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Is there going to be another PDIP shortage?

VbrielVbriel Posts: 30
edited 2010-01-16 23:36 in Propeller 1
Just noticed the numbers getting lower on 40 pin DIP, was wondering if it is under control or if I need to stock up for the winter rolleyes.gif

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  • dandreaedandreae Posts: 1,375
    edited 2010-01-14 16:05
    I don't believe that you'll see another shortage on the Propeller dip·chips.· Once in a while there will be a glitch or two in the system, but for the most part you shouldn't see a shortage for Propeller chips.

    Dave

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  • cm5299cm5299 Posts: 12
    edited 2010-01-14 21:46
    The Prop Pro Dev Board was on sale this AM. 30% off... I like it! [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    So folks like me finally made the switch from STAMP to Prop.

    I only ordered 2 PDIPs though.

    Post Edited (cm5299) : 1/14/2010 9:53:11 PM GMT
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-01-14 22:48
    Hey there,

    Here's a real-time (2:35 pm Thursday January 14, 2010) update on the P8X32A-D40 supply.

    597 units are in stock and available for purchase
    + 3,824 units are in test and shall be brought into inventory within a week
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    4,421 units to be available (a small qty) in a few days

    Current rate of usage is 1,100/month, so the supply lasts three months. If we had no more then we'd run out on April 15, 2010.

    But the rate of usage is increasing because you are eating them like they are cheerios.

    Parallax takes delivery of 50 wafers at the packaging company in Taiwan on February 22nd, the day they return from Chinese New Year. We'll package about half of these as P8X32A-D40s, producing at least another 13,000 P8X32A-D40 chips which should arrive at Parallax the first week of March.

    And, since we test the DIPs in Rocklin they'd be available almost immediately after the packaged chips arrive.

    I don't like to create supply-driven panic attacks because we have to start allocating chips to certain customers, but we should be okay with the supply unless there's a customer with surprise demand. If there a shortage we'll try to allocate future supply to the customer who wants to buy all of them.

    Propeller inventory is building up at Parallax, but it would really help us (and you) if our customers with volume needs placed orders with scheduled delivery.

    Ken Gracey
    Parallax Inc.

    P.S. Above is a "human" MRP (Materials Requisition Program). We've got a snazzy system that takes care of this for us, and we increased safety stock parameters after the last shortage.

    EDIT: Came back to press the "edit" button because I didn't even answer your question. So here we go again: yes, a shortage is possible. But we'll be in Taiwan next week to be sure that the packaging company is lined up to move fast when they get our wafers.

    Post Edited (Ken Gracey (Parallax)) : 1/14/2010 10:54:12 PM GMT
  • VbrielVbriel Posts: 30
    edited 2010-01-15 00:45
    Thanks Ken,

    I just happen to check the stores inventory numbers and saw only 3 digits and got nervous. I thought you guys would be on top of it after the last shortage.

    Vince

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  • rjo_rjo_ Posts: 1,825
    edited 2010-01-15 02:02
    Vince

    I have no special knowledge... but you might remember that I recommended buying in quantity when the price dipped. Those that needed them and couldn't get them... pay attention. I am issuing another buy recommendation at this time... based on this fact:

    RadioShack does not yet carry the Prop, which makes absolutely no market sense. RadioShack does carry other Parallax products... but those products really belong with a Propeller chip... without the Propeller, they will quite naturally sit there for a longer period than RadioShack would like. The minute RadioShack decides to carry the Propeller, they will upset the ox cart for an unforeseen period of time. RadioShack probably reviews this issue every quarter[noparse]:)[/noparse]

    If you need a reliable supply, you should at least order now... for delivery later. At least get yourself into the supply chain.

    2010 is going to be a very good year[noparse]:)[/noparse] The way things are going... there is going to be a waiting list for the PropII... So, the next logical question is... when can we order PropIIs? I don't care about release dates, by the time it is released, I expect it to be sold out[noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Rich
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-01-15 02:42
    They should get them in Fry's as well! That's where all the electronic components moved to when they left RadioShack.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,401
    edited 2010-01-15 04:00
    Hey, I like the discussion from the sidelines. Prop 1 shortage expected to move in the same direction as oil in Q1/2010 and investors are betting on futures strongly, causing a . . . increase in price! Oh no, that won't happen. Not under my watch!

    I'll see what we can do about RadioShack. Better get a ticket to Dallas. You guys are going to make me old and tired, fast.

