that
keeps being made more useless? I just say NO. I use Linux for the same reason.
Please if anyone can answer these questions:
Where can I get simple old fashioned email service cheap? (Temporarily at least.)
Could it be as easy as contacting my ISP to allow SMTP for all my email addresses?
Any advice of what LINUX software to put on my webserver and mailserver,
or a link to that information, or a common book about it?
Is there one trustworthy host that is not always making it harder to have multiple
websites with email accounts that is worthwhile compared to having my own servers?
MY SERVERS ARE (WILL BE) FREE AND THE LINUX SOFTWARE IS FREE,
BUT MY HOSTS THINK THEY CAN MESS UP THINGS AND CHARGE ME MORE FOR THEM,
SO I THINK NOT.
If the servers are too hard and time consuming to maintain,
I am sure I could put my websites on SD cards and run them on Propellers with ethernet chips.
I am not so sure about email but email (SMTP/POP3 or WEBMAIL) is not more complicated
than a webserver that can handle my old fashioned mostly HTML content.
All this is relatively easy... writing a browser is not necessary, but I think that would be a very hard project.
So, any advice on how to clean up my messy webs, and get full email service back, and not get ripped off?
What a waste of time it was today testing all the email and finding EVERYTHING messed up by
all the ISPs that I chose, to avoid putting all the eggs in one basket and having this kind of
Smile happen?
DNS is ok.
Hosts are increasing storage and bandwidth for free
but removing email features while also trying to resell them to me,
except for one that only offers an unacceptable way of doing email that would otherwise be OK.
And they all now offer a million extra nickel-and-dime features in addition to the take-away and resell nonsense.
I may just set up a junk computer to use the "bad" email without endangering anything else,
just because it is the only email that still works ANYTHING LIKE the way it used to like it should.
I'm going to do some more research and look for good mail services and software,
and get an idea of how things work best these days when all the good stuff is fading away.
Who remembers FREE GLOBAL INTERNETPHONE in the 1990s? Is VOIP free? Magicjack is trash.
Nothing is as good as Dialpad.com was when it was FREE. You could call any phone in the world and NOT sound
like Stephen Hawking! Every phone on this consumable junk dump planet sounds like him these days.
A rotary dial phone sounds the best, but Dialpad was even better than that.
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Since I got them, and have been renting them, they have been getting better and worse
in different ways. Over the past few years I haven't been keeping them up to date.
Recently I have had need of them and have been getting traffic but a lot has happened
that has made the services very awful since I first got them.
When I first got them, the websites had background music, and for some reason they
don't anymore. I assume that the music police made the browsers not support music
anymore. But that isn't a very big deal, still, the internet is very obviously to me in a
state of reverse progress or ruin, my services are fading away. It seems that to regain
the services, the most obvious ways have been to pay more and become exposed to
more junk that I will never consider acceptable.
Recently, one hosting service changed my email service so that I am no longer able
to use either option they currently offer. I contacted them but they said they could
not give me former email service anymore but told me how to upgrade. I don't intend
to upgrade because I cannot secure the upgrade.
Since then, I can no longer send email on any of the domains and can still receive it
but cannot add new email addresses. That happened once before. I originally had
great email but it was downgraded and made not free. At that time I avoided paying
for services I had for free previously in clever ways. I found servers that could either
receive or redirect incoming mail, and for a while I had a program that could send
mail from any of the addresses in my domain that I was using but others had modified
it for spamming so somehow the ISPs blocked it, but fortunately I found another
host with an email server. Suddenly I am getting mail I cannot respond to. The hosts
and domain name providers all have hidden or made unusable the email services.
