····································· I was an amiga head back in the day, I remember how excited me and my mates got when we spotted amigas or amiga made graphics/sound in the media.
Not just to Hollywood,
but to all Professional producers of The Daily Product which we are all supposed to Consume and Flush,
All "amateur" products and devices ARE "Bombs". (Competitive and Disruptive Technology)
Amateur Entertainment and performance
Amateur Education to and beyond standard levels (things like homeschooling)
Amateur Video (is it all analog, or does amateur HDTV exist?)
Amateur Music
Amateur Recording
Amateur Publishing
Amateur Blogging
Amateur Chemistry
Amateur Pyrotechnics
Amateur self-defense
Amateur Medicine
Amateur Praying
Amateur Programming, FLOSS
Amateur OS:Linux, GNU
Amateur Engineering
Amateur Innovation
Inventions ... (there are no Professional ones)
Amateur/Organic Farming
Amateur Energy Research/Development/Production esp. REAL green off-the-grid stuff
Amateur Radio, which is necessarily fiercely defended by the ARRL lobby, even with saturated cellphone consumption.
...and the biggest "bomb" of all would be...
Amateur self-sufficiency
My cursor is jumping around now because even though I am using Linux, my BIOS is buggered with a keylogger.
(Hmmm. Do you think it would still be happening if these forums didn't require Javascript?)
edit:The connection that I used to post this just BROKE. (It still can't reconnect.) I don't know how. Coincidence?
This is the THIRD time I've seen a Parallax product on the screen! Second time I've seen a prop. All have been used for bombs.....
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Robots are microcontrolled. I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro. Want to·experiment with the SX or just put together a cool project? SX Spinning light display· My overstock is killing me. PM me for absolutly FREE 8-pin Mini Din connectors.
All "amateur" products and devices ARE "Bombs". (Competitive and Disruptive Technology)
Thats not that far from the truth. Lots of different things can be used for the electronics in a IED, all you need is a little imagination. Between radio shack, walmart, and the home depot you can have lots of fun.
I'm not into bombs, but they certainly don't need any electricity.
There's the old Looney Tunes ACME Bowling Ball with the Fuze and match,
and great-granpa's old wind up alarm clock with bells on it is as good a timer as anything else.
I'm gonna stop now because you made me think evil thoughts.
But anyway, so why doesn't Hollywood just duct-tape a five dollar alarm clock to some play-doh and empty TP rolls?
It's easy enough to count time backwards on alarm clocks by just reversing the playback on their camera.
Maybe Parallax should sue someone for libel, for showing their products as exploding bombs?
How about some amateur science fiction about VISTA-Win7 DRM viruses making laptop lithium batteries explode
and kill someone when they downloaded the Movies with the Propeller bombs in them on Bit Torrent? [noparse]:evil:[/noparse] [noparse]:evil:[/noparse] [noparse]:evil:[/noparse]
That's more believable than the trial of the guy who "hijacked a plane and flew it into buildings on 9/11" and is still alive!
Especially since it could be a real stunt; it has happened accidentally, and,
someone has actually already intentionally made their laptop batteries explode to demonstrate how dangerous it really is. PROPELLER=GREEN [noparse]:)[/noparse]
That could be an intro to a PropII laptop ad, with thermometers showing how the Propeller runs at 70'F/20'C as well as the
batteries, instead of the literally BOILING temperature of a Pentium 4. I can't remember if P4 runs at 150"F or 150"C but
either temperature is certainly way beyond the healthy climate range of people and their pets for sure. PC=BIOHAZARD!.
VIRAND, maybe I'm just not smart enough, or maybe it's just me, but I cannot understand what you are saying at all. To me it seems like a flow of words and 100 different subjects all poured in with no seperation between them, just kind of blinding together. Can someone tell me WHAT he is talking about?
Hmm.... I think I need to get to bed.....
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Robots are microcontrolled. I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro. Want to·experiment with the SX or just put together a cool project? SX Spinning light display· My overstock is killing me. PM me for absolutly FREE 8-pin Mini Din connectors.
