ImageCraft IDE

Mike Huselton

ImageCraft stated in a recent weblog that:

said...
As for Visual Studio, while working with Microsoft always carries a risk (I have personal experience with working for 2 rather large companies that had partnership agreements with Microsoft), in the end, it seems to be the right decision. I have gotten clarification from Microsoft that we will in effect be able to ship a copy of the Visual Studio 2008 IDE (sans the Microsoft compiler) as part of our compiler package free of charge to us and to the customers. People that use their own IDEs (including Eclipse and command line users) will not be affected, and we will get a world class IDE with a lot less work and support cost than if we write our own.

For myself, that is welcome news. Is that still the case?

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JMH

Rayman

I think you can already get the "Express" edition of VS2008 free from Microsoft...

Mike Huselton

The quoted text states that the agreement allows ImageCraft to use the IDE without the Microsoft compiler.

This would provide a compiler framework that would not be tied to a specific compiler.
Having used Microsoft products in my professional coding since 1985, that news would be welcome.
The traditional IDE that ImageCraft provides would not be affected.

Read the complete weblog: imagecraft.wordpress.com/

The article states that the Express Edition is not extensible and, therefore, locked.

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JMH

Post Edited (Quantum) : 8/27/2008 2:14:35 AM GMT

Ale

Quantum: That means that you had the ahem *pleasure* of working with "The programmers workbench". Visual studio is clearly better. And people complain about emacs and vim... nothing can be worst, even the editor in the Norton commander was better !

jazzed

Hey! I use the vi syntax coloring command-line editor all the time! Can't stand emacs or people who try to force it down my throat (that happened in Cisco often). There are big learning curves on both and I miss things like selection indent, but very little mousing is required and it works on telnet/ssh connections. I think the Propeller IDE is wonderful and Visual C# is a good tool, but there are things I can do in vim in less than a second with little motion that would take several seconds and much mousing to do otherwise. Someday I'll stop using vi ... when they pull my cold dead fingers off the keyboard [noparse]:)[/noparse]

BTW: Nice blog Richard. Go tell it on the mountain!

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--Steve

Mike Huselton

Again, the web log mentions nothing about C#. The Intellisense and other aspects of the IDE would be
provided and ImageCraft will impliment the hooks and callbacks to make it uniquely their own.

By the way, I admire VI. It is a very sophisticated editor.
Any editor can be called by the Visual Studio Framework, with varying degrees of integration,
depending on the object model of the editor.

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JMH

Post Edited (Quantum) : 8/27/2008 1:56:52 PM GMT

jazzed

Cool. Looks like VSE2008 C++ can use a makefile to specify another toolchain just like Eclipse.

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--Steve

Mike Huselton

Steve,

In the business applications that I have written, I managed to explore the Object Model of the MS Visual Studio environment to enable me to integrate custom functions and compiler interactions that greatly enhanced the basic IDE. In doing so, I have a feel for the magnitude of the changes. Once you know your way around the Object Model, it becomes a fairly painless exercise.

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JMH

jazzed

I've attempted an IDE project in VC#, and ended up with something usable for VM bytecodes, but other things like higher level language source highlighting, etc were a pain. Having a basic platform already created is very welcome!

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--Steve

Mike Huselton

Steve,

Yes, I agree. That was a very smart business decision on ImageCraft's part.

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JMH - Electronics: Engineer - Programming: Professional

ImageCraft

JMH / Quantum - please email me off-list richard @ imagecraft.com, thanks!

re: vi
I have the commands embedded in my fingertips. My first programming project in C was to write a ex clone for the (gasp) TOPS-10.