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Hey! The Avatars have moved...

Maddie the InternMaddie the Intern Posts: 81
edited 2010-08-15 08:20 in General Discussion
to the side of the page like in the old forums!
<I think this happened as I was viewing a thread>
As we give the IT (one man) crew a little time, glitches and bugs are disappearing like crazy- the forum is quickly working like the old forum with even more new stuff to work with!

:D

Just a thought.

Comments

  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,418
    edited 2010-08-10 10:06
    Jim Ewald gave me access yesterday and I made this change this morning. I now have access to the Admin control panel so I can make changes.

    I can see why it has been difficult for him. vBulletin has no less than 5,000 configuration options. Finding this one took me most of last night.

    Ken Gracey
    Parallax Inc.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2010-08-10 10:09
    Jim Ewald gave me access yesterday and I made this change this morning. I now have access to the Admin control panel so I can make changes.

    I can see why it has been difficult for him. vBulletin has no less than 5,000 configuration options. Finding this one took me most of last night.

    Ken Gracey
    Parallax Inc.


    Hi Ken Gracey (Parallax).

    Now You need find LAST READ function istead as it is now LAST POST
  • Maddie the InternMaddie the Intern Posts: 81
    edited 2010-08-10 10:09
    It's incredible!
    I've been able to piece together how big of a project this must be for him from what he's said on different forum threads- it's going to be so beneficial to everybody- it just takes a little time. :D
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-10 12:37
    Great. The Avatars are looking really good.

    But why is so much space wasted between the avatar image and the actual posting?

    Also why no avatars on the page when you start entering a reply?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 13:09
    The reason it's so wide is right in the HTML, in boldface below. I'm sure it can be made narrower -- and will be eventually.

    -Phil
    ______________________________

    <td class="alt2" width="175" style="border: 1px solid #D1D1E1; border-top: 0px; border-bottom: 0px">
    <div id="postmenu_930022">
    <a class="bigusername" href="member.php?u=60091">Maddie the Intern (Parallax)</a>
    <script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_930022", true); </script>
    </div>
    <div class="smallfont">Junior Member</div>
    <div class="smallfont">
     <br />
    <a href="member.php?u=60091">
    <img src="image.php?u=60091&dateline=1281367716" width="120" height="96" alt="Maddie the Intern (Parallax)'s Avatar" border="0" />
    </a>
    </div>
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-10 14:00
    Probably padding to allow for a reasonable user name, at the current font size!!

    Funny, I didn't even notice! All I saw was the avatars, and life was good. Now the things have been moved, and...

    Life is still good!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-10 15:01
    Phil, Potatohead,

    Not sure about that guys.

    "Maddie the Intern (Parallax)" is a very long user name but from where I'm looking its all word wrapped to be the width of the avatar.

    Maddie the
    Intern
    (Parallax)

    The text under the avatar is similarly the same width,
    But still a huge blank space between the avatar and the post text.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 15:09
    Heater, you're right. Its the "175" that governs the overall width. Not sure what would happen with an extremely long name with no embedded spaces. I seem to recall from the other forum that things just kept going beyond the border of the sidebar. But that's probably browser-dependent.

    But, yeah, let's go for

    Maddie
    the
    Intern
    (Parallax)


    -Phil
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-10 15:27
    Well, if someone is going to call themselves "Tarquin Fintimlinbinwhinbimlim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Ole Biscuit-Barrel (Silly Party)"

    They deserve to be in a mess.

    The font for user names could be half the size anyway.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 15:49
    That's true. The font was a lot smaller in the old forum.

    -Phil
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2010-08-10 17:39
    I'm all sideways now!

    Re heater. (junior member) "Maddie the Intern (Parallax)" is a very long user name but from where I'm looking its all word wrapped to be the width of the avatar.

    That may well be true, but it appears to me that she is wielding some sort of nerf machine gun contraption, so if she wants a wide name, then, Yes Ma'am, that is what she gets *grin*.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,418
    edited 2010-08-10 17:46
    Maddie is holding one of Rick's paintball gatling guns demonstrated at UPEW.

