IRobot2 said...
@BradC - This is OT but: All I got to say, and I will speak for the general American guy, is that if you got a Hooters waitress to buy YOU drinks, you must be like man of the year or something. Seriously. I have always seen it the other way around, so that is pretty darn impressive!
Actually, I found that in almost every place I've been to in the States. Get talking in a bar (or Hooters outlet) and people notice your accent, then you don't pay for a drink all night.
I even scored a Hooters T-shirt to take home for my then-girlfriend. Their "Three Mile Island" Chicken wings still rate as one of my all time favourites.
Now having said that, having a UAE visa in my passport also meant I got the *royal* treatment in every airport I went through (my boarding cards had so many "s"s they had a lisp), so it's not all roses. I missed 2 flights due to delays in screening and it ended up costing me a small fortune.
IRobot2 said...
As far as the Texas guy goes, we have those... in almost every state... and in the end we can only hope that guy stays put where he is and *doesn't* travel.
I can't say too much, I have one distant cousin who lives in Minnesota. He's in his mid 40's now and has never ventured more than about 200 miles from the place he was born. He's the first bloke I ever met who's real, honest to goodness name is "Jon-boy". He's a lovely bloke and he builds some incredible hot rods.
As for the Texan, he was pretty convinced Texas was so big it had its own gravitational field. I found it most amusing to inform him that his cute little state would fit into ours over 3.5 times. The drinks stopped after that.
My grandfather was American, so I kinda have a soft spot for the place, and I have family all over. I don't get over as often as I'd like though.
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Is Canada really a country? Is it a Republic, a Dominion, or just, well... Canada? What do they do for anybody anyway?
They (Canada) make cars and other useful stuff, hockey players, some obnoxious French speaking people, and most important, provide a buffer between "US" and the polar bears.
They also have made a few very nice robotic arms.
With the exception of some issues in some of the French speaking areas, I've personally found Canada a very nice place to visit, with great people.
It looks like the Polar bears ceded from Canada and have their own country Ninavut.
Otherwise all of the people who live there have so much land it takes them a
whole day to walk to their neighbor's house. I do not intend to offend anyone with this silliness,
but if you don't know what the heck I'm talking about, google a map of Canada.
The Canadian border is invisible except for all the signs from the US government that face the states
and warn US to stay on the south of the border(*). Everyone in Canada probably lives within 500 miles of it.
Also, don't forget Alaska is so much bigger than Texas, Sarah Palin WAS President of one third of the USA! (*)If you can't afford medicine, try wall mart.
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1/3 of canada's population lives in the Golden Horse Shoe(The area around Lake Ontario between "Niagra Falls and just past Toronto")
90% of Canada's Population does live within 500 miles of the US boarder. Canada is the second largest country in the world but we have less then 40 million people.
Gadgetman said...
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As for Americans using Gallon jugs of milk. I believe that's a combination of two factors:
1. A love of sugary cereals, and...
2. Not so much respect for how they treat the milk.
(In most countries they pasteurize and homogenize the milk - basically, heat it while stirring - which will give you about a week's worth of time to drink it, but if you add preservatives... )
...
Hey, here in the US we pasteurize! We homogenize!
But I think the real roots of our bovine dipsomania reach down into our healthy (but somewhat sublimated) fascination with large American udders.
Anyway, want to know something REALLY tragic?
(well, not for me... )
While bars and pubs sell something they popularly call 'half a litre' here, it's actually .45L
If you want a REAL half litre, you have to go for bottles or cans.
BTW: There's a trick to keeping the cow from kicking you when milking, which can be really useful to know as a cow can kick hard enough to kill a horse...
(Yes, I know how to milk a cow... And no, the beasts never managed to kick me)
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If you are accustomed to all this, i.e. metric and Imperial,
think about the oddities of Chinese measurement. When
I first used a Chinese tape measure, I gravitated towards
the units that seemed like inches but were not - actually
longer but close... (the c
Come on, quit picking on the Americans. I just don't think they are up to the complexities of the metric system All this moving of decimal points to go from millimeters to centimeters to meters is pretty complex Then there is the matter of volumes and weights. You know, one cubic centimeter of pure water being one gram, one thousand cubic centimeters being a volume of one liter and having a weight of one kilogram can be pretty confusing On top of that you have all those prefixes to deal with Mega, Kilo, Centi, Deci, Milli, Micro, Nano, etc.
