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Making a pen plotter?

MarkSMarkS Posts: 342
edited 2008-02-23 21:20 in General Discussion
I'm a commercial bus driver. Since I drive all over the country, I must (by law) fill out a daily log. The issue is that the company I work for just switched log books to one made by JJ Keller. Keller made some software that scans the log into a computer and notes the driver's daily activity. I've been using computers since I was eight. I taught myself several programming languages and am very familiar with the hardware. While it is possible to scan anything into a computer and write software to interpret the data, there is no way, with the technology we currently have, to interpret it with any degree of accuracy. This has quickly become a nightmare.

What I want to do is to make a small pen plotter that will plot the data I enter on the log. The software would be easy to write and I'd probably use a Propeller, but the hardware is not too simple. I'm assuming that this could be done with a couple of small servos and a spring / actuator combination to raise and lower the pen. It would be a small CNC machine with low accuracy. Does anyone have experience with this? We're talking small here, no more than 12" x 12" (less is preferred) + the height of the base and pen.

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  • MarkSMarkS Posts: 342
    edited 2008-01-02 17:17
    So, what, crazy idea?
  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2008-01-02 17:38
    No, just not enough information to make a comment. (at least for me)

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  • MarkSMarkS Posts: 342
    edited 2008-01-02 18:17
    What do I need to post?

    What I want to do is make a small gantry that holds a ball point pen. The pen is raised or lowered (z-axis) by some sort of mechanism, probably a spring and actuator combo (it just needs to be either up or down, with no in between positions) and the gantry is moved in the X and Y axis via small steppers or servos. The mechanical part is what I'm going to have trouble with. I'd suspect that a full size CNC mill would be easier to make due to the size difference.

    What would be a quick, easy and cheap way to do this? I've seen that DIY CNC site, but his methods will be incompatible due to the size differences.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2008-01-02 18:25
    It's less complicated mechanically to move the pen in the X direction and the paper in the Y direction (via grit-surfaced pinch rollers) than to design a gantry that will move in both directions.

    -Phil
  • MarkSMarkS Posts: 342
    edited 2008-01-02 18:48
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
    It's less complicated mechanically to move the pen in the X direction and the paper in the Y direction (via grit-surfaced pinch rollers) than to design a gantry that will move in both directions.

    -Phil

    Not in this case. The log has to be filled out as the work is performed, so copying a printer mechanism will not work. The pen must move to various parts of the paper at different times, and while the accuracy is not at the level of a CNC mill, it needs to be about the width of the pen stroke. The biggest part of the log, and the most important, is a graph showing changes in types of types of service (driving, off duty, on duty not driving and sleeping). This graph is divided to to 24 hour segments, and each segment is divided into 15 minute intervals.

    Here is a scan of the log (sorry for the size):

    DriversLogsmall.jpg

    Here is what a completed graph would look like:

    Graph.jpg

    Post Edited (MarkS) : 1/2/2008 6:59:26 PM GMT
  • MarkSMarkS Posts: 342
    edited 2008-01-02 18:56
    And equally important... Its a 2-part copy, so inkjet, laser printer or any similar methods will not work. Dot matrix will not provide the unbroken lines that are needed. The best way is going to have to be a pen plotter.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2008-01-02 19:32
    Mark,

    The pinch roller I'm referring to is bi-directional, unlike that of a printer mechanism. It's a common feature in pen plotters of all sorts. But even then, if you fed the paper from the side, wouldn't a unidirectional mechanism be sufficient?

    -Phil
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2008-01-02 19:38
    The multiple copy thing is a bit nettlesome. Are the copies bound both top and bottom? If not, a pen is going to drag the top sheet against succesive bottom sheets. To avoid this, a staccato-like, one-pin dot-matrix mechanism may be needed. This could be done with a hard-fiber-tip pen with the interval between taps small enough to approximate a continuous line.

    -Phil
  • stamptrolstamptrol Posts: 1,731
    edited 2008-01-02 20:14
    Mark,

    Probably the older small (8.5 x 11) format HP pen plotter might work for you.

    Heres one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-7475-A-PLOTTER-PRINTER-w-PENS-VINYL-CUTTING-7475_W0QQitemZ150199934164QQihZ005QQcategoryZ46723QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Just do up a sketch of the form in AutoSketch (or some other low cost CAD software), adding data as required and plot it out.

    Cheers,

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2008-01-03 10:05
    Without considerable modification, the HP 7475A would be unsuitable for this app. There just isn't enough pen pressure to make multiple copies.

    -Phil
  • pwillardpwillard Posts: 321
    edited 2008-01-07 16:59
    Agreed... The HP unit (which I've had years of experience with starting in 1988) is designed for FELT TIP pens and has a very light touch. I do recall that RADIO SHACK had a ball point pen plotter in the early 80's but the platten was only about 5" wide... limiting it's usefulness :-(

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  • PLJackPLJack Posts: 398
    edited 2008-01-09 01:06
    How about a less complicated approach.

    Lets say that one hour on that sheet is half an inch.
    Now picture four rubber wheels (two each side) feeding that paper at one half inch an hour.
    Slowly dragging a weighted pen over the surface.
    As your state changes just manually slide the pen left or right to the correct position.
    Maybe have four notches that line up with each of your four states.

    Crude example sketch attached.

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  • willy1067willy1067 Posts: 107
    edited 2008-02-23 21:20
    How much are you looking to spend making this?

    also, how much effort putting it together and re-thinking the wheel?

    not to mention the programing

    You can buy a used 12" plotter used in the sign making industry,
    that can use a knife or a ball pen.· (adjust the weight)

    make your own font (hand written)

    make a template in Word, as you enter the data, press print; put in a new sheet and
    see it appear on the plotter. Just remember to select the hand writen font you created.

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