·· VIRAND I beleve is saying, a bomb can be made out of all sorts of things that can be found in all sorts of places in the world of plenty we live in. it dosnt have to be hitec gagetry.
In actual fact bomb making can be one of the lowest tec things that can be done with the most primitive of tools take alook at some of the devices Theodore Kaczynski, the·Unabomber made.
(it is possible to make nitroglycerin from salt, vinegar, human poo (this makes nitric acid)··then getting some glycerin oil from your local 7/11 store. Its only a matter of mixing in fine sawdust to make "Safety Dynamite")
VIRAND is then using some black humor to point out some other equally·ridiculous·bomb making plot lines that could be used·with the whole· 'lithium batteries can go bang' thing.
·You guys have reminded me of something that happened to me too long ago.... ·
A while back (longer than I'd care to admit) I built my own Chess Clock using a BS2 and
a few other chips. ·
I put it in an enclosure which was not easy to make holes in (hard plastic). Also I did not want to
FIX the LCD (expensive then) to the box so I used Blue Tack to fix the LCD to the box. ·
You can see this blue tack around the corners of the LCD in the picture below. Blue Tack is like
silly putty and is blue. In the USA it is called Sticky Tack and is gray....think about this....
It is not electrically conductive and is great for temporarily but securely sticking things together. ·
I built this before 9/11 and I still had a HARD time explaining to the airport security that it was
ONLY a chess clock and that the putty·was ONLY sticky putty (imagine if it were gray). ·
Can you imagine where I would be today if I had traveled with the contraption NOW........ ·
I also had a hard time convincing the chess competition coordinators that the clock did not have
an inbuilt BIAS in my favor even though I built it......needless to say I ended up buying a commercial
chess clock ($45.00) which was cheaper than the BS2 alone not to mention the rest of the stuff
and the enclosure. ·
But....it was fun to make and it was an experience to see the faces of the airport security......
they made me take it apart.....if you look carefully you will see a blue tack instead of the screw on
the top left corner.....I lost that screw in the airport and never bothered to replace it....... ·
AHHHH goooood old days......·
I was an amiga head back in the day, I remember how excited me and my mates got when we spotted amigas or amiga made graphics/sound in the media.
In Sweden you couldn't even turn on the TV without an Amiga being seen or used for graphics overlay in the late 80s - early 90s.
One time the presenter of a popular TV show said "I've just been told that the Amiga has freezed", he obviously didn't know what that meant ( He was like )
Wow the Amiga was just so way ahead at that time, much like the prop is today.
localroger said...
Um, Jeff -- maybe because Short Circuit and Electric Dreams were made before Parallax was even founded?
Part of the answer to your lament is found if you ask how many bare circuit boards you ever see in movies ...
Part of the answer is in how many movies like those are being made now. It's been a decade of nothing but agro. Even Star Trek has fallen victim to it. [noparse]:([/noparse]
In Sweden you couldn't even turn on the TV without an Amiga being seen or used for graphics overlay in the late 80s - early 90s.
One time the presenter of a popular TV show said "I've just been told that the Amiga has freezed", he obviously didn't know what that meant ( He was like )
Wow the Amiga was just so way ahead at that time, much like the prop is today.
Im an Australian, so back then in Australia the general consensus was that a computer was an IBM (not a pc but an IBM) and you only owned one if you were some sort of desk jocky, seat polisher that loved to play around with lotus 1,2,3 at home. so some one like me that used a computer as a sorce of entertanment part of which was games (at that time if you wanted to play games you had a sega megadrive) and part tinkering with sound, graphics and programing.