I'm sure most folks could probably deal with it all, but the legislators? Politicians? Come on! Too much to expect.
Me, I'm an American, but I prefer to measure everything in nanometers. I figure so long as you've got no Doppler effects or strong magnetic fields hovering around, you've got some common ground for everyone to stand on. Right? How much more fundamental can it get than that?
Oddly, though, other people like to deal in wave numbers. Others like to use microns or Hz. And then there are Angstroms and then...
Let's face it, it's a mixed up crazy world out there.
Great discussion, all. From nanometers to femto seconds to half litre (nearly) pints of beer. I guess that about covers it! It seems that every scientific discipline has its own language (math and chenistry: German, medicine: Latin, etc) as well as its preferred measurment system. Most of the rest of us just struggle to find the conversion formulae·we need to get us through the day. Anybody have a favorite reference site for conversion formulae?·I tend to use www.asknumbers.com·when I need a quick conversion.
I said this in another recent thread that·discussed the "Metric System in America": The only part of the metric experiment in the U.S. that remains is the 9mm. Lots of those around!
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It's a program for multiple unit conversions that can be freely distributed. Just unzip it and use. No installation required. Very useful.
@ElectricAye, a couple of weeks back I went on one of my "boonie tours" to pm and calibrate equipment at several remote locations. I drove about 1,063,000,000,000,000 nanometers, some of it in pretty poor weather. Very tiring.
kwinn said...
It's a program for multiple unit conversions that can be freely distributed. Just unzip it and use. No installation required. Very useful.
@ElectricAye, a couple of weeks back I... drove about 1,063,000,000,000,000 nanometers, some of it in pretty poor weather. Very tiring.
LOL. Yes, as I'm sure you'll agree: the worst part of using nanometers is having to count them all.
kwinn said...
Come on, quit picking on the Americans. I just don't think they are up to the complexities of the metric system All this moving of decimal points to go from millimeters to centimeters to meters is pretty complex
As an American I found metrics to be MUCH EASIER to calculate. The problem is that I had been raised
with inches,feet,miles,gallons, etc and my brain defaults back to our stupid system as a result. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Mener Du Norsk rodt fe? Heck, that's not even a real breed!
How do you define a 'real breed'?
and be very careful or you'll end up calling 90% of all dog breeds 'mutts'...
(In fact, I consider most dog breeds, and a few cat breeds, too, not just mutts, but also animal cruelty)
;-)
Yes, I'm aware that they just 'lumped together' a few breeds back in 1961, but hey, any bred has to start somewhere... And if the USDA is willing to fork out top dollars for 'male milk', it must mean they're doing something right... http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/projects/projects.htm?accn_no=411967
Duffer; there's a lot of the metric system going on still...
You don't think that the nice chaps at Bofors bother to work with inches when they make cannons?
The F-16 uses a 20mm gatling gun...
(I happen to have a couple of spent shells, and also a few spent projectiles, still with the remains of blue paint)
It could be worse...
At least you drive on the right side of the road.
(English tourists visiting Norway is 'not fun' as they can't remember which side of the road to drive on before their second or third cup of tea. The Germans may be invading every bl**dy summer, too, but at least they drive on the right side of the road... Even if they fail to grasp the concept of speed limits... Which is why our traffic cops accept VISA... )
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"...they said the human fingernail grows one nanometer per second." - I heard that also, and under the right magnification you can even see "growth bands" similar to rings on a tree, indicating day and night growth.
but WOW! 1 nanometer per second!
The transistor gate in the Propeller II is 180nm so in 3 minutes your finger nail would have grown a transistor gate width. The typical wire widths are 280nm ... 4min 40 sec there. In 24 hours time your finger nail would have grown about the width of a single dot from a 300 dpi printer!
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"...Aren't you suppose to be doing something else..."
Well, yes, but I was about to take my lunch break.... You've notice I haven't been in the forum except for late at night or on the weekends.
Layout is going well... I am currently working on the I/O PAD (Attached is a rough floor plan of just one of the I/O's) These will be stepped and repeated.
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Bean (Hitt Consulting) said...
I had to laugh when I was in the U.K. and they keep telling me that they had gone completely metric.
