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Meet Matt Gilliland: 30W Solar Panel Kit Creator (seeking application ideas!)

Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
edited 2010-03-05 19:46 in General Discussion
Hey all,

For many years Parallax has worked on and off with a gent by the name of Matt Gilliland. You'd probably recognize his name from the Microcontroller Application Cookbook publications. He also wrote the original What's a Microcontroller text for Parallax and the Inkjet Applications book (used to accompany our Serial Inkjet Printer hardware kit). Matt's a fairly quiet guy and a great listener with all the right tools to do what our customers want him to do. So, welcome Matt!

Matt is working in Parallax for the next several months to create applications around the new 30W Solar Panel Kit. We are interested in your input for the applications side of our new kit. I'll ask Matt to post here and tell us what he's doing with the project.

Thanks,

Ken Gracey
Parallax Inc.

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  • Martin HodgeMartin Hodge Posts: 1,246
    edited 2010-03-02 16:36
    I'm interested in learning more about the innards and theories of grid-tie systems.

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  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2010-03-02 17:05
    I'm hoping that one of his projects is low voltage shop lighting.
    I'd love to replace the lights in my workshop with something solar powered.
    (Even if it takes more than one kit to pull it off.)

    OBC

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  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2010-03-02 17:39
    How about a MPPT (maximum power point tracker) using the Propeller.
    If you are charging batteries you only need to monitor the current. Maximum current = maximum charge.

    I'd be willing to help with that application.

    Bean.

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  • rjo_rjo_ Posts: 1,825
    edited 2010-03-02 18:15
    Matt,

    I can't imagine that you would actually do this, but let me tell you the story anyway and maybe there is something close that you could bite into.

    I have a Chrysler (Crossfire...circa 2004).· I live in a cold climate.· On two occasions, separated by·a couple of·years, I left my dome lite on and completely drained my well worn battery at temperatures approaching zero degrees Kelvin.

    When this happens... it is impossible to get into my car.· Nothing works... you can't even open the doors with a key.· I wasn't about to replace a window, couldn't wiggle my way into the engine compartment.· My only choice was to·wait for the next warm day... when like magic, the doors would open and I could take my battery to the dump.

    Warm days in mid-winter don't come around that often... it is fairly embarrasing.·

    There must be other reasons to have a solar panel in a car... but for me... emergency power ... to tweak my car battery just a tad...which I could control with a remote of some kind would would be the best.·

    My ex has an emergency battery supply in her car, but she can never find the power supply... so it just sits there.· I think she would have trouble losing a solar panel... It also gets pretty hot in the summer around here.· She has a solar powered window fan... but what she needs is a solar powered airconditioner... just to keep the passenger compartment from boiling.

    There seem to be a lot of car crazies around here... anything automotive· would be a hit.

    Regards

    Rich
  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2010-03-02 18:16
    I'm interested in saving money on my electric bill and that means solar.

    One thing is a solar water heater controller. You have a solar heat collector on the roof, a heat exchanger in a water pre-heating tank (prior to the regular water heater tank), and an anti-freeze solution circulated with an electric pump (in case the roof gets below freezing, can't have water!). And pump/controller powered with a solar electric panel.

    So you would want to circulate the antifreeze solution when the temperature of that was more hot than the water temperature in the pre-heat tank. Otherwise pump off.



    Another thing is you can buy a 500 watt window air conditioner. (Very low wattage so far as window air conditioners go.)

    I would like to buy say 1000 watts of solar electric panels, an inverter, and then always have this window air conditioner running during the summer "when there was enough power available to power it". So "on" when enough power available, "off" if not enough power available.

    It would not cool the whole house, but would remove some heat and would reduce my normal air conditioning costs with it running most of the day.

    Solar electric panels are very expensive, but by doing something like this, it could be more affordable. And·I want to avoid batteries because they don't last long and cost a fortune to replace.
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  • SeariderSearider Posts: 290
    edited 2010-03-02 18:20
    An advanced kit could show us how to create a line level inverter and frequency syncronization so that we could feed power back into the A/C Grid.

