What a wonderful machine, a fantastic idea implemented beautifully and so practical, I was so surprised to find it that it not only printed the results but produced plates for tables.
The explanation was also really nicely done, great to see the guy given time to explain it at least to some degree rather than chopped up and edited to death.
So, assuming friction is not an issue, if you had 100 billion of those machines all hooked together and a water wheel cranking the gears, would it ever achieve self awareness? Would it ever experience the color blue or groove to U2?
mikestefoy said...
It would seem that the Englishmen invented almost everything.
why oh why are we so fantastic
Right. Ask a Brit who invented X and he will say a Brit did. Ask a Frenchman, and he will say French. Ask an American and guess what.
If you ask an archeologist who invented "everything", there's a good chance she'll tell you the Chinese did. The only thing they never invented was good government, I think, and so a whole heap of their past accomplishments has ended up in the dust.
I don't know where it is... but if you look around for it, I'm sure you'll find it. There is an Italian paper from that period... which is available as translated source material. In that paper Babbage's math is explained... and if the paper is correct, then in the original math, Babbage made an error. Possibly he didn't finish the machine, because he didn't know exactly what he was doing. It is very possible that Ada Lovelace is the one who found Babbage's mistake... and basically covered it up. The differences between the math as presented in the paper and the final incarnation of the machine are very subtle but very important.
Fascinating period...
For new people to the forum... I have posted a prime number generator that could be made into a Babbage type mechanical device. I'm sure the history department at Parallax can point you to it... I lost the link a long time ago and can't find the code[noparse]:)[/noparse]
rjo_ said...
....Possibly he didn't finish the machine, because he didn't know exactly what he was doing. ....
What caught my eye at 1:52 is the cam stack. If the whole idea was to eliminate human error, well.... who machined those cams? And to what tolerances? And how well aligned are they? And how well do they wear and... and... and...
Ah, that old demon Error.... ((sigh)) can't live with him.... can't live without him.
rjo_ said...
....Possibly he didn't finish the machine, because he didn't know exactly what he was doing. ....
What caught my eye at 1:52 is the cam stack. If the whole idea was to eliminate human error, well.... who machined those cams? And to what tolerances? And how well aligned are they? And how well do they wear and... and... and...
Ah, that old demon Error.... ((sigh)) can't live with him.... can't live without him.
I wonder how well the thing works in reality.
I don't think the cams need to be especially accurate as they are not performing analogue computing, they could probably be stepped but that would sound and look awful.
Interesting you mention tolerances etc, another British invention I think [noparse]:)[/noparse]
I think it must have been a frustrating period in which to live. There were so many new ideas afoot, yet the reach of many who spawned those ideas exceeded their grasp for lack of the technology to incarnate them. Babbage was in just that predicament. The designs he imagined and detailed could never be realized with the then-extant state of the art in metalworking. Even with today's technology (and Nathan Myhrvold's Microsoft millions), it took 17 years and five tons (or tonnes — not sure which) of metal to construct Babbage's difference engine.
"Right. Ask a Brit who invented X and he will say a Brit did. Ask a Frenchman, and he will say French. Ask an American and guess what.
If you ask an archeologist who invented "everything", there's a good chance she'll tell you the Chinese did. The only thing they never invented was good government, I think, and so a whole heap of their past accomplishments has ended up in the dust."
I guess yo aint European.
I am English not a Brit (a dirty word nowadays)
The Scots had James Clerk Maxwell, who I admit was a giant
I live in France, and love them for their character, and would never doubt their cooking.
The Chinese invented Gunpowder, for sure.
The Americans invented Coca Cola, McDonalds, and KFC, and the H bomb.
also, the English invented humour,
just joking in all of this. I just love winding people up
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why oh why are we so fantastic
The explanation was also really nicely done, great to see the guy given time to explain it at least to some degree rather than chopped up and edited to death.
Graham
Right. Ask a Brit who invented X and he will say a Brit did. Ask a Frenchman, and he will say French. Ask an American and guess what.
If you ask an archeologist who invented "everything", there's a good chance she'll tell you the Chinese did. The only thing they never invented was good government, I think, and so a whole heap of their past accomplishments has ended up in the dust.
I don't know where it is... but if you look around for it, I'm sure you'll find it. There is an Italian paper from that period... which is available as translated source material. In that paper Babbage's math is explained... and if the paper is correct, then in the original math, Babbage made an error. Possibly he didn't finish the machine, because he didn't know exactly what he was doing. It is very possible that Ada Lovelace is the one who found Babbage's mistake... and basically covered it up. The differences between the math as presented in the paper and the final incarnation of the machine are very subtle but very important.
Fascinating period...
For new people to the forum... I have posted a prime number generator that could be made into a Babbage type mechanical device. I'm sure the history department at Parallax can point you to it... I lost the link a long time ago and can't find the code[noparse]:)[/noparse]
Rich
What caught my eye at 1:52 is the cam stack. If the whole idea was to eliminate human error, well.... who machined those cams? And to what tolerances? And how well aligned are they? And how well do they wear and... and... and...
Ah, that old demon Error.... ((sigh)) can't live with him.... can't live without him.
I wonder how well the thing works in reality.
I don't think the cams need to be especially accurate as they are not performing analogue computing, they could probably be stepped but that would sound and look awful.
Interesting you mention tolerances etc, another British invention I think [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Graham
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How many cogs did it use again?
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"Right. Ask a Brit who invented X and he will say a Brit did. Ask a Frenchman, and he will say French. Ask an American and guess what.
If you ask an archeologist who invented "everything", there's a good chance she'll tell you the Chinese did. The only thing they never invented was good government, I think, and so a whole heap of their past accomplishments has ended up in the dust."
I guess yo aint European.
I am English not a Brit (a dirty word nowadays)
The Scots had James Clerk Maxwell, who I admit was a giant
I live in France, and love them for their character, and would never doubt their cooking.
The Chinese invented Gunpowder, for sure.
The Americans invented Coca Cola, McDonalds, and KFC, and the H bomb.
also, the English invented humour,
just joking in all of this. I just love winding people up
Mike
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