I am always more nervous/worried about getting TO my plane with my electronic gadgets than actually being ON the plane. I am not a nervous person at all... and am probably the least likely to get hassled at the air port BUT I am still constantly thinking I will screw up and do or have something that will make me miss my flight (or end up in a dark back room some where talking to people in suits). They need to have a special unsecured terminal / plane (with a sealed cockpit) that you can sign a waiver and simply get on. You would just "take your chances" with who/what gets on the plane. I really think I would roll the dice and get on that flight. I am even more positive in my belief that I would do this every time I goto the airport. Some times even a risky flight comes down to risk/reward. Would any one else skip the TSA bs and get on the plane with me or am I the only crazy one?
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IRobot2 said...
...They need to have a special unsecured terminal / plane (with a sealed cockpit) that you can sign a waiver and simply get on. You would just "take your chances" with who/what gets on the plane. I really think I would roll the dice and get on that flight. I am even more positive in my belief that I would do this every time I goto the airport. Some times even a risky flight comes down to risk/reward. Would any one else skip the TSA bs and get on the plane with me or am I the only crazy one?
It's not that anyone in power cares that much about the people on board the airplane: it has more to do with the airplane being turned into a weapon that can be blown up over a city or flown into something else - a dam, a nuclear reactor, etc.
That's why security at airports is so strict but our borders are wide open to anyone who takes the trouble to make the hike.
@ElectricAye - Yeah, that did kind of cross my mind. But how odd is it for them not to care about ME?... Wait... What?
Lol, I guess your right. I figured if they only make the cockpit accessible from the outside of the plane then it would kind of limit the use of it as a guided missile. Yet I am sure they would then just blow up the entire plane or something. Stupid terrorist. But why would they want to take a bomb onto a plane full of people that already signed a document saying that this could happen and no one was liable if it blew up? Not to mention I would be a nervous terrorist not knowing what all the other people that are actually trying to get to their destination carried onto the plane to make sure they got there safely. Kind of like the idea of "Would you hold up a bank if you knew every one in there had a gun?".
There is no win here. No matter what any one thinks of or does to improve safety. I just wish I would not have to worry about robot goodies getting snatched in the process. I would take that as a win. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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There are "TSA friendly" locks that have a combination to keep the honest people honest along with a the ability to be opened with a key that TSA has in case they need to look inside. To me the locks were never anything more than to keep the zippers from coming apart while your luggage is thrown from bin to bin.
"TSA" and "friendly" are hard to use in the same sentence.
I see no reason to be friendly with the TSA, so I won't be buying TSA-approved locks.
At least with my method, you'll have conclusive evidence that they've been rooting around in your luggage, and the terminal workers won't have a chance to test their 'tsa-keys' on my stuff.
Anyway, this reminds me to go and buy a couple of those locks the next time I go flying.
One of my hobbies is lockpicking...
BTW: A friend of mine(who is very, very slowly circumnavigating the gloe in his sailboat) spent a winter working the luggage terminal at a large airport in Ireland. (Yes, for Ryanair... )
The TSA may be the least of your worries...
Wheeled suitcases often got stuck in the system, and the workers had to climb high up to get it lose. Do you think they:
a. Lowered it safely to the ground?
b. Dropped it and hoped they heard glass cracking?
If the wheels can't be removed/retracted, it may be a very good idea to stick duct tape over them.
Unlocked bags often opened up and spilled contents. And it was·often impossible to find the bag it had come from.(Or they just didn't have the time. )·sometimes, locked bags split open, too, because people think that a zipper is stronger than belief... (In reality, most zippers are made in China... 'nuff said... )
Sure, finding an expensive .MP3-player may sound nice... until you realise it's jammed into a conveyor belt 20' over the ground...
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TSA workers, and interesting group of people to say the least that seem to have no (Trouble Sleeping Anywhere).
In all of our efforts to figure out what we can take verses what we can't take on a plane. We still manage to amaze ourselves at what they did or did not check, leaving us to scratch our heads and wonder "...I thought for sure I was going to get nabbed" .... perhaps the TSA is really that clueless (after all most of them just sleep all the time).
