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who said: "No matter how thin you slice it, it is still baloney" ?

AleAle Posts: 2,363
edited 2009-10-01 16:51 in General Discussion
I read it somewhere but I do not remember who said it, why or where I read it. But I cannot put it out of my head...
The phrase may not be 100% accurate in its wording but on its meaning if I understand it correctly, english is not my mother language.

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Post Edited (Ale) : 9/29/2009 9:32:01 AM GMT

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-12 14:38
    It's probably not baloney that is used in the original recipe, but it's not appropriate for me to divulge the actual ingredients on the forum - I'd probably get expelled.

    In any case, it doesn't sound like the quote of a single person. It sounds like something many people say every day, with variations. It's what we call a "colloquialism." So if you feel the need to quote it, just start out by saying, "Like the old saying goes That doesn't change the fact that it is still baloney....

    At least that is my American mid-western WonderBread-raised take on this. smile.gif
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2009-09-12 14:49
    Oscar Mayer?



    I think that the phrase you're looking for here is "No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney". As ElectricAye said, it's not really any person's quote, but rather a common saying. Of course someone must have said it first, but I doubt that we know who that someone was (unless it's one of the many that originated with Shakespeare, and of course even then we're not sure who really said it).
  • AleAle Posts: 2,363
    edited 2009-09-12 16:34
    Yes, silvie. Yes. that's exactly the phrase !!

    EAye: it was boloney wink.gif.

    It means something along the lines: it does not matter how you decorate a pig because it is still a pig. I guess.

    btw: I think I read it in the quotes at IMDB but I am not sure...

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  • AleAle Posts: 2,363
    edited 2009-09-29 09:29
    The correct quote is "No matter how thin you slice it, it is still baloney" from Alfred E. Smith.

    This quote shows in the log files of the Gaussian 03 group of programs. (Soft to do ab-initio calculations on chemical structures).

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  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 11:06
    Al Smith, 1933. It's also the title of a book of humorous quotations by Jean Arbeiter. Less than 60 seconds on Google.

    Smith may merely have been repeating a common expression.

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  • AleAle Posts: 2,363
    edited 2009-09-29 12:22
    Carl: I changed the title to reflect the exact quote, of course I know google is my friend and I did googled what I remembered at the time !

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-29 14:01
    Carl Hayes said...
    Al Smith, 1933.....Less than 60 seconds on Google....

    Carl,

    I am not impressed. If you were able to Google that in less than 60 seconds, it is only because you stand on the shoulders of giants. Didn't it ever occur to you that all of us who have slaved for hours and hours on Google trying to answer Ale's question have caused the correct search result to rise to the top of Google's search ranking? Your claim to victory is an empty one. So I am throwing down the gauntlet here: Google me a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line in the corner of a room where a wavy wall meets a wavy wall, and I'll reconsider your status.

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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2009-09-29 14:15
    got the answer.

    get a rolling chair the same height you want to draw the line and tape your paint brush to it.

    as long as the floor is not wavy this will work and costs nothing assuming you already have the chair. If you don't have a chair you can get a cheap lazer level at walmart for $14

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  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2009-09-29 14:21
    Stick a piece of quarter round in the corner OR use the same color on both walls and forget the line OR rebuild the wall(s).

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  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 14:45
    ElectricAye said...
    Carl Hayes said...
    Al Smith, 1933.....Less than 60 seconds on Google....

    Carl,

    I am not impressed. If you were able to Google that in less than 60 seconds, it is only because you stand on the shoulders of giants. Didn't it ever occur to you that all of us who have slaved for hours and hours on Google trying to answer Ale's question have caused the correct search result to rise to the top of Google's search ranking? Your claim to victory is an empty one. So I am throwing down the gauntlet here: Google me a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line in the corner of a room where a wavy wall meets a wavy wall, and I'll reconsider your status.

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  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 15:41
    ElectricAye said...
    Carl Hayes said...
    Al Smith, 1933.....Less than 60 seconds on Google....

    Carl,

    I am not impressed. If you were able to Google that in less than 60 seconds, it is only because you stand on the shoulders of giants. Didn't it ever occur to you that all of us who have slaved for hours and hours on Google trying to answer Ale's question have caused the correct search result to rise to the top of Google's search ranking? Your claim to victory is an empty one. So I am throwing down the gauntlet here: Google me a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line in the corner of a room where a wavy wall meets a wavy wall, and I'll reconsider your status.

