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wperko
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Hi,
Once again the forums prove to be full of morons and fantasy rather than help.
Post Edited (wperko) : 5/13/2009 7:22:09 PM GMT
Once again the forums prove to be full of morons and fantasy rather than help.
Post Edited (wperko) : 5/13/2009 7:22:09 PM GMT
Comments
-Phil
I'm certainly not suggesting that you fall into the "troublesome" category, but for someone who's been in business as long as I have, the NDNC tends to be a red flag — especially when no details about the proposed venture are offered in advance. I guess what I'm suggesting is that, if you must go the NDNC route, at least dangle some bait ahead of it that might attract a potential contractor.
In any event, I wish you well with your venture!
-Phil
I have signed a couple NDNC contracts, but they are nothing but bad mojo for the consultant.
Every NDNC I've ever seen is so open-ended that almost ANYTHING you work on could be covered.
Anytime you work on something even remotely related, you have to worry about getting sued.
If your idea is so easily copied, then a patent is not going to help. Unless you have millions of dollars to pay lawyers that is...
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I was going to say the same thing. Because we are a group of designers/programmers/thinkers, a NDNC would have to be extremely specific to the project. Many times one idea spurs another in this forum, and there are projects which are similar in design, but not function.
I really feel, you probably will not find anyone here proficient with the propeller, who is a business man working with the propeller, that would sign a NDNC. It could potentially put them out of work, even if the project doesn't make a dime.
James L
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James L
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--Steve
Propalyzer: Propeller PC Logic Analyzer
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=788230
Wow, 6 months. I've seen NDNC's that lasted 7 years.
We work on a lot of different projects, so I couldn't sign a blanket NDNC.
and your comment of a bunch of morons is uncalled for. If you think we are morons, why are you asking for us to help?? Jump in and learn it all, then you can do it yourself, no NDNC needed!!
James L
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James L
Partner/Designer
Lil Brother SMT Assembly Services
Very handy icon, that little thumbs down
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James, we are not intellectual property slaves in California [noparse]:)[/noparse] That's one reason Silicon Valley is so prosperous. Vulture capital is another [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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--Steve
Propalyzer: Propeller PC Logic Analyzer
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=788230
If the cap fits ...
Leon
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Of which you were a percentage .. what is the benefit of such a comment .. and you were looking for 'Help' ! Man - That's clever..
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-Phil
Post Edited (Dr_Acula (James Moxham)) : 5/14/2009 2:08:55 AM GMT
Non-Disclosure is enforceable, though stealing intellectual property is theft, whether there's a non disclosure or not. Personally, I wish I had some intellectual property worth stealing!
The whole discussion reminds me of a quote I read from Howard Aiken,
"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats."
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Post Edited (Nick McClick) : 5/14/2009 3:03:05 AM GMT
Wow. But, hey, if this forum is full of moronic fantasizers, the world needs more of them.
So here's to all you moronic fantasizers here on the forum: without you, I'd be lost.
cheers,
Mark
I tried to post a poem by Sylvia Plath... must have been too long for a quick reply.
On most forums, this sort of situation would quickly deteriorate... no chance of that happening here of course[noparse]:)[/noparse]
Something obviously tripped your trigger in this thread. But I can't figure out what it was,
because everyone can modify their posts here... and I'd have investigate it further to figure it out exactly what happened.
I read the thread linked by Phil. If you go back and read it carefully, you will see that the guys were trying to help, and they were doing it the same way that they always do... "tell me what you are doing otherwise, I'm as stumped as you are." And then the thread went dead. Did you ever get it to work? What was the problem? Most of the time, the guys really like to know what happened. AND if it happened to you... chances are it is going to happen to lots of people. So the problem is worth going after.
Over the years, I've employed about 400 different people, and at one time had more employees doing research than Parallax has employees.
I've only had a contract with a hand full of employees. As far as I can remember, I only had one "restrictive covenant." And that was with a guy I was paying a huge amount of money, and I thought he might turn out to be an ***....le. The limitation was that he couldn't open an office in the same town for a couple of months.
It is possible to write a reasonable restrictive covenant. You can specify a particular market for a particular period. Most guys would sign it.
But there are only so many ways to do things... and if you tell a guy he can't use his own intellectual property for his own purposes. then I think you are going to get the kinds of responses that you got here... "Thanks, but no thanks."
There have been guys who got themselves really shafted, and the mechanism of the shafting was a restrictive covenant of some sort... which was actually used to make unfair claims upon a person's intellectual property or right to work for a competitor. There are protections built into case law ... but most guys don't want to get a lawyer just to do what they do. And if they are careful, then they won't need a lawyer.
As far as I can tell... that is all anyone was trying to say.
The best information on this forum is sometimes when a guy explains why something won't work. There are lots of guys with business experience here. If they tell you, "that's not going to work," it is exactly the kind of advice that is most valuable.
Most of the guys here don't seem to know how special they really are. You could go a long time without bumping into another group like this.
Insults are completely inappropriate.
Rich
Walt Perko seems to be a creative enough chap. You can check his web site here www.brainless.org/
Warning: Most of his web pages will give you headache with all the over the top colours, flashing and animation.
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Walter is a comedian... I wonder if he isn't being intentionally confrontational. If you go to the page that is linked by... "would you like to see me
naked?" it has an incredible number of youtube videos... some of which are of a boebot with a camera.
Walter performs in a number of the videos... singing[noparse]:)[/noparse]
My computer didn't stop churning until I closed the page... so go at your own risk. Walter might be trying to stimulate interest in his web site because he has a new way to look at your computer. OR maybe his server has another problem.
Rich
Wow. When I last looked at the thread there was just the one post, and now I return the whole world's gone up in flames !
I didn't see anything particularly wrong or objectionable with the original opening post, but nor do I see anything wrong with any of the replies, though there seems to be posts deleted so it's hard to judge everything.
I've signed NDA's and I've also refused to. I consider them on a case by case basis and it depends on exactly what one potentially gains or loses in signing. I certainly agree that anyone signing an NDA should understand the consequences of that and not sign casually. It is however interesting to hear what others think and their views are entirely valid whether I agree with them or not.
The people who posted in response before the 'thread was pulled' are not those I'd personally choose to call morons. But it's one way to burn your bridges I suppose.
@ mosquito56 : ROTFLMAO.
-Phil
I've dealt with NDAs as well as a consultant. The ones I did sign were pretty clear about what was covered. I've also dealt with a couple of non-compete agreements. Like others mentioned, these have to be limited in geographic scope and timeframe. The most recent one involved a 1 or 2 mile radius in an urban area for a year and was written so it wouldn't really affect me even if it were invoked otherwise.
·This thread is a hoot. lol
One entertained moron.
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That's probably not him in the photo anyway. I'm betting it's George Boswell, from Big Brother I, wearing a wig.
-Phil