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Custom Control Panel Faces...

JedJed Posts: 107
edited 2009-10-26 15:17 in General Discussion
I anyone is interested, I have access to a laser engraver and can produce custom control panel faces. The material is clear with one color on one side. This surface material is engraved through to expose the clear material underneath, which can then be brushed in with craft paints to give multiple colors. When flipped over you have a nice smooth surface that can be easily cleaned with multiple color engravings/markings. You can also use a translucent paint and have the engraving light up if you mount LEDs behing the panel. I can also cut out any holes for mounting screws, switches, buttons etc. If anyone is interested PM me.
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  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2009-10-23 16:26
    Pictures of samples?

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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2009-10-23 16:44
    Price estimates?

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  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 17:14
    $15.00 setup plus 20¢ per square inch per panel.
    plus whatever shipping comes to.
    If you're getting a better deal than this already, I can more than likely beat it depending on qty. PM me.

    Example: You want 1 panel that measures 4"x6". $15 setup plus $4.80 (4*6*20¢). $19.80 plus shipping.
    Example: You want 5 panels that measure 5"x7". $15 setup plus $7.00 per panel (5*7*20¢). $50 plus shipping or $10 each.

    That pricing assumes you can send me a file ready and set up to size with what you want engraved/cut. The laser table I have access to is 12"x24" so that's the maximum panel I can produce at these prices. Also the pieces will come to you unpainted, you'll be responsible for paint filling the area you want colored.

    I'll post example photos soon as I can.
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 17:50
    Here's a photo of one I did yesterday for someone. This colors you see on the logo are not paint filled so they look a little hazy when view from the from. I just put colored stickies on the back for the photograph. If paint were used they'd look bright, when you use paint it fills the nooks and crannies the laser leaves in the surface and shows up a lot more vibrant from the front.
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  • James LongJames Long Posts: 1,181
    edited 2009-10-23 18:21
    Jed said...
    Here's a photo of one I did yesterday for someone. This colors you see on the logo are not paint filled so they look a little hazy when view from the from. I just put colored stickies on the back for the photograph. If paint were used they'd look bright, when you use paint it fills the nooks and crannies the laser leaves in the surface and shows up a lot more vibrant from the front.

    What base colors are available?

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  • stamptrolstamptrol Posts: 1,731
    edited 2009-10-23 18:39
    What kind of file do you need?

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  • James LongJames Long Posts: 1,181
    edited 2009-10-23 18:46
    One more question.....

    If you have already cut the panel before......is there a setup fee for the second order, when it comes around?

    Not that your prices are high.....they are very reasonable.....just a question.

    James L

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  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 19:23
    James Long said...
    What base colors are available?

    White, Ivory, Grey, Silver, Black, Blue, Navy Blue, Red, Burgundy, Gold & Dark Brown.
    Thickness is of material is .052"
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 19:26
    stamptrol said...
    What kind of file do you need?

    I can read most popular formats. DXF, PDF, EPS, AI, Etc. The important thing is that the information in the file is saved as vector information rather than just a pixel based image. If all you can send me is pixel based I can still use it, but I'll have to basically redraw the file in vectors using your image as a template and there may be a charge for that depending on how long it takes me. When in doubt just send me what you can and I'll tell you up front if I'll have to redraw it.
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 19:29
    James Long said...
    If you have already cut the panel before......is there a setup fee for the second order, when it comes around?

    The setup is per order of panel(s), regardless of whether the job's been ran before.
  • James LongJames Long Posts: 1,181
    edited 2009-10-23 19:39
    Jed said...
    stamptrol said...
    What kind of file do you need?

    I can read most popular formats. DXF, PDF, EPS, AI, Etc. The important thing is that the information in the file is saved as vector information rather than just a pixel based image. If all you can send me is pixel based I can still use it, but I'll have to basically redraw the file in vectors using your image as a template and there may be a charge for that depending on how long it takes me. When in doubt just send me what you can and I'll tell you up front if I'll have to redraw it.

    We would need just about every file extension which holds the information as a vector format, not as a raster based format.

    This would be a good list to give to any potential customer. I can draw in at least 10 different formats, but need to know which ones will retain the vector information.

    Be careful with PDF, for importing an image into PDF can cause problems, if the image was not vector to begin with.

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  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 19:51
    James Long said...
    We would need just about every file extension which holds the information as a vector format, not as a raster based format.
    This would be a good list to give to any potential customer. I can draw in at least 10 different formats, but need to know which ones will retain the vector information.
    Be careful with PDF, for importing an image into PDF can cause problems, if the image was not vector to begin with.
    James L

    AI, EPS, PDF, DXF, CDR, SVG. I engrave out of illustrator so AI would be the format of choice.

    Yes, some file formats (most of the ones above) can hold both raster and vector elements. As long as you are designing in vectors and export to one of the formats above you should be ok. PDF is ok for vector info, like you've said though sometimes images come across "chopped" up.
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,702
    edited 2009-10-23 20:51
    Jed, those panels look great.

    Would the clear etched area be smooth enough for an LCD screen to shine through without distortion?

    Do you know the dielectric constant of the plastic for some touch button calculations? 0.052" is a useful thickness.
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,566
    edited 2009-10-23 21:26
    Jed,

    Nice work! Would you be able to work with a GDSii files?