    Tragic, that you should miss the opportunity to use the word crinkle-crankle.· A wavy wall, or fence, has, in your part of the world, for centuries been called a crinkum-crankum wall,· or (earlier) a crinkle-crankle wall.· One may spend decades hoping for an opportunity to use a word like that, and you missed it.

    Alas.

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    Post Edited (Carl Hayes) : 9/29/2009 3:56:50 PM GMT
  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 15:48
    ElectricAye said...
    Carl Hayes said...
    Al Smith, 1933.....Less than 60 seconds on Google....

    Carl,

    I am not impressed. If you were able to Google that in less than 60 seconds, it is only because you stand on the shoulders of giants. Didn't it ever occur to you that all of us who have slaved for hours and hours on Google trying to answer Ale's question have caused the correct search result to rise to the top of Google's search ranking? Your claim to victory is an empty one. So I am throwing down the gauntlet here: Google me a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line in the corner of a room where a wavy wall meets a wavy wall, and I'll reconsider your status.

    cool.gif

    Who needs Google for that?· Use a rotating laser level to project the line on the walls.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-29 16:24
    Carl Hayes said...
    ElectricAye said...


    Carl Hayes said...

    Al Smith, 1933.....Less than 60 seconds on Google....

    Carl,

    I am not impressed. If you were able to Google that in less than 60 seconds, it is only because you stand on the shoulders of giants. Didn't it ever occur to you that all of us who have slaved for hours and hours on Google trying to answer Ale's question have caused the correct search result to rise to the top of Google's search ranking? Your claim to victory is an empty one. So I am throwing down the gauntlet here: Google me a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line in the corner of a room where a wavy wall meets a wavy wall, and I'll reconsider your status.

    cool.gif




    Who needs Google for that? Use a rotating laser level to project the line on the walls.

    C'mon Carl,

    I said "a cheap and easy way to paint a straight line" not project one. It's one thing to project the geometry, it's quite another to paint it. I've tried several devices that are supposed to paint straight lines, make an easy job of trimming, etc. And I've talked to dozens of people on how to do it: so far everyone agrees it's impossible. As for "crinkum-crankum" or whatever, I've never heard that term. The quarter round idea doesn't sound bad, but then I end up with a wavy quarter round instead of a wavy paint line. Carl, can you stand a little higher on Newton there? maybe on your tippy toes or step on up to Einstein's ear? The wife wants different walls painted in different colors and the end result looks non-Newtonian.

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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2009-09-29 16:34
    woops was thinking horizontal line like a boarder.

    laser levels can be used to draw vertical lines also. you then just need to trace it.

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  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2009-09-29 16:53
    Patience and masking tape. Let the first color dry thoroughly, apply masking tape, then second color. Remove tape before second color dries completely to avoid problems.
  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 17:28
    mctrivia said...
    woops was thinking horizontal line like a boarder.

    laser levels can be used to draw vertical lines also. you then just need to trace it.

    I haven't figured out yet whether the line desired is vertical or horizontal, but I'm sure a boarder, no matter how much rent he pays, won't help much in painting a border.

    If the desired line is vertical, a plumb-bob on a string, with a lamp to cast its shadow on the wall, will serve as a nice guide.

    If the desired line is horizontal, a piece of transparent hose with water in it can be used to make a true orizontal.· Hold up both ends, and the water always comes to the same height in the hose at both ends.· Make a mark on the wall at the desired height.· Have a helper move one end of the hose up and down to keep the water exactly on the mark while you move around with the other end to mark the same height at various places on the wall.· Use these marks as a guide for placing masking tape.



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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-29 18:21
    Carl Hayes said...

    I haven't figured out yet whether the line desired is vertical or horizonta....

    Where wall meets wall is vertical (sorta). Where ceiling meets wall is somewhat horizontal.

    Carl, your string theory sounds good, and I thank you for your interest, but I'm afraid that you'll encounter a penumbral sort of situation with that. Even lasers give you a diffractive headache.

    As for masking tape, there is a special place in hell for the marketing department of all those companies that sell that sort of tape, blue tape, etc. It really just doesn't work. You get dendrites of paint seeping under it no matter how hard you try to press it down. And then, unless you employ a razor blade and infinite patience to cut it free, it will rip off parts of your paint job when you remove it later on. 3M has made tons of money off the stuff, but everyone to whom I've talked (who has actually used the stuff) agrees it's a lie. One thing I've noticed when it comes to gadgets: when you see lots and lots of solutions to a single problem, you can bet that none of them works very well. And so it seems to be with painting trim and getting the lines "straight". confused.gif And remember, it's about actually getting paint on the walls, not just creating a nice optical line to marvel at whilst the paint turns to crust on my brush.