Then they asked it I wanted to go to the pub so they could buy me a pint.
Yes, they buy their gas by the liter and beer by the pint. Oh, and they paid for liter about what I would pay for a gallon of gasoline.
Bean
Ok Bean no need to rub it in! its a sore point over here in the UK
In so far as mixing Metric and Imperial goes, it depends on when you were born, I personally will still use feet and inches when measuring except when engineering or constructing then i use millimetres.
There is a bone of contention regarding metrication of everything here like weights and measures hence the pints of beer etc this stems from a dislike of the EU dictating what we should and shouldnt do and although officially it was introduced recently, some market traders run the risk of heavy fines rather then comply.
Why are some Europeans So worried about what the Americans are doing or using?
This reminds Me of the European Mars Re-con. Vehicle.(I can't remember what they called it) They bragged and claimed their Re-con Vehicle was far more Superior than the USA Mars Rover Vehicle. If You Euros are still waiting on some info from Your Re-con Vehicle, I have some bad news for You.
(They may be telling its just fine, it's all Metric)
Then theirs Metric gas and INCH gas.
Let Me guess,Metric gas is superior compared to INCH gas. I do know that $20(per liter) of Metric gas pumps way faster then $20(per gallon) of INCH gas does. And I can get twice as much metric gas in My tank than I can INCH gas. If I change to Metric and it takes 1.6km to go a mere mile, I'll need the extra gas right?
Why is their 300,000,000 meters/per sec for the speed of light and not 100,000,000 meters? whoops another painful topic.
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This is all interesting - a comment on metric was very interesting. It is not a problem using the metric system and going from mm to cm to m, for example. The real challenges are going from metric to other systems and visa versa, and remembering all the conversions. I'm still trying to get some natural feeling for other units to make estimations more easy. Liter and quart - forget it! Growing up with inches, feet and miles / pints, quarts, gallons, was somehow intuitive.
I have to laugh every time someone in China gives directions, and tells me to walk 1100 meters south, turn right and go 250 meters and then left .2 kilometers. Where do they get that from??? I simply have no semblance of cognition for 250 meters. I can however, estimate a meter to around 3 feet, multiply by 250, and round up. But the only place that puts me is lost. It makes me wish for some "good old-fashioned" city blocks... But even then, there is the long block, the short block, the NYC block, and ... OMG! Which reminds me there is a long ton and a short ton. Which makes me wonder why it is not a heavy ton and a light ton. I'm sure there's someone preparing to lecture on this. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Gas prices in Norway are not bad either, some $2 for one liter. Diesel has occasionally been more expansive then regular gas. And I've been kicked by a cow!
Gadgetman said...
Then you'll agree with me that a cow kicks with the force of 1HK?
(Horse Kill... )
No! It's a scientific fact that cows kick with the power of 1 Horse Kill.
But don't feel bad. That's a common mistake school kids here in the US make, too, every time they are required to pull out their cow physics and compute a rocket trajectory.
Me, I'm used to cow physics. For me, it's second nature. I grew up with it. And it's why I drink milk by the gallon.
Seriously, you electronics people are all a bunch of whiners and cry babies when it comes to this metric vs. non-metric thing. Oh whaaaaaaaa....
Try dealing with the world of biochemistry and all the crazy units biochemists dream up so they can attempt to compare different systems of bioavailable molecules and solubility.
Try comparing test results in terms of osmolarity vs. osmolality vs. molarity vs. molality in systems that only have a trace of unbounded water. Then when that doesn't work and you find yourself still making an apples vs. oranges comparison, switch to something else, dream up your own normalization curves, give that a new name, add that new term to the heap of other "technical" terms. Then pretend like it all makes sense.
Being American and having to deal with all these different systems of units has given me the backbone to stand up to such nonsense and slog my way through it with effect. I'm a hyperOsmotic megaMole man of steel compared to my European and Aussie jellyfish counterparts who simply collapse into despair when faced with such problems. So go back to your millimeter binkies and milliliter baby bottles all you metric-only whiners and diaper-wearers, but give me my milk by the gallon and my beer by the s***load.
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Actually, I found that in almost every place I've been to in the States. Get talking in a bar (or Hooters outlet) and people notice your accent, then you don't pay for a drink all night.