If they had a suggestion box for what they really should be looking for and they enforced even a small percentage of the suggestions, it would be a very different flying experience for all of us.
I'm just mad that I don't get a mirror, so that I can put myself back together after taking my shoes and belt off (smirk) ... if my trousers fall off one more time because I had to remove my belt ... ahh never mind
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kf4ixm said...
i can tell you from past experiences as a traveling service tech with a tsa approved tool case with about 48 lbs of tools, and parts in some cases,·that tsa at some airports frown upon and will confiscate liquid or paste solder flux in your checked baggage. i've even had the small one ounce tubes of blue and red loc tite confiscated before. seems like mostly whenever i traveled to the eastern part of the us. they dont tell you at the time but leave a nice little informative flyer in your baggage explaining why.
Also, if you change your ticket departure time from the original time, (say leaving·on an earlier flight)·within a certain time you are automatically tagged for "Special Processing"
Yeah, ditto here. I once had some drill oil confescated:
Them: What is this?
Me: It's tool oil, you use it to cool your drill bit when you drill into stainless steel.
Them: Oh, oil. You can't take that, it might catch on fire.
Me thinking: "Yah, thats why I use it while DRILLING! So It'll catch on fire! Freakin morons!"
Me: Oh, OK. No problem.
Also, had the loc tite confiscated. The looks you get when they pick up a vial of BLUE liquid!!!! When you mix the Red and Blue....KABOOM!
The day may be coming that you won't be allowed to go to your carry-on bag or use electronics during any international flight because someone more sophisticated could come along:
Gadgetman said...
If you're worried about the TSA(Thousand Sadistic Amateurs) breaking your locks, pack an open padlock in a clear plastic bag with cardboard backing on top of your luggage, and add a note to use this to relock the bag.
(Then add the keys to your keychain)
Have you ever had that work?
I simply lock my bags using big red nylon cable ties. Dead easy to see if they've been tampered with and few people keep red cable ties to hand. The right people will have the right tools to get them off, and I can go straight to customs on arrival to declare my bags have been tampered with and make them do a full search looking for planted substances.
Trust nobody. I've watch baggage handlers carefully place normal bags on the conveyor and see how high they can throw the ones with the fragile stickers. If it's fragile it goes in my carry-on.
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No, I've never 'had it work' so to say, as I've been lucky enough never having to go to America...
In fact, I make bl**dy certain that everything I need fits into a small backpack whenever I fly anywhere.
All my toiletries fits in the little plastic baggie, toothbrush, paste, razor, small can of foam, deodorizer. Soap and shampoo I either assume is to be found at the hotel, or I buy locally. Instead of a laptop I use a 9" netBook, my cell-phone is charged via USB cable. I only bring two sets of underwear, and one extra pair of pants. If I feel I need a sweater, I'll wear it while checking in. (If I need more clothes I'll either get laundry done, or buy something cheap.)
It's incredible what you can fit in a backpack if you just try...
(Once, I was on a IT conference, and for the occasion I brought 2 cell-phones, my iPod, one 12" iBook, my netBook, a clamshell PDA... That time I got stopped by security and asked to empty a pocket on the backpack because all the wires made it impossible to see if anything was hidden there. The iBook and netBook I had already taken out as those must be sent through the X-ray machines separately here. No putting them in checked luggage even if I had any)
Nylon lock-ties...
Actually, it's not that difficult to open them without leaving any 'real obvious' evidence.
I do it all the time... (one of my hobbies IS lockpicking after all... )
Now, on a lighter note...
As someone mentioned a fear of dropping his pants if he had to remove his belt one more time...
Can I suggest suspenders instead?
(Feel free to enjoy the entire clip, but the important bits are from 2:10)
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I've also heard that it's still possible to buy passage on freighters crossing the Atlantic.
I figure that with the delays in security these days, that travel time should be approximately the same...
(But the food is better and there's room to move your legs... )
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I only use pelican cases . its great being able to have idiot proof luggage ..
but the empty weight is a limiting factor but now that I use Amtrak that issue is no more ...