    C'mon Carl, your 60 seconds is almost up! tongue.gif
  • SRLMSRLM Posts: 5,045
    edited 2009-09-29 20:49
    ElectricAye said...
    You get dendrites of paint seeping under it no matter how hard you try to press it down. And then, unless you employ a razor blade and infinite patience to cut it free, it will rip off parts of your paint job when you remove it later on. 3M has made tons of money off the stuff, but everyone to whom I've talked (who has actually used the stuff) agrees it's a lie.

    I have only one personal experience with large scale painting, but I helped my dad paint his boat. We used the green masking tape that comes in a plastic bin, and it worked out very well. There was very little seeping, and no pulling of paint when removing the tape. We pulled the tape off parallel to the tape the is still on the surface (as opposed to perpendicular). A note to make here is that the surface was glossy painted fiberglass.
  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-09-29 21:16
    ElectricAye said...

    Carl, your string theory sounds good, and I thank you for your interest, but I'm afraid that you'll encounter a penumbral sort of situation with that. Even lasers give you a diffractive headache.
    Ah so.· I hadn't realized we were playing that game described in Games People Play·by Eric Berne:· "Why Don't You -- Yes, But"

    If paint seeps under the edges of your masking tape, either you didn't press it down adequately, or (more likely) you're spraying too wet an initial coat.· Work on your spray technique.· Spray a mist coat, then a fairly dry coat, then several thin coats, with some drying time in between.

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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2009-09-30 13:58
    i havent had any problems using laser levels to make strait lines. the $600 self leveling one my last emplyer had works a lot beter then my $14 one but both work well. The $600 one can just give you a perfectly level perfectly 90 grid of lines even 200' away where my $14 needs to be hand alined carefully and is only visible in a dimly lit room 10-20' away.

    Carl Hayes thanks for pointing out my spelling sucks.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-30 13:59
    SRLM said...
    ....We used the green masking tape that comes in a plastic bin, and it worked out very well. There was very little seeping, and no pulling of paint when removing the tape.....

    Hmmmm. You are the third person to speak of this mythical green tape. I have heard it can do wondrous things - like actually work. Rumor is that it has some kind of gel adhesive that prevents dendrites, etc. A worker at Home Depot told me that it is the only thing that actually works but couldn't remember the name of it but to beware of knock-offs since it tends to be expensive. Do you happen to remember where you got it?

    @ Carl, gosh I hope you aren't mad at me for joking around.

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  • mctriviamctrivia Posts: 3,772
    edited 2009-09-30 14:23
    all the painters i work with use green tape. no clue where they get it though.

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  • PyrotomPyrotom Posts: 84
    edited 2009-09-30 15:00
    The magical green masking tape can be found at stores that sell automotive painting supplies. I use a lot of it in pyrotechnics - it is stronger and stickier than any of the other types of masking tape. My local Sherwin-Williams store also sells it. I am told that there are actually two kinds of green masking tape, but I can't tell the difference in the stuff I have used. Note that no matter what kind of masking tape you use, you should strip it off as soon as the paint is dry for best results.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-09-30 15:24
    Okay,

    so now I'm beginning to believe in green tape. If the seers of the Sandbox have verified it's existence, it must be more than mere legend.

    thanks you guys,
    Mark
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  • AleAle Posts: 2,363
    edited 2009-09-30 15:35
    Now you only have to start believing in little green men and all is sorted out wink.gif

    Did I miss something here ? [noparse]:green:[/noparse]

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  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2009-09-30 16:49
    Oh boy, another errand to run. Where do they sell automotive painting supplies? Pyrotom's description makes the stuff sound perfect for high power rocketry.

    About two months ago I discovered flourescent orange duct tape, which is pretty close to the Holy Grail for rocketeer supplies.
  • SRLMSRLM Posts: 5,045
    edited 2009-09-30 22:27
    The green tape I used came from Lowes. Their website seemed to have several different varieties.

    www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=309070-56131-187516&lpage=none
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2009-10-01 16:51
    SRLM said...
    The green tape I used came from Lowes. Their website seemed to have several different varieties.

    www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=309070-56131-187516&lpage=none

    But why do they call it Frog Tape? Oh no- Please don't tell me they grind up frog tongues to make it sticky. Say it ain't so! sad.gif
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