I even scored a Hooters T-shirt to take home for my then-girlfriend. Their "Three Mile Island" Chicken wings still rate as one of my all time favourites.
Now having said that, having a UAE visa in my passport also meant I got the *royal* treatment in every airport I went through (my boarding cards had so many "s"s they had a lisp), so it's not all roses. I missed 2 flights due to delays in screening and it ended up costing me a small fortune.
I can't say too much, I have one distant cousin who lives in Minnesota. He's in his mid 40's now and has never ventured more than about 200 miles from the place he was born. He's the first bloke I ever met who's real, honest to goodness name is "Jon-boy". He's a lovely bloke and he builds some incredible hot rods.
As for the Texan, he was pretty convinced Texas was so big it had its own gravitational field. I found it most amusing to inform him that his cute little state would fit into ours over 3.5 times. The drinks stopped after that.
My grandfather was American, so I kinda have a soft spot for the place, and I have family all over. I don't get over as often as I'd like though.
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1/3 of canada's population lives in the Golden Horse Shoe(The area around Lake Ontario between "Niagra Falls and just past Toronto")
90% of Canada's Population does live within 500 miles of the US boarder. Canada is the second largest country in the world but we have less then 40 million people.
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Hey, here in the US we pasteurize! We homogenize!
But I think the real roots of our bovine dipsomania reach down into our healthy (but somewhat sublimated) fascination with large American udders.
That looks almost like 'Norwegian Red Cow'...
Anyway, want to know something REALLY tragic?
(well, not for me... )
While bars and pubs sell something they popularly call 'half a litre' here, it's actually .45L
If you want a REAL half litre, you have to go for bottles or cans.
BTW: There's a trick to keeping the cow from kicking you when milking, which can be really useful to know as a cow can kick hard enough to kill a horse...
(Yes, I know how to milk a cow... And no, the beasts never managed to kick me)
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Mener Du Norsk rodt fe? Heck, that's not even a real breed!
think about the oddities of Chinese measurement. When
I first used a Chinese tape measure, I gravitated towards
the units that seemed like inches but were not - actually
longer but close... (the c
I'm sure most folks could probably deal with it all, but the legislators? Politicians? Come on! Too much to expect.
GIVE THEM A BREAK I say.
Oddly, though, other people like to deal in wave numbers. Others like to use microns or Hz. And then there are Angstroms and then...
Let's face it, it's a mixed up crazy world out there.
I said this in another recent thread that·discussed the "Metric System in America": The only part of the metric experiment in the U.S. that remains is the 9mm. Lots of those around!
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@ElectricAye, a couple of weeks back I went on one of my "boonie tours" to pm and calibrate equipment at several remote locations. I drove about 1,063,000,000,000,000 nanometers, some of it in pretty poor weather. Very tiring.
Post Edited (kwinn) : 1/28/2010 2:09:08 PM GMT
LOL. Yes, as I'm sure you'll agree: the worst part of using nanometers is having to count them all.
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As an American I found metrics to be MUCH EASIER to calculate. The problem is that I had been raised
with inches,feet,miles,gallons, etc and my brain defaults back to our stupid system as a result. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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and be very careful or you'll end up calling 90% of all dog breeds 'mutts'...
(In fact, I consider most dog breeds, and a few cat breeds, too, not just mutts, but also animal cruelty)
;-)
Yes, I'm aware that they just 'lumped together' a few breeds back in 1961, but hey, any bred has to start somewhere... And if the USDA is willing to fork out top dollars for 'male milk', it must mean they're doing something right...
http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/projects/projects.htm?accn_no=411967
Duffer; there's a lot of the metric system going on still...
You don't think that the nice chaps at Bofors bother to work with inches when they make cannons?
The F-16 uses a 20mm gatling gun...
(I happen to have a couple of spent shells, and also a few spent projectiles, still with the remains of blue paint)
It could be worse...
At least you drive on the right side of the road.
(English tourists visiting Norway is 'not fun' as they can't remember which side of the road to drive on before their second or third cup of tea. The Germans may be invading every bl**dy summer, too, but at least they drive on the right side of the road... Even if they fail to grasp the concept of speed limits... Which is why our traffic cops accept VISA... )
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In many ways I think you're right about that. Mongrels of the world unite!