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  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 21:33
    Tubular said...
    Jed, those panels look great. Would the clear etched area be smooth enough for an LCD screen to shine through without distortion?
    That's a good question. The laser leaves the material "frosted" which disappears when paint filled. I would think if you paint filled it with a clear coat it would take the frosting away. I'll experiment and post back.
    Tubular said...
    Do you know the dielectric constant of the plastic for some touch button calculations? 0.052" is a useful thickness.
    That I do not. The manufacturer does not either, at least the rep I talked to did not know. I'm expecting a call back from one of the engineers. The did tell me that the material is called "impact acrylic".
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 21:43
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
    Jed, Nice work! Would you be able to work with a GDSii files?

    Thank you. I'll have to do some digging on that file format. I may be able to find a way to convert it if you're not able to export a postscript file. Could you send me a file to play with?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2009-10-23 22:10
    Jed,

    Those look nice! What kind of engraver do you use?

    Thanks,
    -Phil
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-23 22:34
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
    Jed,

    Those look nice! What kind of engraver do you use?

    Thanks,
    -Phil

    The engraver is an epilog CO2 cold laser engraver. Engraves mosts woods and plastics great, I only wish I could cut through metal.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2009-10-24 01:57
    Is it a Zing or one of the high-end models?

    -Phil
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2009-10-24 02:57
    Those panels look great!

    I wish someone would start a service making custom plastic enclosures
    with custom front panels. It could be done using one of those rapid prototype
    machines that make custom plastic parts.

    It's such a pain finding a way to make a project look professional.

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2009-10-24 04:46
    Holly,

    It's really not that difficult. The key is to find a stock enclosure the right size that looks nice and to design the project around it. I favor extruded enclosures with PCB slots, because the panels are all flat. Then all you have to deal with is the panel design, which the OP has solved very nicely. Most people design a PCB, then go looking for an enclosure to fit it. That almost never works without some severe compromises. Stock enclosures: easy. Custom control panels: easy. Custom PCBs: easy. Custom enclosures: hard.

    -Phil

    Post Edited (Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)) : 10/24/2009 4:51:36 AM GMT
  • sam_sam_samsam_sam_sam Posts: 2,286
    edited 2009-10-24 14:44
    Phil Pilgrim

    Can you Post a link to where you get Stock enclosures:

    Thanks

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2009-10-24 18:10
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2009-10-24 18:20
    Phil I wouldn't agree that they are 'hard'. I would say that custom enclosures just require a bit more time to create a drawing that a fabricator can run with. The other factor is cost. I have been doing several custom metal enclosures lately and they are rather cheap. I create a drawing on paper in 3D with dimensions and send it to a metal fab place in Orange Ca, he gives me back the parts in 3 days. Proto quantities of 1-4 were around $50 a piece. The parts required several bends, spot welds, press fit nuts. All precision made on CNC and computerized tools.

    For plastic you can get molds for around $500 - $700 per mold. IF you designed the box right you could have one mold create all the parts. Running the parts is an insignificant cost in the area of a few cents to a few dollars a part.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2009-10-25 03:21
    I guess my point was that there are a ton of outfits offering stock plastic or metal enclosures for relatively cheap: Bud, Hammond, Flambeau, Pac-Tec, Polycase, OKW, Phoenix Contact, Pomona, Rose+Bopla, Lansing, etc. (and this deosn't even scratch the surface). It's a highly-competitive market. It you start from a stock enclosure and design a PCB to fit, you can save money on short-run production, compared with custom PCBs and custom enclosures. Choosing a stock enclosure that employs flat panels simplifies things even further.

    -Phil
  • sam_sam_samsam_sam_sam Posts: 2,286
    edited 2009-10-26 00:21
    Phil

    Thanks for the link

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  • MorrolanMorrolan Posts: 98
    edited 2009-10-26 10:36
    Just so you know, this is your competition:

    www.frontpanelexpress.com/

    However in order to order from them you must use their software to design your panel.

    They also sell enclosures but they don't do custom sizes, ut they have a decent range of "stock" enclosures.

    Not used them yet but I found them a while ago when looking at possible options for a project.

    Cheers,
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  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-26 14:56
    OK, so clear paint fill works. It's not entirely optically clear, but pretty close. The closer the component to the back of the material the clearer it looks. I don't know that I'd recommend it for anything like an LCD monitor or touch screen - anything with a lot of detail, but for LED digit displays should look good.
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-26 14:59
    Morrolan said...
    Just so you know, this is your competition:

    www.frontpanelexpress.com/

    However in order to order from them you must use their software to design your panel.

    They also sell enclosures but they don't do custom sizes, ut they have a decent range of "stock" enclosures.

    Not used them yet but I found them a while ago when looking at possible options for a project.

    Cheers,
    Morrolan

    I ran across them a while back, but from what I could see they only do aluminum panels, which would not give the ability to custom paint the engraving yourselves nor back-light the engraving if you chose.
  • JedJed Posts: 107
    edited 2009-10-26 15:17
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
    Is it a Zing or one of the high-end models? -Phil

    It's a higher watt commercial model.
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