Here·I was with this odd little keybord thingy that was too small to be a computer (computers are big·square beige boxes.... arnt they?) that had Amiga written on it and it took up so much of my time that I couldnt play around with cars! (ALL 19 year old aussie lads play with cars) AND! I was working in·Australians leading car factory.
well! what can I say, when the lads that I worked with came round to my place with their souped up V8s to show me what I was missing out on and diss my weird Amiga obssesion, aw my 2 Amigas networked together playing 4 players on turbo lotus asprit 2 (I think I may have been the first person in Australia to have a home network) most of those lads gave their megadrive to the little bro, sold their hot cars and got cheaper ones, so they to could aford to buy atleast one Amiga.....
Ahle2, its funny you should liken the prop to the amiga cos when I first started reading about it and going though the objects exchange, seeing the youtubes of what others have done with it I was reminded of the vibrancy and fun of the amiga comunity.
I said to my self "I gota get me in to this" now everyday I cant wait to get home and get in to my prop/robot stuff.
@grins73
It was the love for Commodore machines that got me in to the prop as well...it seems to be quite common.
Jeff Ledger aka OldbitCollector got interested in the prop when he heard that a C64 emulator maybe could be possible on the Prop(or multi Props).
We should stop pollute this thread with our discussion about the best machine ever
Btw, all the famous Aussie soaps like "The flying doctors" etc... was known to use Amigas for graphics overlay.
I vote for the Coleco ADAM. Far ahead of its time, and had Coleco gotten it out of the door a year earlier it might have kicked the stands out from under IBM's (expletive)ty effort. Unfortunately, it was a major victim to closed sourceness; you had to spend $80 IIRC via an obscure mail order source to get the printed documentation for the API's, versus $10 for the same deal for the C64 at WaldenBooks. It was a fine machine though, 80K total RAM, letter quality printer (if not a fast one) when that was not the norm, and cheap disk-like random access tapes (though the way they got permanently unusable if they were in the drive when it was powered up was uncool). What I liked most about it was that while most machines of the day booted to BASIC, the ADAM booted to a WORD PROCESSOR. And it wasn't even a bad one. And the keyboard used a standard 6-pin phone cable, available from DigiKey (yeah they existed back then) and with a 20 foot replacement you could do word processing on your TV on the sofa. It took some adjustment when we had to move away from the ADAM since that was not possible with other "better" solutions.
Back in the more innocent 70's we all used the Chemistry dept to purchace Carbon and sulphur, we already had the sodiun nitrate ( couldn't get potasium nitrate) all we did was make Dinky toys do the scale speed of light and automate Bonfire Night.
Many times the nitric acid and the glycerin would be mellowing in a glass somewhere. Amonium nitrate seems to be a memory, ok when wet.
My father and friends would always get hold of a bag of magnesium turnings for the bonfire, that was bright !!! The sort of bright that you could see the blood vessel of your retina, with the eyes shut.
Happy days.
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Your right about not muddying up this forum we are getting right off the "is it a prop" topic
one last thing though...... ··· ········· WOW! a c64 emulator on props? I cant see why it cant be done exept for the lack of ram it should be able to be done on one prop, if only there was a way to get more ram easy. but it seems to be the hardest thing to do on the prop and·expensive too, ram that is.
The ZiCog threads show that it is poss to have a"Z80" at about 4MHz emu. A 6510 shouldn't be too difficult, but ...
The likes of the c64 etc, of that era, only used the cpu for the proccessing bits at a low rate. The personality of that or any other was done by the service chips. Blitter, Sid ... were doing just as much/more work, in parallel.
Dr_A's version comes close with all on one Prop and with the deletion of some of his periferal mix there would be spare resources. Triblade will have greater flexibility with two(+) props.
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potasium nitrate is easy to·make but time consuming as you haveto extract it from human poo. inless you got 10 ppl all taking dumps in to large peaces of cloth it takes about 6 months to get enough potasium nitrate to make somthing realy worth your time and efort.
you might ask how I know about this, read history, there used to even be a trade. I wouldnt like to do it the way they did it... they used to mush it up with water and let it ferment to extract as much potasium nitrate as possible.
