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Help, ke km an R value of Motor Mount and Wheel Kit (#27971 )

BoyzBoyz Posts: 8
edited 2011-11-26 19:59 in Robotics
I need to found the value of ke (Back EMF constant(Vs/rad)) , km (Motor Torque constant(Nm/A)) and R (Terminal Resistance(Ohm)) of this motor, does some one know this value??

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  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2009-11-21 22:40
    You might check here - http://www.parallax.com/Portals/0/Downloads/docs/prod/motors/27971-MotorMount-v1.3.pdf

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,559
    edited 2009-11-21 22:52
    Boyz,

    I just now took a measurement of one of the wheels I have....

    Using a 3.7V Li-Polymer Battery rated at 15C 2000mAh, the motor has a torque of 2 ft/lbs (2.7Nm) at 3.7V
    Using an automotive battery measuring 12.8V, the motor has a torque of 9.5 ft/lbs (12.9Nm) at 12.8V

    The motor coil resistance (resting) is 1.7 Ohms


    I'm not sure how to measure the Back EMF constant(Vs/rad) but I could measure the inductance (resting) of the motor if that would help.


    According to this site and based on my torque calculations, the Ke agrees with the formula and calculates to about 0.08

    www.gizmology.net/motors.htm

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.

    Post Edited (Beau Schwabe (Parallax)) : 11/22/2009 7:50:20 AM GMT
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,255
    edited 2009-11-21 23:07
    Do I spy a LaPlace transform on the horizon?

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,559
    edited 2009-11-22 04:34
    Boyz,

    The inductance of the motor measures about 90.4uH based on using the method described below. I used two known %1 inductors with a value of 47uH and 100uH


    Method to determine an unknown inductor based on results from a known inductor:
    
    1) Determine the resonate frequency of your known LC values.
    
    2) Substitute the known inductor with the unknown inductor, and measure the frequency.
    
    3) The unknown inductance value can be determined by the following equation:
    
    
    F1  = measured frequency from step 1
    uH  = known inductor value
    F2  = measured frequency from step 2
    uH! = unknown inductor value
    
    uH! = uH * F1^2 / F2^2
    
    
    

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,559
    edited 2009-11-22 07:47
    To Summarize:

    torque approx 2.0 ft/lbs ( 2.7Nm) at 3.7V
    torque approx 9.5 ft/lbs (12.9Nm) at 12.8V
    torque approx 11.1 ft/lbs (15.0Nm) at 14.5V

    Motor coil resistance is approx 1.7 Ohms

    Ke approx 0.08 Vs/rad

    inductance approx 90uH

    Reference:
    www.gizmology.net/motors.htm

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.

    Post Edited (Beau Schwabe (Parallax)) : 11/22/2009 6:25:14 PM GMT
  • BoyzBoyz Posts: 8
    edited 2009-11-23 16:19
    Thank you so much, it was very helpfull
  • BoyzBoyz Posts: 8
    edited 2009-11-23 16:27
    So, i need to convrt the applied voltage to PWM signal in spin code, does someone know how to do this? The PWM signal as the input to HB-25 (#29144), and i use CJ_HB25.spin at obex.parallax. At thad code i need to identified pulse1 as input PWM pulse to Motor1 and pulse2 as input PWM pulse to Motor2. I need some direction... thanks b4
  • markustermarkuster Posts: 184
    edited 2011-06-23 20:18
    Hi ,
    This is an old post but it seems that the calculated torque is not complete
    becuase you haven't considered that friction and efficiency.
    Sometimes the efficiency of a motor with reduction could be 60% or less.

    What about the torque if you think about efficiency ?

    Mark
  • Doctor EggmanDoctor Eggman Posts: 1
    edited 2011-11-21 20:16
    What is the load capacity of the wheels?
  • Tom CTom C Posts: 461
    edited 2011-11-26 19:59
    What is the load capacity of the wheels?
    Doctor Eggman,
    The Eddie specs, on page 16, will give you an idea of what load the Motor Mount and Wheel Kit can support:
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