I have a link to all of the addresses that is inaccessible to anyone who could spam me,
which I could share if necessary to be helped, because it is the list of the email addresses
that I lost control of because of changes in services and service providers buying each
other out. I will not accept the option of paying for formerly included services, especially
since the one host that still offers me email service has changed it to be unuseable without
exposing my network to them. What I will do instead is avoid the new fees for less useful
email services by setting up my own web and mail servers the way I want them to be
set up, and save a lot of money. Some of my problem is that a lot of my previous solutions
to the progressive extortion is so unconventional that it cannot be fixed except by canceling
all of my unsatisfactory hosts and email services and doing it myself the right way according
to books on the subject, such as Apache. I am somewhat ignorant of "the right way" to do it,
not that my way is "wrong", it just got broken by unwanted service changes by services
that are trying to rip me off, or at least ruining my setup with their changes, so that I don't
have email and they are trying to sell it back to me. IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO HAVE MY OWN
SERVERS THAN TO RESPOND TO THEIR CHANGES, AND IT WILL BE BETTER TO HAVE MY OWN
SERVERS WITHOUT BEING SUBJECT TO UNWANTED CHANGES. Why pay for something that
keeps being made more useless? I just say NO. I use Linux for the same reason.
Please if anyone can answer these questions:
Where can I get simple old fashioned email service cheap? (Temporarily at least.)
Could it be as easy as contacting my ISP to allow SMTP for all my email addresses?
Any advice of what LINUX software to put on my webserver and mailserver,
or a link to that information, or a common book about it?
Is there one trustworthy host that is not always making it harder to have multiple
websites with email accounts that is worthwhile compared to having my own servers?
MY SERVERS ARE (WILL BE) FREE AND THE LINUX SOFTWARE IS FREE,
BUT MY HOSTS THINK THEY CAN MESS UP THINGS AND CHARGE ME MORE FOR THEM,
SO I THINK NOT.
If the servers are too hard and time consuming to maintain,
I am sure I could put my websites on SD cards and run them on Propellers with ethernet chips.
I am not so sure about email but email (SMTP/POP3 or WEBMAIL) is not more complicated
than a webserver that can handle my old fashioned mostly HTML content.
All this is relatively easy... writing a browser is not necessary, but I think that would be a very hard project.
So, any advice on how to clean up my messy webs, and get full email service back, and not get ripped off?
What a waste of time it was today testing all the email and finding EVERYTHING messed up by
all the ISPs that I chose, to avoid putting all the eggs in one basket and having this kind of
Smile happen?
DNS is ok.
Hosts are increasing storage and bandwidth for free
but removing email features while also trying to resell them to me,
except for one that only offers an unacceptable way of doing email that would otherwise be OK.
And they all now offer a million extra nickel-and-dime features in addition to the take-away and resell nonsense.
I may just set up a junk computer to use the "bad" email without endangering anything else,
just because it is the only email that still works ANYTHING LIKE the way it used to like it should.
I'm going to do some more research and look for good mail services and software,
and get an idea of how things work best these days when all the good stuff is fading away.
Who remembers FREE GLOBAL INTERNETPHONE in the 1990s? Is VOIP free? Magicjack is trash.
Nothing is as good as Dialpad.com was when it was FREE. You could call any phone in the world and NOT sound
like Stephen Hawking! Every phone on this consumable junk dump planet sounds like him these days.
A rotary dial phone sounds the best, but Dialpad was even better than that.
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Comments
uk2.net
It's not expensive and I've never had any problems with them.
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Leon Heller
Amateur radio callsign: G1HSM
One of the services they offer is the ability to park a domain for free.
The parking services include a web-redirect as well as 5 email forwards making
the domain handy even if you aren't doing anything with it presently.
You could transfer in and take advantage of their services.
OBC
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Andrew Williams
WBA Consulting
WBA-TH1M Sensirion SHT11 Module
Special Olympics Polar Bear Plunge, Mar 20, 2010
1and1 is the one whose email no longer works with my browser.
But I guess at least it is the only one that still provides sufficient email service.
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Andrew Williams
WBA Consulting
WBA-TH1M Sensirion SHT11 Module
Special Olympics Polar Bear Plunge, Mar 20, 2010
A lot of people in a local linux group I belong to use debian for their home servers.
I used to use redhat and sendmail before mediacom started blocking email and web servers, check with your isp to see if they will "allow" you to run a server.