You think thats gross! spare a thought for historys dyers. They used to work arm and knee deep in human Smile everyday, the tannin and lactic acid helped to set plant dyes. (all exept the "purple maker" he/she had·to work with fermenting shell fish!)
Then you had the tanner, he used to have to make great vats of a slurry made from dog·poo, strangly enough this horrid compound was called "the pure"
WOW! a c64 emulator on props? I cant see why it cant be done exept for the lack of ram it should be able to be done on one prop, if only there was a way to get more ram easy. but it seems to be the hardest thing to do on the prop and expensive too, ram that is.
We already have got my SIDcog emulator for sound emulation.
Now we only need the VIC chip and 6510/6502 CPU... and A LOOOOOT of extra memory.
WOW! a c64 emulator on props? I cant see why it cant be done exept for the lack of ram it should be able to be done on one prop, if only there was a way to get more ram easy. but it seems to be the hardest thing to do on the prop and expensive too, ram that is.
We already have got my SIDcog emulator for sound emulation.
Now we only need the VIC chip and 6510/6502 CPU... and A LOOOOOT of extra memory.
Anything to not talk about blowing up chips.
Unfortunately I never had a working C64 so I'm only guessing based on the other 6502 machines...
It was hard to have access for 64K of RAM at once on 6502 because some memory was needed
for the hardware and the ... I think C64 ROM was called KERNAL.
Was RAM bank switched?
If so, it could be swapped with eeprom if it wasn't switched very often.
If most programs didn't use 64K that wasn't always accessible, most of those could probably fit in HUB RAM.
They (programs) could be saved and loaded on SD cards. Obvious???
COG RAM unfolds additional 16K after the cogs are started.
The cogs should emulate the hardware like SID.
Somehow I know that colors were stored in an array of nybbles, 4 bit RAM, which could be squeezed into
half as much Bytes. I know (I think I know) it was only 1Kx4 so that only gains half a KByte.
So... C64.spin would have all kinds of ROM and COG stuff ... stuffed in the spin file.
It would move up to 16K into hardware and CPU emu Cogs.
It would move the ROM into eeprom, on the Protoboard it maybe could be the upper 32K eeprom spin never uses. edit:Sorry, Protoboard and Hydra have more than 32K in their eeproms
The part that gets colors from nybbles would be virtual and actually use half as many bytes.
Most of Hub RAM , I hope , nearly all 32K of it, would be usable for C64 programs.
Too vaguely, I ... oops, don't really remember what is in the 6510 besides a 6502. For some reason I think just extra IO pins.
Is there a whole C64 emu? Is there a thread? If I said anything not obvious, feel free to copy it to that thread or
something. I really don't know how I know anything about C64 or maybe I just wrote a pile of nonsense.
In regards to whicker's post on 12/5/2009... It's amazing how people think "open circuit board" = BOMB!
If anyone remembers that bomb scare back in January '09(I think). Some marketing people from that <ridiculously stupid> show "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" put up some blinky LED boards around Boston(again, I think), and some people called in the bomb squad because of it... The whole incident was a joke, and purely because of junk like this in the movies.
Regardless, I got a good laugh out of it... The city's reaction to it was pretty funny.
I thought of this thread last night while watching a recent House episode. A drug dealer who was actually an undercover cop had bugged his own room at the hospital. When House pulled out the bug from under his pillow and held it up, I immediately recognized it...... A through-hole tactile switch (with a black button) with a wire hanging from its legs. I guess the tact switch was supposed to look like a microphone.
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24 bit LCD Breakout Board now in. $21.99 has backlight driver and touch sensitive decoder.
····································· I was an amiga head back in the day, I remember how excited me and my mates got when we spotted amigas or amiga made graphics/sound in the media.
Not just to Hollywood,
but to all Professional producers of The Daily Product which we are all supposed to Consume and Flush,
All "amateur" products and devices ARE "Bombs". (Competitive and Disruptive Technology)
Amateur Entertainment and performance
Amateur Education to and beyond standard levels (things like homeschooling)
Amateur Video (is it all analog, or does amateur HDTV exist?)