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2010-03-02 18:31
    How about some tutorials on how to combine the individual cells for different voltage/current combinations.

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  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2010-03-02 18:38
    Searider said...
    An advanced kit could show us how to create a line level inverter and frequency syncronization so that we could feed power back into the A/C Grid.

    Might have a few "regulatory/power company"·hurdles with that...

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  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2010-03-02 19:48
    Solar charging for various batteries (gel-cel, lead-acid, NiMH) and sans the inverter. I'm thinking large outdoor garden robots that would self-charge most of the day, then roam in the early evening and as far into the night as their charge allows. During charging they would rotate a bit every 30 minutes or so to maximize charge current.

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  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2010-03-02 20:17
    Hi everybody,

    Great ideas already - keep 'em coming!

    As I mentioned in another thread, I think that the solar industry as a whole, has matured to a whole new level.· It's evolution as an industry has been facinating (a long story that I won't get into here).

    Think of this·thread as a *wall* - throw your Solar Dreams on it,·and let's see what sticks!

    Any and all thoughts are welcome, let's see what ideas (and new products!) we can come up with...

    Remember, the downside is that all solar energy is generated by a Nuclear Power Plant...

    The upside?· The·Plant is 93 million miles away, and requires no maintenance nor waste disposal·smile.gif

    -Matt


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    Post Edited (Matt Gilliland) : 3/2/2010 8:24:07 PM GMT
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,718
    edited 2010-03-03 00:36
    Matt,

    I second Bean's suggestion of a Prop based MPPT, but since Parallax is so mechanically adept, how about some kind of servo based sun tracking system to maximise the solar collection?

    Such a system could just tilt the cells inside a much deeper case. I see this as one big advantage of the kit form, vs an off the shelf completed fixed unit

    cheers
    tubular
  • Dave EDave E Posts: 52
    edited 2010-03-03 01:27
    Don't forget the basics.

    This·will be an excellent learning tool for folks just getting interested in solar power that may not understand or know about the basics. So maybe a project that will demonstrate output versus temperature, shading, various cell configurations to optimize charging different battery voltages, explain Voc, Isc and the other solar power lingo.·Maybe use the extra solar cell, a BS2,·a servo and a·couple of·sensors to build a simple tracking device to demonstrate the advantages of tracking.



    My 2 cents.

    Dave E

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  • MikerocontrollerMikerocontroller Posts: 310
    edited 2010-03-03 06:21
    A foldable auto windshield sun shade constructed from solar panels? Or, solar panel kits sized and fitted for automobile rear shelf replacement? Use the energy to trickle charge a back-up cell phone battery or emergency flashlight. Floating self-powered swimming pool PH testers? Floating pool intrusion/zone alarm? Solar panel box kite. Solar panel attache or notebook case (more trendy than carbon fiber). Pop out solar panel books ? Solar panel dehumidifier boxes? Kits to adapt solar panels to shoe mounts for camera tripods? Solar paneled mailbox with X-Bee transmitter? Solar paneled sombrero? Solar tool shed/doghouse roof kit. Solar powered outdoor water fountain, Renewable energy powerplant experiment kit: microcontroller, solar panels, photocells, motor, datalogger software, rechargeable cells, UV meter, course manual.... OK, signing off....
  • WildatheartWildatheart Posts: 195
    edited 2010-03-03 07:09
    …projects that might include mirrors.· I’d be interested to know about the efficiency of solar cells if they receive their light via reflection from mirrors set in various configurations.
  • edited 2010-03-03 07:23
    I would love to see it mounted and powering the Stingray.· We can't go to Mars but practicing ideas down here might provide inspiration to build an Earth rover with an Xbee module to see how difficult and challenging it can be.· I suppose the electronics might need a water tight case if someone would actually leave it outside but it doesn't have to be left outside.

    In practical terms, I would like to see the solar panel kit charge batteries and maybe you can make a smaller version to power Prop 1 and 2.

