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Serge the robot (from Caprica)

HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
edited 2010-05-05 20:15 in General Discussion
I'm a fan of the SyFy channel show "Caprica" and there is a household robot butler named Serge.

The design looks nice to me and I was wondering if anyone here knew of a similar robot that
uses a single ball on the bottom for mobility?? ...has anyone actually made a bot like this?

I can see how it would be easy to drive the ball to produce motion but I wonder about how to
spin the bot left and right if the floor was dusty? Seems like there would be a problem with the
big ball just spinning while the robot stood still. I can see ways to overcome a dusty floor while
moving the bot but spinning it around while it remains in exactly the same spot is more difficult.

I wonder if an internal gyro in the bot could be quickly sped up or braked to produce rotation
of the robot...it might also make balancing the bot easier.

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  • iDaveiDave Posts: 252
    edited 2010-03-06 21:33
    I would say it's high on style....low on practicality. Only saw the first few. Is it worth catching up on?

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  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-03-06 22:17
    Yes, it's a great show smile.gif

    I download them and watch them.
  • mikedivmikediv Posts: 825
    edited 2010-03-06 23:07
    I just started watching is that suppose to be a young Adama I am confused how does this relate to BSG???
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-03-06 23:44
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbsU2jIWGM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jxGsg3p0Y

    Nice to hear from you, Holly! I still have diapers for you to change,·stop by next time you're in L.A.!

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  • hover1hover1 Posts: 1,929
    edited 2010-03-07 00:45
    Number 1 is outstanding!
    Looks like Hanno has to upgrade the dancebot!
    Jim
    erco said...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbsU2jIWGM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jxGsg3p0Y

    Nice to hear from you, Holly! I still have diapers for you to change,·stop by next time you're in L.A.!
  • hover1hover1 Posts: 1,929
    edited 2010-03-07 00:49
    I guess with all the time you spend on the forums, you haven't got a chance to automate that process yet?

    I thought we wouldn't see you for months, but misses must have cut you some slacktongue.gif



    Jim
    erco said...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbsU2jIWGM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jxGsg3p0Y

    Nice to hear from you, Holly! I still have diapers for you to change,·stop by next time you're in L.A.!
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2010-03-07 01:29
    I think Serge the Bot would have a bit of trouble rotating horizontally. Maybe he has reaction wheels?

    I love the series, for reasons that might be obvious to anyone familiar with my non-Parallax web presence. It smartly advances certain ideas that are close to my heart, while also doing a nice portrayal of near-future tech and being well-acted and projecting a believable international (interglobal?) community with amusing substitutions of pagan religious observances and social mores for the ones we take for granted.
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-03-07 04:48
    @ mikediv

    Yes, the boy is the young William Adama that 50yrs later commands the Galactica.

    It relates to BSG because this series shows how the cylons came to be.
    It all started when the brilliant Zoey Graystone wrote the code to create avatars
    that were sentient beings in a virtual world... after Zoey dies in a bombing her father transferred the Zoey avatar
    code and data to the very powerful cpu in his military robot prototype....creating the first Cylon smile.gif

    @erco
    I'm a long way from CA now but I'd gladly do a few diaper changes for you just to get to play with
    those two little angels smile.gif

    @localroger
    You summed the show up nicely there!
    Those are pretty much the same reasons I like it so much..
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2010-03-07 14:00
    Hey Holly,

    Glad you are back! I've never seen the show, but now y'all have me fired up to see it.

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  • beebsbeebs Posts: 20
    edited 2010-03-08 07:08
    Hi Holly,

    This is the first example of the one-ball-bot I remember:
    www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060809154145.htm

    And I completely agree regarding the show, very cool.

    - dave
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2010-03-08 16:41
    I remember the Ballbot...I found it while searching for BalBot, which is a different balancing robot entirely (Balbots.com).

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  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2010-03-09 17:39
    Thanks for that link beebs...that was just the sort of thing I was looking for.

    I think it would be very easy to go down stairs using a ball-bot.
    Going up stairs would require the ball to be able to retract and
    pop back down with enough force to jump the bot up to the next step.
    It is possible but I wonder how noisy it might be...
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2010-03-10 00:25
    Serge has been depicted popping his ball up and down as he shifts from "standing" to "moving" mode, but I don't think they are going to show him hopping stairs. He's obviously an inexpensive, almost toy product, and one advantage he has over BallBot is that he's not apt to break anything expensive if he trips and falls over. He's also more of an observer/protocol platform not equipped to carry or bring items, so you could simply have one on each floor of a multi-level house. (I also think it's amusing that they test the prototype Cylons by asking them to kill a horde of Serge clones. Only the one with Zoey's avatar within can anticipate the faster, more maneuverable little guys and blast 'em.)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-03-10 01:06
    Even with two legs, Asimo didn't·fare too well on stairs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoCJTYgYB0 [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • iDaveiDave Posts: 252
    edited 2010-03-17 00:17
    Found this on the web today:



    Northwestern University robotics engineer Malcolm McIver was a consultant on the upcoming movie Tron, and worked with writers on Battlestar Galactica as well as Caprica to make the cylons plausible - if not possible (yet). He tells Script Ph.D.:

    One of the themes of my research is understanding the ways in which intelligence is not just all about what's above your shoulders. Nervous systems evolved with the bodies they control-the interaction is extremely sophisticated, and stubbornly resists our attempts to understand it through basic science research or emulation in robotics . . . One of the things we've learned about the cleverness that resides outside the cranium is that things like the spinal cord are incredibly sophisticated "brains" operating sometimes without much input from upstairs. Through some old experiments that are better not gone into, scientists showed that animals can walk with little brain beyond the parts that regulate circulation and breathing and their spinal cord. This is because the spinal cord can do most of what we need for basic locomotion without any input. The point is that control of the body is distributed-it doesn't just live in the brain. The lesson hasn't been lost on robotics folks; for example, Rodney Brooks popularized an approach called "subsumption architecture" based on this idea. So – back to Caprica: For episode 2, "Rebirth," the show needed some explanation for why the metacognitive processor was only working in one robot. The real reason, as we know, is that only one had Zoe in it; but the roboticists were being pressed by Daniel Graystone as to why it wasn't working in others. The idea that I gave them, which they used, was that it was because this particular metacognitive processor had distributed its control to peripheral subunits. Because of this, it had become tied to one particular robot. It's an idea straight out of contemporary neuroscience and efforts to emulate this in robotics.



    Total in depth interview is at www.scriptphd.com/?p=1748

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    Post Edited (iDave) : 3/17/2010 12:23:09 AM GMT
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2010-03-17 00:51
    The main reason there is so much sensory preprocessing in animals is that there is so much sensory data (and in the other direction such a rich array of actuators) that getting all that I/O to a single central point would be impractical.

    Most quadrupedal animals are born with a walking reflex that is entirely adequate to get them mobile within hours of birth. Humans have this reflex too, and any pediatrician can test for it, but it's not adequate to get us mobile and in fact we have to lose it before we can learn to walk for real. While humans still do a lot of remote preprocessing part of the genius of our species is that we have moved so much of what other species do to the reprogrammable tabula rasa of the cortex, where we can acquire new moves and reflexes via practice that evolution didn't think to equip us with. Other animals can't do that; the racehorse that didn't inherit the instinct for the perfect gallop cannot be helped, but humans can learn to dance.

    Still, there is much preprocessing and remote unpacking; most of the information that hits our eyes never even reaches V1 in the brain, and whole groups of muscles react in harmony in response to relatively simple signals from above. But if you look at the Cylons of Caprica there's no reason for them to be deploying so much remote processing, and that very line in Rebirth struck me as being very wrong for the portrayed level of technology. Of course we can probably tell they will figure out how to copy Zoey at some point, since there is a sequel 50 years in the future where that sort of thing has obviously happened, but I just don't realistically see it being as much of a problem as it's been portrayed so far.
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2010-03-27 23:43
    Seems like the Graystone ballbot has a twitter feed:

    http://twitter.com/SergeGraystone

    According to the tvtropers Serge knew Zoe was in the Cylon robot all along (though that twit has fallen off the page now). One of the TVTropers thinks it might be Serge and neither of the V-world gals who will become the protocylon.
  • mikedivmikediv Posts: 825
    edited 2010-03-28 13:53
    erco, I just about peed my pants laughing I had never seen that before .. Talk about embarrassing. I just wish I spoke Japanese I would love to know what she is saying after that.

    Holy thank you I thought the father was Adama it makes more sense to me now knowing the son will grow up to be him, I just watched a few more episodes its pretty cool but I wish the plot would move faster
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-05-01 03:34
    http://gizmodo.com/5528165/a-robot-with-supernatural-balance

    Nice robotic assistants for Tony Stark budgets!

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  • iDaveiDave Posts: 252
    edited 2010-05-01 05:57
    Darn! I went to put that same video here and look who beat me...fair & square.....

    Till the next time.....my evil foe......till the next time!

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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-05-01 15:49
    XLNT, iDave!

    Of course, those fairly expensive robotic assistants could be replaced by some cheap castering mover's dollies...

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  • Roy ElthamRoy Eltham Posts: 3,000
    edited 2010-05-05 08:29
    Check this out! Seriously cool thing you ride with a single "omni wheel like" drive wheel that it balances on.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PENSEenxRQo




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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,260
    edited 2010-05-05 20:15
    Sweet ride!

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