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Propeller II

william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
edited 2008-02-22 18:25 in Propeller 1
Now that Prop II has finally arrived, can we have a peek into what's new?

1. Does it come with 16 cogs?
2. RAM size?
3. 1 cycle per instruction?
4. 160Mhz speed?
5. Price?

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  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-20 05:05
    It hasn't arrived, it's still in design.

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  • PhilldapillPhilldapill Posts: 1,283
    edited 2008-02-20 05:16
    I was totally surprised and excited, then let down when I read this post. Thanks William for getting my hopes up...[noparse]:)[/noparse] Paul, what kind of timeframe are you guys looking at in regards to a release date? The Propeller is great, but I sure could go for a few more cogs...
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-20 08:45
    sorry, no date availible.

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  • william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
    edited 2008-02-20 13:17
    Does the prototype on chip's table have 16 cogs?

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  • Sleazy - GSleazy - G Posts: 79
    edited 2008-02-20 15:09
    Oh man yeah letdown
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-20 20:40
    william chan said...
    Does the prototype on chip's table have 16 cogs?

    yes, all the info discussed in the near 20 page thread still applies.

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  • parskoparsko Posts: 501
    edited 2008-02-20 21:34
    Paul Baker (Parallax) said...
    william chan said...

    Does the prototype on chip's table have 16 cogs?

    yes, all the info discussed in the near 20 page thread still applies.


    Sorry Paul, but I gotta ask (since you took the bait and answered) to provide (maybe even a badly taken cameraphone pic) of said prototype???

    Like Julien from the movie Big Daddy,

    puh-puh-puh-lease

    -Parsko

    Post Edited (parsko) : 2/20/2008 9:40:21 PM GMT
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-20 21:37
    "Still in design" means·a physical chip·does not·exist.

    Since people seem to keep jumping the gun on this, let me reiterate: when the Prop II was first discussed, we mentioned it would be roughly 2 years before it would be a product. That was just over·six months ago,·so you can do the math on how much longer you can expect.

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    Post Edited (Paul Baker (Parallax)) : 2/20/2008 9:47:10 PM GMT
  • parskoparsko Posts: 501
    edited 2008-02-20 21:43
    Won't get it if we don't ask... smile.gif
  • stevenmess2004stevenmess2004 Posts: 1,102
    edited 2008-02-20 21:50
    So that means about 6 months before a physical chip exists and you start testing and a few very lucky people get one to help test it. If its still in design can I add a suggestion that the bootloader can boot from an SD card? Okay, I'll be quiet now and try not to turn this into another 20 page thread and stop annoying you so that you actually have time to design the chip instead of answering questions. smile.gif
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2008-02-20 23:23
    Speaking of in design, I have a question about it being able to code without a PC, I'm taking it it'll mean, code will be stored on SD? or some such device. if so.
    Will Parallax be licensing the full SD access protocol and putting it in ROM, ie, not the 1bit SD reader we have now?

    Just curious,

    Baggers.
  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2008-02-20 23:46
    And can it run XP or Vista?
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-20 23:49
    1st rev will not contain an IDE on the chip.

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  • parts-man73parts-man73 Posts: 830
    edited 2008-02-21 01:10
    desilva said...
    And can it run XP or Vista?

    oh great, now I'll get blue screens of death from my Propeller too lol.gif

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  • stevenmess2004stevenmess2004 Posts: 1,102
    edited 2008-02-21 01:21
    You can already get blue screens of death from your propeller. Just tell the TV driver to output on pins 20-23 when you have it actually hooked up to pins 12-15. Guaranteed to get you a blue screen every time smile.gif
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2008-02-21 09:06
    deSilva, I think it was a pretty valid question, as for XP or Vista, that's just being silly now isn't it? [noparse]:D[/noparse]

    Paul, I know Rev1 won't have the IDE on the chip, I was talking about Rev 2 or whatever Rev it comes out on, I was basically wondering if SD drivers if any on the chip, and would they be like Rokicki's current driver, or the full spec SD?
  • stevenmess2004stevenmess2004 Posts: 1,102
    edited 2008-02-21 10:02
    Don't you need something like 7 or 8 pins for the full SD card interface? Using this many pins may not be what they have in mind although it won't really be a problem with 64 pins. With 64 pins could it interface with standard DDR computer memory?
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2008-02-21 10:44
    7 or 8 pins, it already uses 4 pins, so like you said, it's not that much of a loss with 64 pins now available [noparse]:)[/noparse]
    I'm guess I'm just really curious as to what's goin in the Rom [noparse]:)[/noparse] and will Rev1 have a big blank patch of ROM where the IDE will sit?
  • stevenmess2004stevenmess2004 Posts: 1,102
    edited 2008-02-21 10:52
    Chip mentioned something about not having a problem with stealing code so they might also be putting in some kind of write-able ROM in there. Guess we won't know until they release it. Problem is that there is so much that the current prop can do and so much that it can almost but not quite do (USB, ethernet etc) that everyones expectation s are so high.
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2008-02-21 11:02
    yeah I know what you mean, with Prop 1 being as fantastically adept as it is, and Prop II being 8* as fast, and 8* the HubRam, (not to mention functions pre stored in Rom, saving more hub ram space) and 2* the cogs, who knows what amazing things the Prop II will be capable of [noparse]:)[/noparse]
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    edited 2008-02-21 13:43
    maybe it's time to start a fund raising and accelerate the development a bit. Maybe shorten the time one year and a half ;=]
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2008-02-21 17:44
    Baggers said...

    Paul, I know Rev1 won't have the IDE on the chip, I was talking about Rev 2 or whatever Rev it comes out on, I was basically wondering if SD drivers if any on the chip, and would they be like Rokicki's current driver, or the full spec SD?
    It's too early to speculate how we will do it.

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  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2008-02-21 22:21
    Paul, Ok, cheers for the feedback [noparse]:)[/noparse]
  • crgwbrcrgwbr Posts: 614
    edited 2008-02-21 22:31
    stevenmess2004 said...
    write-able ROM in there

    Hmm...writeable R.ead O.nly M.emory. Sounds Intriguing lol turn.gif

    I think you mean flash, like what's in the SX.

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  • stevenmess2004stevenmess2004 Posts: 1,102
    edited 2008-02-22 05:59
    Well, you have eprom, eeprom and several others (uv erasable etc). So you can get writeable ROMs. Most propellers even have one smile.gif

    And flash
    wikipedia said...
    It (flash) is a specific type of EEPROM that is erased and programmed in large blocks;
    from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
  • dfletchdfletch Posts: 165
    edited 2008-02-22 06:03
    LOL semantics.

    I think crgwbr's point is that you seem to have invented an oxymoron term that actually sorta makes sense! Though it seems you're using the term ROM to refer to the program inside there, not the actual tech used.
  • John ButterfieldJohn Butterfield Posts: 4
    edited 2008-02-22 13:55
    I like the idea of being able to blue screen 16 cores at the same time, maybe more working should go into getting Vista to work on the Prop II.
    -John
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    edited 2008-02-22 14:32
    so vista is a non operating system on a nonexisting processor. perfect wink.gif
  • Brian LBrian L Posts: 60
    edited 2008-02-22 18:16
    I thought someone had set up a Wiki page that gives a preliminary description of some of the basic layout & features Chip has decided to include in Prop 2. I was looking for it and didn't find anything. Does anyone know where that can be found?
  • tpw_mantpw_man Posts: 276
    edited 2008-02-22 18:25
    It can be found on the propellor wiki here.

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