    Another challenging aspect would be to mount the solar cells or make it the skin of an airplane.· Self powering aircraft is something that has proven hard·to do·in ·'do it yourself projects' because of the added weight and they might break but it looks like something I would at least experiment with.· You might use a resin or epoxy to add strength but be careful you don't glue your fingers together.
  • Timothy D. SwieterTimothy D. Swieter Posts: 1,613
    edited 2010-03-03 11:30
    I am sure some application note could be written describing power management, charing batteries or super caps and usuage and draw. I am thinking of something that could go along the lines of what Churchz posted regarding a rover, but the power management details for when and how much power to use would be an interesting topic.

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  • parskoparsko Posts: 501
    edited 2010-03-03 16:08
    Hi Matt, Welcome.

    I'm currently towards the end of a very long, painful home rehabilitation. As a result, there are any number of projects I would love to implement in my house. Most of them revolve around the Propeller, and the use of microcontrollers. I was lucky enough to be able to wire the house to death. I have CAT5e all over the place, and plan to use it for low voltage power supply and data transmission.

    I could foresee having one of your 30W kits mounted to my roof, able to supply all of my house's microcontroller power throughout the day, with the addition of some batteries, of course, for the night. My suggestion would be a kit along those lines. It would be great if each step builit upon the previous, starting with the obvious of getting the panel live, all the way towards having it able to supply an amp or two of 5-12V of power for any given hobby needs. It would be really neat to have all of my hobby projects "off the grid".

    -Parsko
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,935
    edited 2010-03-03 18:27
    With the specs of the panel, it would fit an idea I have had since I dug into POE a few years ago. I wanted to put solar on the roof to charge four 12v batteries that would be tied into a POE style power system that would power my DSL modem and Wireless router. In this manner, even if I lose power, I still have internet and the two inefficient wall warts currently powering the DSL modem and router could be removed from the grid. I currently have everything but the batteries to make this setup, just haven't moved on it.

    I will also, third Bean's suggestion of a solar tracker. A self powered solar tracker that can communicate with a wide variety of control circuits for main panels would be an ideal project.



    ps. side note to Bean: have you read Ender's Game?

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  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-03-03 18:32
    @ChuckZ, your idea certainly makes an interesting power budget project. It would be a snap to mount two of these on a robot, but I think they'd do better on this robot http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=10&m=414706&p=2 due to the larger size and SLA battery - only a simple PMB137 should be required. Great idea and we'll put it together.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2010-03-03 19:08
    Maybe someone has already mentioned this: but how about a "Solar Power Site Evaluator"? Basically it's a package you can place in an area in which a solar power system is proposed and it monitors and records the data so it can be downloaded (wirelessly? via internet, etc?). Along with its solar panel, it might have other sensors that allow it to determine infrared vs. visible inputs so you can evaluate cloud cover, microclimate conditions, effects of plants, pollen, dust, rain, pollution, for time of day, week, etc.

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  • icepuckicepuck Posts: 466
    edited 2010-03-03 23:37
    Now that parallax has a solar panel how 'bout a stamp based charge controller to go with it?
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  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2010-03-03 23:45
    I'm tracking with all your ideas - good stuff!

    We have a panel destined for our own rooftop...the plan is to have a link on the parallax.com product page that connects through Xbee to two boxes (one contains a BOE and the other·has a PropProto)·located on the panel.

    Obvious things that the demo Solar System·should do:

    ·· a.· Provide power to both a BOE, and PropProto Board.
    ·· b.· Measure and log current and voltage.
    ·· c.· ???· (...what? ...help me here!)

    -Matt

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2010-03-03 23:55
    Matt Gilliland,

    c. Temperature ... ambient temperature and Cell temperature
    d. Output power relative to the angle of the Cell as it relates to the angle of the Sun
    e. ???

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  • edited 2010-03-04 14:48
    I saw this solar powered floating island in the news and felt I just had to share it with you.

    http://www.fastcompany.com/1569339/wally-yacht-hermes-rich-people-boat-design
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-03-04 21:14
    If I wrote the book, here is what I would want to include:

    I hope its light weight and strong, for putting it into space for amateur
    space program applications. If not, give details on how to lighten it
    and strengthen it.