Amateur Music
Amateur Recording
Amateur Publishing
Amateur Blogging
Amateur Chemistry
Amateur Pyrotechnics
Amateur self-defense
Amateur Medicine
Amateur Praying
Amateur Programming, FLOSS
Amateur OS:Linux, GNU
Amateur Engineering
Amateur Innovation
Inventions ... (there are no Professional ones)
Amateur/Organic Farming
Amateur Energy Research/Development/Production esp. REAL green off-the-grid stuff
Amateur Radio, which is necessarily fiercely defended by the ARRL lobby, even with saturated cellphone consumption.
...and the biggest "bomb" of all would be...
Amateur self-sufficiency
My cursor is jumping around now because even though I am using Linux, my BIOS is buggered with a keylogger.
(Hmmm. Do you think it would still be happening if these forums didn't require Javascript?)
edit:The connection that I used to post this just BROKE. (It still can't reconnect.) I don't know how. Coincidence?
Post Edited (VIRAND) : 12/9/2009 10:12:01 PM GMT
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
Want to·experiment with the SX or just put together a cool project?
SX Spinning light display·
My overstock is killing me.
PM me for absolutly FREE 8-pin Mini Din connectors.
I'm not into bombs, but they certainly don't need any electricity.
There's the old Looney Tunes ACME Bowling Ball with the Fuze and match,
and great-granpa's old wind up alarm clock with bells on it is as good a timer as anything else.
I'm gonna stop now because you made me think evil thoughts.
But anyway, so why doesn't Hollywood just duct-tape a five dollar alarm clock to some play-doh and empty TP rolls?
It's easy enough to count time backwards on alarm clocks by just reversing the playback on their camera.
Maybe Parallax should sue someone for libel, for showing their products as exploding bombs?
How about some amateur science fiction about VISTA-Win7 DRM viruses making laptop lithium batteries explode
and kill someone when they downloaded the Movies with the Propeller bombs in them on Bit Torrent? [noparse]:evil:[/noparse] [noparse]:evil:[/noparse] [noparse]:evil:[/noparse]
That's more believable than the trial of the guy who "hijacked a plane and flew it into buildings on 9/11" and is still alive!
Especially since it could be a real stunt; it has happened accidentally, and,
someone has actually already intentionally made their laptop batteries explode to demonstrate how dangerous it really is.
PROPELLER=GREEN [noparse]:)[/noparse]
That could be an intro to a PropII laptop ad, with thermometers showing how the Propeller runs at 70'F/20'C as well as the
batteries, instead of the literally BOILING temperature of a Pentium 4. I can't remember if P4 runs at 150"F or 150"C but
either temperature is certainly way beyond the healthy climate range of people and their pets for sure. PC=BIOHAZARD!.
Post Edited (VIRAND) : 12/10/2009 1:20:00 AM GMT
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
Want to·experiment with the SX or just put together a cool project?
SX Spinning light display·
My overstock is killing me.
PM me for absolutly FREE 8-pin Mini Din connectors.
In actual fact bomb making can be one of the lowest tec things that can be done with the most primitive of tools take alook at some of the devices Theodore Kaczynski, the·Unabomber made.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski
(it is possible to make nitroglycerin from salt, vinegar, human poo (this makes nitric acid)··then getting some glycerin oil from your local 7/11 store. Its only a matter of mixing in fine sawdust to make "Safety Dynamite")
VIRAND is then using some black humor to point out some other equally·ridiculous·bomb making plot lines that could be used·with the whole· 'lithium batteries can go bang' thing.
(believe! ive done this and they do!)
·
A while back (longer than I'd care to admit) I built my own Chess Clock using a BS2 and
a few other chips.
·
I put it in an enclosure which was not easy to make holes in (hard plastic). Also I did not want to
FIX the LCD (expensive then) to the box so I used Blue Tack to fix the LCD to the box.
