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Is my LCD toast?

Roger LeeRoger Lee Posts: 339
edited 2009-01-01 11:53 in General Discussion
have a parallax 4x20 serial LCD (#27979).
all I can get now is all pixels in row 0 (top row) and row 2 on all the time.

Even the default test does not work. I have to assume it is "baked", but I just don't want to.

I used it for about 2 days with prop 40 pin DIP on breadboard and also with prop proto board.
I think I was only making software changes when it stopped, as my circuit was working fine.


Am looking for possible cause so I don't do it again.

Roger

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  • Brian218Brian218 Posts: 92
    edited 2008-12-28 20:51
    Maybe not,
    Row 1 & 2 pixels that are always on, sounds more like it is operating in "1-line" mode (2 lines displayed on a 4 X 20 LCD) with the contrast adjustment pot turned all the way to max. With the pixels "all on" characters may be displayed, but will be invisible due to every pixel being black.
    Turn the contrast down until the pixels are barely visible, or just invisible, and any displayed characters should become visible.

    I haven't used Parallax's serial LCD, so if the above doesn't help, hopefully someone who is more familiar, can reply back with more specific info.

    Good luck

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  • MikerocontrollerMikerocontroller Posts: 310
    edited 2008-12-28 23:47
    · I too have the same symptoms with my 4x20 serial display.· The only lines displayed are 0 and 2 when the contrast is turned up or the unit is placed in self-test mode.··Mine is backlight equipped and this is inoperative as well.· I can't honestly say that I mistakenly fried mine.· No hot-swapping or hooking up to unregulated power.· My setup is a HomeWork·Board using the 9 volt batttery·and sourcing the LCD from Vdd. My newer 2x16 works just fine but I really miss the 4x20 (R.I.P.).
  • Roger LeeRoger Lee Posts: 339
    edited 2008-12-29 01:13
    Thanks for the sympathy, 30 bucks won't break the bank, just irritating.

    Looks like R.I.P is the word for this display.
    When I damage components I can usually point to the cause. Don't have a clue in this case.
  • sam_sam_samsam_sam_sam Posts: 2,286
    edited 2008-12-30 01:02
    Roger Lee

    You should call Tech Support and see if they can help you first before you

    write this Display off that it dose not work

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  • Brian218Brian218 Posts: 92
    edited 2008-12-30 01:14
    One possible cause could be ESD related.

    Static electrical build up is typically at it's worst during winter, so practicing ESD safe handling of parts is especially important.

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  • Roger LeeRoger Lee Posts: 339
    edited 2008-12-30 03:21
    Sam A very good suggestion, will go through Tech support after first of the year.

    Brian218 That can never be stressed enough. Static = Bad
    Don't have a good system for that. OK, Don't have any anti static system at all.
    Whatever the cause this time thanks for the reminder.
  • Brian218Brian218 Posts: 92
    edited 2008-12-31 14:18
    Hi Roger,

    Static is indeed very bad. One of my many job titles is ESD Coordinator, and very few people give ESD the respect its due.

    60 to 90% of most consumer electronic failures are caused by ESD damage.
    Most people, can not feel a static charge of less than 2000 volts. Keep in mind some components can be damaged by less than 100 volts of static electricity.

    I think it would be very helpful for Parallax to post a sticky topic on safe ESD handling of their products.

    Meanwhile I'll try to put together some info on ESD and will make a separate post a little later.

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  • MikerocontrollerMikerocontroller Posts: 310
    edited 2008-12-31 20:28
    I think it would be a great idea if someone were to fabricate and market an angled fixture that would support the LCD display for easy viewing and provide some protection from ESD caused by unecessary handling. I would buy one.
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2008-12-31 20:44
    I have a metal-cased lamp at my bench which I touch to (arc_tick!) before handling anything.· Draws off my immediate charge.· It's not strictly ESD, but I think it's better than nothing and a lot better than getting a arc_tick! when you pick up something.· Can't think of anything that's croaked at my place; well,·not·as a result of an ESD event, anyway.

    Angled LCD mount.· I remember how Russ Johnson Ferguson, who hasn't been around posted in a long time come to think of it,·had placed his LCD in an acrylic picture frame, the kind that holds two pics,·looked pretty handy.· As I recall, he posted a pic of it, too.· (See OfficeDepot, Target, etc)

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  • MikerocontrollerMikerocontroller Posts: 310
    edited 2008-12-31 21:05
    I wonder if ESD awareness came about in the 70's. With all the shag carpet, polyester clothing, slippery shoes and big hairdos, that was probably ESD at its worst. I'm going to try one of those frames and fasten it from behind so that the display element is protected. Thanks for the idea.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2009-01-01 11:53
    I have had one 'sudden death' experience with a LCD and the failure mode is quite similar. So it might be worth considering. I have doubts that ESD was your cause.

    In my case, I purchased a local Hitachi compatible LCD that was exactly the same as the Parallax product - except Vdd and Vcc were reversed.{Why manufacturers do such things I'll never know!} This is a very subtle difference for the average beginner. But points out that polarity is ALWAYS a critical assembly and wiring issue.

    The cause of the failure was a mere momentary application of reverse polarity. I noticed the problem because I was holding it while I powered up and it suddenly got quite hot. I immediately removed power, but after that all I got was a screen full of black tiles. I suspect that may be caused by wiping out the memory side of the unit. It may be the most sensitive part.

    Remedy? Obviously verify documentation for your unit and double check power hook ups. But I think that actually having diode protection or a polarized power plug might also be helpful.

    This also taught me that holding a unit while powering up is a good way to monitor any unusual heat.

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