I am just glad I work with CAP so I get some respect from "them"
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
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Haven't ever had any issues with electronics on planes, but did have an interesting event with a Hickory Farms gift set. My wife and I were flying back from visiting friends in Salt Lake City. At the terminal entrance security checkpoint, barney fife and his twin went into paranoia mode when our duffel bag went through the x-ray. They pulled the bag out of the x-ray and started asking questions so fast we couldn't really understand them. We finally caught "knife" and we tried to figure out what they were looking for. We realized they must have meant the 2"x1" completely dull, rounded corner, non-metal cheese knife next to the cheddar brick. Barney fife #1 pulled it out at the edges by his fingertips and held it up for all to see. My wife and I both laughed and said "that!?!?". We got the third degree about bringing knives into an airport (while we shook our heads and kept asking them if they were serious). Finally, barney fife #2, stated our choices were to leave the airport with it or let them confiscate it. We told them to enjoy it, but we were keeping the cheese. They were not happy with our attitude, but the ignorance displayed by "security professionals" was extremely irritating.
At Gardermoen(Oslo International) you could buy a 'gift set' of knives in the shops.
You know,carving knife, bread knife, knife to cut vegetables and all that...
And yes, the shop was located in the 'secure' area between the security checkpoints and the gates.
(No further checks for domestic flights. Not certain about international flights, though)
They stopped selling the set PDQ after it hit the newspapers...
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Transport Canada issued a list of 13 items that are exempt from the new policy. Passengers can still carry-on small purses, coats, laptops, cameras, musical instruments and baby-care supplies. Medication, crutches, canes, walkers, medical devices, special needs items and containers carrying life sustaining items are also exempt.
"Technically, if it is not on the list, it is not allowed," Charette said.
back in 93 the security at IAD wanted to open my super Nintendo I rented from block buster ..
{ good luck finding the weird driver bit for the case ,
Needless to say I was only 6 but I k
d the dude in the " E-Stop" }
I don't mind them doing there jobs . If they had some sort of IQ ..
I personalty think that all employees must hold at least a AS in " somekinda" tech and a AS in Criminal justice ..
KG6LSE Peter
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
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mctrivia said...
So I can bring my camera on the plain. Can I bring my lenses also? They are the expensive part
No.
They fear that you'll hold them up to the light and set the interior on fire.
Now, what you should really be worried about is that they allow Li-ion battery packs(in laptops and other gadgets) onto the plane.
Remove the pack from the device and smack it against a corner of something.
Instant fire/smoke-bomb.
(And they're bl**dy difficult to put out)
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I have had a few encounters with the Li based devil ..
on the train trip back home last month a friends DVD player started to let out some majic white smoke from its Batt. so I removed pack and It would not smoking so I ripped it open ans Isolated each celll ( the smell was a poofed chip not the cells them self)
this way it could not go "Cato"
then we wraped each cell again to isolate them ..
crises was avoided ..
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL
The problem with Li-ion batteries is not just that that the chemicals in them will release oxygen when heated(say, by burning the darn things), but that Lithium will burn when exposed to Oxygen. And that means it's almost impossible to extinguish the fire.
(To extinguish a fire, you need to remove either Fuel, heat or oxygen...)
No wonder that for a while you couldn't fly anywhere with a laptop...
It also explains why they don't want you to pack it in your checked-in luggage. If the battery combusts in the cargo hold, there's no way to get to it, or isolate it from all the other easily combustible luggage...
(Like all the nylon pants belonging to the geek who brought it... )
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Hence why I am replaceing the pack with NiMh AAs ..
IMHO there much more "stable".
I still have a scar from when my Shuffle blew up on my arm band 3 years ago .
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!" peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL
I took a whole suitcase full of gizmo on an EL AL flight a couple of weeks ago.
I got on without much trouble even though it must have looked frightful on the xray scanner.
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"Beware of computer programmers that carry screwdrivers." -Leonard Brandwein
It's not that anyone in power cares that much about the people on board the airplane: it has more to do with the airplane being turned into a weapon that can be blown up over a city or flown into something else - a dam, a nuclear reactor, etc.
That's why security at airports is so strict but our borders are wide open to anyone who takes the trouble to make the hike.
So it's NOT about you.