-dan
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Arguing with myself--sometimes me, myself, and I don't always agree.
(Former) Caterpillar product support technician
the new code. I learned that painful lesson many times. About a month ago I noticed that flashplayer was
turning on my webcam and mic, just a few weeks before a school in Pennsylvania got in trouble for
giving a young man detention for smoking in his room alone at home; obviously the vice principal was
looking at things he shouldn't have been looking at that were none of his business.
I will look into getting an SMTP/POP3 client but I have to figure out how to prevent the possibility of
losing email with it. OUTLOOK is for Windows which I haven't used for internet access since 2005
due to a crime against me by certain powers which I was advised not to discuss here. If OpenOffice
has an Outlook substitute I will consider using that. Can POP3 be used without deleting the email from
the 1and1 mail server?
Anyway, here is a screenshot of an attempt to send email
using webmail. It is impossible to write since the letter is off the screen and nothing is adjustable.
I am using Mozilla. I tried using Firefox but it closed due to a script error.
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That is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind.
I think I should be able to run a server with my ISP.
Obviously spyware does that all the time.
It seems to me that at least one of my hosts
should be able to run a simple server; couldn't
I possibly write a webmail page as a front end to sendmail?
I really wonder why 1and1 said I could not use PINE instead
of their new webmail, and I'm sure I ordered UNIX or LINUX hosting.
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Andrew Williams
WBA Consulting
WBA-TH1M Sensirion SHT11 Module
Special Olympics Polar Bear Plunge, Mar 20, 2010
I personally use Linode (linode.com) for my VPS hosting needs. They let you run pretty much any linux distro and give you full root access, much like you would have if you were running a dedicated linux box yourself.
Also, I'm not sure why you are running into so many problems with computers and the internet. Perhaps all your problems are caused by attempting to run super security-hardened linux installs. Sometimes simple and standard solutions are the best...
Judging by yours I should still be able to read and write the email even with less vertical resolution.
but my screenshot is of the whole screen and I can't make it smaller.
Maybe I can... I'll try... I very much doubt it because I tried almost everything.
It was even more completely stuffed up before I got rid of the calendar junk.
@Harrison: I am maintaining security. Mail doesn't work because they changed it, as acknowledged above.
On security in general:
If a door is locked and they go in through a window, locking the window makes more sense than unlocking a door.
My security system is more like a doorman or an alarm than a lock though.
My firewall is simply like a wall.
Things are not supposed to enter through walls anyway so there is nothing extreme about that at all.
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If you're running Linux, consider KMail. It's POP3- and SMTP-capable. That's what I use, and I've never had a problem with it. Losing mail is never an issue, because it remains on the remote server until the transfer is complete and KMail tells the server to delete it. In KMail, everything is resizable, so it should work fine on your screen. I use it via SSH to my Kubuntu box from my iMac under X Windows. I'm not certain whether you need to be running KDE on your Linux box to use it or not. I suspect that you do.
-Phil
That (underlined) is the issue with losing mail. I don't want to download and delete it.
What place makes more sense to keep mail in than a mail server?
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MARK THIS THREAD AS "SOLVED" BUT IT IS NOW PARTIALLY SOLVED;
I AM NOW ABLE TO USE THE MAIL SERVICES THAT WERE FORMERLY NOT DISPLAYED PROPERLY.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS WHICH DID LEAD TO AT LEAST ONE SOLUTION.[noparse][[/noparse]
I will see what I can do about the "lost" mailboxes. Transferring the other domain may "fix" that.
Someone elsewhere suggested an openwebmail server. I am considering that also.
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Post Edited (VIRAND) : 3/14/2010 7:35:17 AM GMT
Anyway, you don't have to delete it from the server, if you don't want to. KMail has a setting for "leave fetched messages on the server". But I can't imagine any host being willing to store all of your email, especially if you receive a lot of large attachments.
-Phil
I recommend Dovecot for IMAP/POP3 and Postfix for SMTP. Both daemons support SSL/TLS encryption.