    I would also like to know how to build simple electronics that feeds
    back electricity into the grid so my electric meter runs backwards
    and lessens my electric bill.

    Let's see a sun tracker system using BASIC Stamps and a Propeller,
    so the panel can follow the sun for maximum efficiency.

    Let's see a facts section, with longevity, cleaning, supporting
    electronics, connecting together, filtering, changing DC into AC,
    and details about what it can deliver when the sun is behind
    clouds (light, medium, heavy).

    Using smaller sections of the solar panel.

    Using the solar panel to communicate over long distances.

    Spectral performance of the solar panel.

    A performance section regarding the panel when under artificial lighting.

    Cover stats regarding various forms of light, sunlight, florescent, incandescent,
    high intensity, etc.

    Cooling applications using the panel.

    Using the panel indoors versus outdoors. Window mounting.

    Performance through window glass?
    Through plastic?

    Can combined reflections of sunlight have significant effect?

    Battery electricity storage projects and circuits.
    How many hours of day collection will equal how many hours of use at night at given rates.

    Some rooftop mounting details so it can survive strong winds,
    (how strong?), some interface information for lights, appliances,
    etc.

    How to coat it with anti-reflection coatings to enhance performance.

    Details on running BASIC Stamps and Propeller chips. Section
    on increasing output, with mirrors, Fresnel lenses, tin foil
    reflectors, and magnifiers.

    Section about heat and UV, IR damage, degredation, etc.
    Ways to increase the life expectancy.

    How to assemble the cells into other configurations (box,
    rectangle, sphere, various single plane formations)

    How to stack cells for minimal footprint using the technique
    of solar feeds.

    How to use solar panels with parabolic reflectors.

    How to beam electricity from the solar panel to a remote location.

    How to feed and route electric from the rooftop panel to the basement.

    Construction and use of a transformer to extend performance.

    Section about using the solar cell panel from remote locations
    to assist remote projects that are internet controlled.

    How to hide the solar cell and bend sunlight to reach it using
    sunlight benders.

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  • danieldaniel Posts: 231
    edited 2010-03-04 22:44
    A section on portable emergency power for (amateur) radio communications would useful.

    There would be no need to replicate all of what is in something like www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=9531, but a how-to to create a small, highly portable 12 VDC power-plant would an interesting contribution. Think backpack or QRP operations; or self-sufficient response to things like Katrina, Haiti, or other infrastructure problems; or even power for a mountain or hunting cabin.

    daniel
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2010-03-05 13:08
    Solar Calculator

    Prop Based(Spin Program) - Solar Calculator Program to :
    - Calculate average power available to your device, over time(from the battery's)
    - Calculate how much sunlight is available daily to recharge your batteries.(average)
    - Calculate the extra weight your adding to your device by panel, cell.
    - Calculate how much charge is left in the battery's (in real time with the aid of a A to D converter)
    - Determine how many panels/ kits you will need to power your device, home etc. (volts, amps, watts)
    - Calculate what size battery bank you will need if you want to go completely off-grid.
    - Calculate just how much money solar energy has saved you to date ( show parts /kit costs vrs savings: over a day, week, month , year etc..)
    - Calculate how many trees you saved
    - Life-cycle - Determine which panel/cell will need replacement due to a lack of efficiency, over time and when to replace them.
    etc................

    Just key in some details and press calculate!
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2010-03-05 19:46
    Hi all,

    Right now we're not thinking of a battery on the roof, simply because our battery charger circuit isn't real yet. (and I'm not sure what we'll gain with a battery since the panels' main purpose is to demonstrate its power production real-time through a link from the product page).· When the sun shines, power is produced...when nighty-nite, the system is put into really-really-really low-power standby...(aka "off")

    Ambient temperature is easy, cell temperature not so much (the panel is sealed from the elements), but perhaps a pod or sticky to the backside of the Polycarbonate would give us something close?· Humidity and pressure too perhaps?·of course, V and I, and with a RTC, angle of incidence to the sun data would be cool (that would be shown in the power curve).

    Your thoughts?

    -Matt



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