·
You can see this blue tack around the corners of the LCD in the picture below. Blue Tack is like
silly putty and is blue. In the USA it is called Sticky Tack and is gray....think about this....
It is not electrically conductive and is great for temporarily but securely sticking things together.
·
I built this before 9/11 and I still had a HARD time explaining to the airport security that it was
ONLY a chess clock and that the putty·was ONLY sticky putty (imagine if it were gray).
·
Can you imagine where I would be today if I had traveled with the contraption NOW........
·
I also had a hard time convincing the chess competition coordinators that the clock did not have
an inbuilt BIAS in my favor even though I built it......needless to say I ended up buying a commercial
chess clock ($45.00) which was cheaper than the BS2 alone not to mention the rest of the stuff
and the enclosure.
·
But....it was fun to make and it was an experience to see the faces of the airport security......
they made me take it apart.....if you look carefully you will see a blue tack instead of the screw on
the top left corner.....I lost that screw in the airport and never bothered to replace it.......
·
AHHHH goooood old days......
·
Samuel
·
In Sweden you couldn't even turn on the TV without an Amiga being seen or used for graphics overlay in the late 80s - early 90s.
One time the presenter of a popular TV show said "I've just been told that the Amiga has freezed", he obviously didn't know what that meant ( He was like
Wow the Amiga was just so way ahead at that time, much like the prop is today.
Here·I was with this odd little keybord thingy that was too small to be a computer (computers are big·square beige boxes.... arnt they?) that had Amiga written on it and it took up so much of my time that I couldnt play around with cars! (ALL 19 year old aussie lads play with cars) AND! I was working in·Australians leading car factory.
well! what can I say, when the lads that I worked with came round to my place with their souped up V8s to show me what I was missing out on and diss my weird Amiga obssesion, aw my 2 Amigas networked together playing 4 players on turbo lotus asprit 2 (I think I may have been the first person in Australia to have a home network) most of those lads gave their megadrive to the little bro, sold their hot cars and got cheaper ones, so they to could aford to buy atleast one Amiga.....
Ahle2, its funny you should liken the prop to the amiga cos when I first started reading about it and going though the objects exchange, seeing the youtubes of what others have done with it I was reminded of the vibrancy and fun of the amiga comunity.
I said to my self "I gota get me in to this" now everyday I cant wait to get home and get in to my prop/robot stuff.
·
It was the love for Commodore machines that got me in to the prop as well...it seems to be quite common.
Jeff Ledger aka OldbitCollector got interested in the prop when he heard that a C64 emulator maybe could be possible on the Prop(or multi Props).
We should stop pollute this thread with our discussion about the best machine ever
Btw, all the famous Aussie soaps like "The flying doctors" etc... was known to use Amigas for graphics overlay.
I vote for the Coleco ADAM. Far ahead of its time, and had Coleco gotten it out of the door a year earlier it might have kicked the stands out from under IBM's (expletive)ty effort. Unfortunately, it was a major victim to closed sourceness; you had to spend $80 IIRC via an obscure mail order source to get the printed documentation for the API's, versus $10 for the same deal for the C64 at WaldenBooks. It was a fine machine though, 80K total RAM, letter quality printer (if not a fast one) when that was not the norm, and cheap disk-like random access tapes (though the way they got permanently unusable if they were in the drive when it was powered up was uncool). What I liked most about it was that while most machines of the day booted to BASIC, the ADAM booted to a WORD PROCESSOR. And it wasn't even a bad one. And the keyboard used a standard 6-pin phone cable, available from DigiKey (yeah they existed back then) and with a 20 foot replacement you could do word processing on your TV on the sofa. It took some adjustment when we had to move away from the ADAM since that was not possible with other "better" solutions.
Many times the nitric acid and the glycerin would be mellowing in a glass somewhere. Amonium nitrate seems to be a memory, ok when wet.
My father and friends would always get hold of a bag of magnesium turnings for the bonfire, that was bright !!! The sort of bright that you could see the blood vessel of your retina, with the eyes shut.
