Sensing an ON condition inductively through a power cord.

LoopyByteloose

I would like to be able to use a Hall Effect transistor to sense when an A/C or TV is running so that I can confirm that it needs to be turned off via transmiting IR to its remote control sensor. Any suggestions of how to build a sensor that can be attached to the outside of the power cords?

The problem is that the remote control toggles ON and OFF and expects a human to be present to observe which condition is present. So I need a redundant system to verify the ON or OFF status.

I can provide a robotic control that both transmits and receives IR. SO the current sensor can provide a signature identity and condition in IR which will help the robotic control.

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Leon

Hall effect current measuring devices made by Allegro have a copper conduction path just above the die that has to go in-line with the supply. It might be easier to use a current transformer.

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LoopyByteloose

Yeah, I have seen that current induction transformers are a very viable alternative. The truth is that I am abandoning this for now as I would have wire everywhere to monitor current.

In the everyday world, power outlets are distributed about every 3 meters along a wall. That distribution creates a very large barrier to centralized home automation. Unless each outlet were to provide a twist pair that could be fed to a centralized microprocessor for each room, not much could be done.

I'm not ready to rip up baseboard and install wire for this. One day, there may be a commercial market for AC power outlets with built in current sense that feed data for remote monitoring. Someone will make a bundle on it, but not me.

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kwinn

You could always build a wireless module that plugs into the wall outlet much like the X10 units do, or use the power lines like X10 does.

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Prettybird

I use to use a torrad (doughnut shaped coit used in swithching power supplys ) with 1 or 2 loops around it to mesure changes in current for servo motors in CNC machinery. Measured directly with a digital multi meter. You could amplfly the signal with aan op amp and just figure how to calabrate it compairing to a clamp on ampmeter. An inexpensive way to go. You could install one where the pain power comes in (with great caution) and measure the whole house if you want. If you are a beginner I suggest to get an electrician to help. Main power is dangerous. Remember to loop only 1 wire, not both.

CounterRotatingProps

Loopy,

take a look at the COIL_demo.spin in the prop tool's "library" folder - I've done what pretty much what PrettyBird suggested, but even simpler: just wound a bunch of loops around one line of a power cord and op-amped the signal, but, as he mentions, you can't wrap it around the whole cord (I think because it gets phase cancelled, like a twisted pair cable.) All the CT's I've seen go around just one leg of the line. So, right, all you need is a bit of current to tell it's on, right?

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Ugha

Have you thought about using an SX and a cheap wireless module? You can get a wireless
transmitter/receiver pair for around $15 on some sites. They work pretty good, they lose
data a sometimes but you make up for this by sending repeated transmissions and a
checksum.

You could have a monitor on each outlet pretty cheaply.