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Lol, I guess your right. I figured if they only make the cockpit accessible from the outside of the plane then it would kind of limit the use of it as a guided missile. Yet I am sure they would then just blow up the entire plane or something. Stupid terrorist. But why would they want to take a bomb onto a plane full of people that already signed a document saying that this could happen and no one was liable if it blew up? Not to mention I would be a nervous terrorist not knowing what all the other people that are actually trying to get to their destination carried onto the plane to make sure they got there safely. Kind of like the idea of "Would you hold up a bank if you knew every one in there had a gun?".
There is no win here. No matter what any one thinks of or does to improve safety. I just wish I would not have to worry about robot goodies getting snatched in the process. I would take that as a win. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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"Beware of computer programmers that carry screwdrivers." -Leonard Brandwein
At least with my method, you'll have conclusive evidence that they've been rooting around in your luggage, and the terminal workers won't have a chance to test their 'tsa-keys' on my stuff.
Anyway, this reminds me to go and buy a couple of those locks the next time I go flying.
One of my hobbies is lockpicking...
BTW: A friend of mine(who is very, very slowly circumnavigating the gloe in his sailboat) spent a winter working the luggage terminal at a large airport in Ireland. (Yes, for Ryanair... )
The TSA may be the least of your worries...
Wheeled suitcases often got stuck in the system, and the workers had to climb high up to get it lose. Do you think they:
a. Lowered it safely to the ground?
b. Dropped it and hoped they heard glass cracking?
If the wheels can't be removed/retracted, it may be a very good idea to stick duct tape over them.
Unlocked bags often opened up and spilled contents. And it was·often impossible to find the bag it had come from.(Or they just didn't have the time. )·sometimes, locked bags split open, too, because people think that a zipper is stronger than belief... (In reality, most zippers are made in China... 'nuff said... )
Sure, finding an expensive .MP3-player may sound nice... until you realise it's jammed into a conveyor belt 20' over the ground...
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In all of our efforts to figure out what we can take verses what we can't take on a plane. We still manage to amaze ourselves at what they did or did not check, leaving us to scratch our heads and wonder "...I thought for sure I was going to get nabbed" .... perhaps the TSA is really that clueless (after all most of them just sleep all the time).
If they had a suggestion box for what they really should be looking for and they enforced even a small percentage of the suggestions, it would be a very different flying experience for all of us.
I'm just mad that I don't get a mirror, so that I can put myself back together after taking my shoes and belt off (smirk) ... if my trousers fall off one more time because I had to remove my belt ... ahh never mind
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Post Edited (Beau Schwabe (Parallax)) : 1/13/2010 9:29:19 PM GMT
Them: What is this?
Me: It's tool oil, you use it to cool your drill bit when you drill into stainless steel.
Them: Oh, oil. You can't take that, it might catch on fire.
Me thinking: "Yah, thats why I use it while DRILLING! So It'll catch on fire! Freakin morons!"
Me: Oh, OK. No problem.
Also, had the loc tite confiscated. The looks you get when they pick up a vial of BLUE liquid!!!! When you mix the Red and Blue....KABOOM!
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When all else fails.....procrastinate!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/26/AR2009122601168.html
And you should feel much safer that dogs meant to protect you aren't worth detecting much:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/80881807.html
It is great they are checking but all it takes is for someone not to do their job or to not do enough.·
Have you ever had that work?
I simply lock my bags using big red nylon cable ties. Dead easy to see if they've been tampered with and few people keep red cable ties to hand. The right people will have the right tools to get them off, and I can go straight to customs on arrival to declare my bags have been tampered with and make them do a full search looking for planted substances.
Trust nobody. I've watch baggage handlers carefully place normal bags on the conveyor and see how high they can throw the ones with the fragile stickers. If it's fragile it goes in my carry-on.
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Life may be "too short", but it's the longest thing we ever do.
In fact, I make bl**dy certain that everything I need fits into a small backpack whenever I fly anywhere.
All my toiletries fits in the little plastic baggie, toothbrush, paste, razor, small can of foam, deodorizer. Soap and shampoo I either assume is to be found at the hotel, or I buy locally. Instead of a laptop I use a 9" netBook, my cell-phone is charged via USB cable. I only bring two sets of underwear, and one extra pair of pants. If I feel I need a sweater, I'll wear it while checking in. (If I need more clothes I'll either get laundry done, or buy something cheap.)