"...they said the human fingernail grows one nanometer per second." - I heard that also, and under the right magnification you can even see "growth bands" similar to rings on a tree, indicating day and night growth.
but WOW! 1 nanometer per second!
The transistor gate in the Propeller II is 180nm so in 3 minutes your finger nail would have grown a transistor gate width. The typical wire widths are 280nm ... 4min 40 sec there. In 24 hours time your finger nail would have grown about the width of a single dot from a 300 dpi printer!
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HEY! Aren't you suppose to be doing something else right now!? [noparse]:)[/noparse] [noparse]:)[/noparse] [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Just kidding! Nice to see you stick your head up for some air! At risk of taking this thread off track, how is layout going? [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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"...Aren't you suppose to be doing something else..."
Well, yes, but I was about to take my lunch break.... You've notice I haven't been in the forum except for late at night or on the weekends.
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That's PURDY! Can't wait to give that a SPIN! [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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In so far as mixing Metric and Imperial goes, it depends on when you were born, I personally will still use feet and inches when measuring except when engineering or constructing then i use millimetres.
There is a bone of contention regarding metrication of everything here like weights and measures hence the pints of beer etc this stems from a dislike of the EU dictating what we should and shouldnt do and although officially it was introduced recently, some market traders run the risk of heavy fines rather then comply.
Post Edited (skylight) : 1/28/2010 9:04:14 PM GMT
This reminds Me of the European Mars Re-con. Vehicle.(I can't remember what they called it) They bragged and claimed their Re-con Vehicle was far more Superior than the USA Mars Rover Vehicle. If You Euros are still waiting on some info from Your Re-con Vehicle, I have some bad news for You.
(They may be telling its just fine, it's all Metric)
Then theirs Metric gas and INCH gas.
Let Me guess,Metric gas is superior compared to INCH gas. I do know that $20(per liter) of Metric gas pumps way faster then $20(per gallon) of INCH gas does. And I can get twice as much metric gas in My tank than I can INCH gas. If I change to Metric and it takes 1.6km to go a mere mile, I'll need the extra gas right?
Why is their 300,000,000 meters/per sec for the speed of light and not 100,000,000 meters? whoops another painful topic.
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by the way gas in canada is similar to the US and we use liters. Our taxes are higher so are gas prices are a little more. $0.995 right now.
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I have to laugh every time someone in China gives directions, and tells me to walk 1100 meters south, turn right and go 250 meters and then left .2 kilometers. Where do they get that from??? I simply have no semblance of cognition for 250 meters. I can however, estimate a meter to around 3 feet, multiply by 250, and round up. But the only place that puts me is lost. It makes me wish for some "good old-fashioned" city blocks... But even then, there is the long block, the short block, the NYC block, and ... OMG! Which reminds me there is a long ton and a short ton. Which makes me wonder why it is not a heavy ton and a light ton. I'm sure there's someone preparing to lecture on this. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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Distances I have no problem estimating a km. I know I average 5km/h on pavement
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No! It's a scientific fact that cows kick with the power of 1 Horse Kill.
But don't feel bad. That's a common mistake school kids here in the US make, too, every time they are required to pull out their cow physics and compute a rocket trajectory.
Me, I'm used to cow physics. For me, it's second nature. I grew up with it. And it's why I drink milk by the gallon.
Seriously, you electronics people are all a bunch of whiners and cry babies when it comes to this metric vs. non-metric thing. Oh whaaaaaaaa....
Try dealing with the world of biochemistry and all the crazy units biochemists dream up so they can attempt to compare different systems of bioavailable molecules and solubility.
Try comparing test results in terms of osmolarity vs. osmolality vs. molarity vs. molality in systems that only have a trace of unbounded water. Then when that doesn't work and you find yourself still making an apples vs. oranges comparison, switch to something else, dream up your own normalization curves, give that a new name, add that new term to the heap of other "technical" terms. Then pretend like it all makes sense.
Being American and having to deal with all these different systems of units has given me the backbone to stand up to such nonsense and slog my way through it with effect. I'm a hyperOsmotic megaMole man of steel compared to my European and Aussie jellyfish counterparts who simply collapse into despair when faced with such problems. So go back to your millimeter binkies and milliliter baby bottles all you metric-only whiners and diaper-wearers, but give me my milk by the gallon and my beer by the s***load.