Happy days.
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Style and grace : Nil point
Your right about not muddying up this forum we are getting right off the "is it a prop" topic
one last thing though......
···
········· WOW! a c64 emulator on props? I cant see why it cant be done exept for the lack of ram it should be able to be done on one prop, if only there was a way to get more ram easy. but it seems to be the hardest thing to do on the prop and·expensive too, ram that is.
The likes of the c64 etc, of that era, only used the cpu for the proccessing bits at a low rate. The personality of that or any other was done by the service chips. Blitter, Sid ... were doing just as much/more work, in parallel.
Dr_A's version comes close with all on one Prop and with the deletion of some of his periferal mix there would be spare resources. Triblade will have greater flexibility with two(+) props.
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Style and grace : Nil point
potasium nitrate is easy to·make but time consuming as you haveto extract it from human poo. inless you got 10 ppl all taking dumps in to large peaces of cloth it takes about 6 months to get enough potasium nitrate to make somthing realy worth your time and efort.
you might ask how I know about this, read history, there used to even be a trade. I wouldnt like to do it the way they did it... they used to mush it up with water and let it ferment to extract as much potasium nitrate as possible.
You think thats gross! spare a thought for historys dyers. They used to work arm and knee deep in human Smile everyday, the tannin and lactic acid helped to set plant dyes. (all exept the "purple maker" he/she had·to work with fermenting shell fish!)
Then you had the tanner, he used to have to make great vats of a slurry made from dog·poo, strangly enough this horrid compound was called "the pure"
ok ok!! enough tasty facts about animal waste!
and enough off topic stuff!
We already have got my SIDcog emulator for sound emulation.
Now we only need the VIC chip and 6510/6502 CPU... and A LOOOOOT of extra memory.
Anything to not talk about blowing up chips.
Unfortunately I never had a working C64 so I'm only guessing based on the other 6502 machines...
It was hard to have access for 64K of RAM at once on 6502 because some memory was needed
for the hardware and the ... I think C64 ROM was called KERNAL.
Was RAM bank switched?
If so, it could be swapped with eeprom if it wasn't switched very often.
If most programs didn't use 64K that wasn't always accessible, most of those could probably fit in HUB RAM.
They (programs) could be saved and loaded on SD cards. Obvious???
COG RAM unfolds additional 16K after the cogs are started.
The cogs should emulate the hardware like SID.
Somehow I know that colors were stored in an array of nybbles, 4 bit RAM, which could be squeezed into
half as much Bytes. I know (I think I know) it was only 1Kx4 so that only gains half a KByte.
So... C64.spin would have all kinds of ROM and COG stuff ... stuffed in the spin file.
It would move up to 16K into hardware and CPU emu Cogs.
It would move the ROM into eeprom, on the Protoboard it maybe could be the upper 32K eeprom spin never uses.
edit:Sorry, Protoboard and Hydra have more than 32K in their eeproms
The part that gets colors from nybbles would be virtual and actually use half as many bytes.
Most of Hub RAM , I hope , nearly all 32K of it, would be usable for C64 programs.
Too vaguely, I ... oops, don't really remember what is in the 6510 besides a 6502. For some reason I think just extra IO pins.
Is there a whole C64 emu? Is there a thread? If I said anything not obvious, feel free to copy it to that thread or
something. I really don't know how I know anything about C64 or maybe I just wrote a pile of nonsense.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=591448
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If anyone remembers that bomb scare back in January '09(I think). Some marketing people from that <ridiculously stupid> show "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" put up some blinky LED boards around Boston(again, I think), and some people called in the bomb squad because of it... The whole incident was a joke, and purely because of junk like this in the movies.
Regardless, I got a good laugh out of it... The city's reaction to it was pretty funny.
Address $0000 = Data direction register
Address $0001 = Data port
Only 6 bits used. 3 used to control the datasette and 3 to map ROM/RAM/IO areas in and out.
Good guesses I must say [noparse];)[/noparse]
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