It's incredible what you can fit in a backpack if you just try...
(Once, I was on a IT conference, and for the occasion I brought 2 cell-phones, my iPod, one 12" iBook, my netBook, a clamshell PDA... That time I got stopped by security and asked to empty a pocket on the backpack because all the wires made it impossible to see if anything was hidden there. The iBook and netBook I had already taken out as those must be sent through the X-ray machines separately here. No putting them in checked luggage even if I had any)
Nylon lock-ties...
Actually, it's not that difficult to open them without leaving any 'real obvious' evidence.
I do it all the time... (one of my hobbies IS lockpicking after all... )
Now, on a lighter note...
As someone mentioned a fear of dropping his pants if he had to remove his belt one more time...
Can I suggest suspenders instead?
(Feel free to enjoy the entire clip, but the important bits are from 2:10)
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Yes you can fit a lot in a 1514 pelican case also but I may not be allowed on my flight to miami in may
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I've also heard that it's still possible to buy passage on freighters crossing the Atlantic.
I figure that with the delays in security these days, that travel time should be approximately the same...
(But the food is better and there's room to move your legs... )
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but the empty weight is a limiting factor but now that I use Amtrak that issue is no more ...
I am just glad I work with CAP so I get some respect from "them"
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!"
peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
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At Gardermoen(Oslo International) you could buy a 'gift set' of knives in the shops.
You know,carving knife, bread knife, knife to cut vegetables and all that...
And yes, the shop was located in the 'secure' area between the security checkpoints and the gates.
(No further checks for domestic flights. Not certain about international flights, though)
They stopped selling the set PDQ after it hit the newspapers...
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Transport Canada issued a list of 13 items that are exempt from the new policy. Passengers can still carry-on small purses, coats, laptops, cameras, musical instruments and baby-care supplies. Medication, crutches, canes, walkers, medical devices, special needs items and containers carrying life sustaining items are also exempt.
"Technically, if it is not on the list, it is not allowed," Charette said.
http://www.canada.com/travel/Most+carry+bags+banned+flights/2386035/story.html
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{ good luck finding the weird driver bit for the case ,
Needless to say I was only 6 but I k
d the dude in the " E-Stop" }
I don't mind them doing there jobs . If they had some sort of IQ ..
I personalty think that all employees must hold at least a AS in " somekinda" tech and a AS in Criminal justice ..
KG6LSE Peter
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!"
peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL
They fear that you'll hold them up to the light and set the interior on fire.
Now, what you should really be worried about is that they allow Li-ion battery packs(in laptops and other gadgets) onto the plane.
Remove the pack from the device and smack it against a corner of something.
Instant fire/smoke-bomb.
(And they're bl**dy difficult to put out)
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I have had a few encounters with the Li based devil ..
on the train trip back home last month a friends DVD player started to let out some majic white smoke from its Batt. so I removed pack and It would not smoking so I ripped it open ans Isolated each celll ( the smell was a poofed chip not the cells them self)
this way it could not go "Cato"
then we wraped each cell again to isolate them ..
crises was avoided ..
Peter KG6LSE
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!"
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Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL
The problem with Li-ion batteries is not just that that the chemicals in them will release oxygen when heated(say, by burning the darn things), but that Lithium will burn when exposed to Oxygen. And that means it's almost impossible to extinguish the fire.
(To extinguish a fire, you need to remove either Fuel, heat or oxygen...)
No wonder that for a while you couldn't fly anywhere with a laptop...
It also explains why they don't want you to pack it in your checked-in luggage. If the battery combusts in the cargo hold, there's no way to get to it, or isolate it from all the other easily combustible luggage...
(Like all the nylon pants belonging to the geek who brought it... )
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IMHO there much more "stable".
I still have a scar from when my Shuffle blew up on my arm band 3 years ago .
Peter KG6LSE
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"Carpe Ducktum" "seize the tape!!"
peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S.
LOL
I got on without much trouble even though it must have looked frightful on the xray scanner.
Maybe I just don't look dangerous.