    Ken Gracey
    Parallax Inc.
  • rjo_rjo_ Posts: 1,825
    edited 2010-01-15 05:18
    look at as a hobby... you will live longer[noparse]:)[/noparse]
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-01-15 06:48
    You all talk of the last shortage, but was anything missed. There were discussions about who still had inventory at the old price right up to the day the new parts arrived. So, in essence, there was no shortage.

    PS: and if there was a desperate shortage there were a number of us willing to do a 40pin dip carrier with a QFP on board.

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  • RevAaronRevAaron Posts: 30
    edited 2010-01-15 21:06
    wjsteele said...
    They should get them in Fry's as well! That's where all the electronic components moved to when they left RadioShack.

    Just thought I'd point out that Fry's does carry the Propeller...

    http://www.frys.com/product/5230007

    I don't know if they are in stores, but I've never been in a Fry's B&M- heck, I don't think there are any in my state. I ordered one from them early on in the PDIP shortage- they were expensive, but I needed something ASAP. [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Aaron
  • VbrielVbriel Posts: 30
    edited 2010-01-16 06:39
    Cluso99 said...
    You all talk of the last shortage, but was anything missed. There were discussions about who still had inventory at the old price right up to the day the new parts arrived. So, in essence, there was no shortage.

    PS: and if there was a desperate shortage there were a number of us willing to do a 40pin dip carrier with a QFP on board.

    Well, I was involved in that discussion, and most sites that claimed to have them in stock, actually had poor inventory updating on their websites. Some others, still had the old price and I was willing to pay that to fill orders but they didn't have any. I scoured most every site, none was to be had near the end of the shortage. And the cool thing about this community is the people that stepped up to offer some of their own inventory. Says a lot these days.·My only reason for starting this discussion was to verify if the inventory was being replenished in waves.

    I think it's all the multi-prop boards out there eating up the supply burger.gifshocked.gif

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  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-01-16 07:06
    Vince said...
    I think it's all the multi-prop boards out there eating up the supply
    Guilty as charged turn.gifturn.gifturn.gif

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  • Toby SeckshundToby Seckshund Posts: 2,027
    edited 2010-01-16 08:50
    If the useage is at 1100/month, hopefully that is just for the DIP ones. The D40s were probably only intended for prototyping, and then SM ones used for the production but the "cottage industries" here have "misused" that.

    The Dips are the only ones that will work for me as the different projects use the same Props over and over again (sorry Ken ). SM is just "so final" as the components suffer so much trauma getting nailed down and then levered off again.

    I still want a 44 pin PLCC versions (and 68 pin, with some "B" bits in it). I dont know what I could do with the PropII as it will be too fine a pitch

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  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-01-16 10:20
    I know what I will be doing with a Prop II· smilewinkgrin.gif····no doubts about this one yeah.gif


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  • Bill HenningBill Henning Posts: 6,445
    edited 2010-01-16 17:31
    Totally agree... boy do I have plans too...
    Cluso99 said...
    I know what I will be doing with a Prop II smilewinkgrin.gif no doubts about this one yeah.gif
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  • Toby SeckshundToby Seckshund Posts: 2,027
    edited 2010-01-16 18:10
    It's true that the imagination can be pushed so much better with the PropII, it's just that the ironing just doesn't want to go below 50 mils cry.gif

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  • Bill HenningBill Henning Posts: 6,445
    edited 2010-01-16 19:46
    LOL!

    I just received my hot air rework station, and a couple of nice, large skillets... the SparkFun tutorial says skillets are easier than toaster ovens, so I will try them first [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Now i just have to finish re-organizing my lab to make space for the new SMD work area!
    Toby Seckshund said...
    It's true that the imagination can be pushed so much better with the PropII, it's just that the ironing just doesn't want to go below 50 mils cry.gif
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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2010-01-16 21:56
    Toby Seckshund don't worry. I will be having a BGA to QIP80 propmod available when the prop2 comes out. You will be limitied to only 2 of the output ports with the 3rd being dedicated to RAM but it will be easy to solder.

    my prop 1x1 is QIP36

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  • Toby SeckshundToby Seckshund Posts: 2,027
    edited 2010-01-16 23:36
    This is what I need. I was completely dormant, in construction, for a long time. It wasn't until I found that a 8051/AVR dev bd was being chucked into a skip, at work that the making machine was wound up again. From that I have almost got back to where I was three decades ago. Procs and mem are a quantum above, but so are the demands.

    The ProcII will be the most flexible and most powerful construct I will have touched, as long as the conects are far enough apart to focus onto!

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