    With 125 psi that gun shoots out paintballs really quickly!

    Ken Gracey
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-10 23:00
    I was up for 48 hours here in Finland during UPEW tinkering with this and that but with the UPEW video stream up all the time. It was worth it just to see Rick's presentation and the video of that outrageous paint ball Gatlin gun.

    You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCVa25YvM6I
  • hinvhinv Posts: 1,255
    edited 2010-08-10 23:07
    Yep, they moved. Now I am back to scrolling vertical and horizontal on my little n900. I preferred it on top of the post. It wasted less space AFAICT also.

    Doug
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-10 23:15
    Avatars on the left looks quite OK on my Samsung Galaxy S Android phone in landscape orientation.

    However viewing it there does emphasise the huge amount of space wasted between the avatar and the postings text. It's like a big empty column running down the middle of the screen.

    Closing that up would help hinv a bit I guess.

    As an experiment try shrinking the size of your browser window to see the effect.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 23:20
    The comparative amount of wasted square screenage depends on the length of the post. Without the avatars, most posts wasted less space with the user info on top. But with the avatars, it would take a much longer than average post to waste more space with the user info on the side rather than on top. Once the user info sidebar is narrowed, the advantage of its present location will only increase.

    -Phil
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-10 23:46
    Narrowing the sidebar to 120 would still allow the largest avatar to be displayed, as shown here:

    I think the page looks much better that way.

    -Phil

    Addendum: I also made the name smaller, but boldface.
    Addendum2: ... and changed the colors to something easier on the eyes and narrowed the margins to increase the content area. The "Quick Reply" box somehow escaped the color change, though.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2010-08-11 00:36
    Just checked your sidebar page on the PC and my phone. Looks good.

    However looking at it on the phone does emphasize that both you and Maddie have horizontally greedy big wide avatars. Where as Sapieha and I have more polite narrower ones:)

    The result is there is still a huge wide mostly empty grey streak running down the middle of my page on the phone.

    Should there be a tighter restriction on avatar width now?

    Also viewing your sidebar test on the phone emphasises the huge, wide, white empty margins at either side of the page. They can go.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2010-08-11 00:49
    Oh wow. I hope you are just experimenting with the colors. The urine colored theme just has to go!

    Aside from your color choice, I like what you are doing.

    Rich H
    420 x 256 - 26K
  • Jim EwaldJim Ewald Posts: 733
    edited 2010-08-11 00:55
    We are about as far as we can go with the default skin on this site. We can pull some space out of the left and right borders (about 40 pixels). The left column is fixed at 175 pixels.

    The default skin can be overwritten by any software updates we apply to the system. That is not the case for any skins we install to the site. We can tweak and tune those as needed without any concern that they will be altered by software updates. We should have one available by the end of the week that will tighten up the stray whitespace. Let's put our design energy into tuning the add-on skins.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2010-08-11 01:00
    Why not colors from old Forum
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-11 01:09
    Rich,

    I have no power actually to make the change -- just to suggest. I've also toned down the "urine" color to something more of a buff color. (I must say, though, if anyone's urine is of the former color, they should see a specialist.)

    -Phil
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-11 06:41
    Something good came out of all of this for me.

    Found out most of my computers have a color saturation setting!! The bonus is changing that doesn't impact video capture windows.

    So, I've turned it down, and there are a lot of things around the net that look a lot better!

    Re: Default skin. Yeah, absolutely do custom ones, and set them as default. Anything that lets the update be just a update is a good thing! (because they can and will tweak this one)

    a low saturation Internet is highly recommended. Helps with CAD too. :)

    The other adjustment I recommend is a gamma higher than 1.0, or 50 percent, depending on whether or not you've got the "techy", or "playschool" graphics control interface. Most graphics cards have this.

    A higher gamma, like 1.2 or 1.3 bends the signal response curve in the middle, without crushing colors on the lower and higher end, like tweaking the brightness and contrast controls do. Crushing is where more than one color equals black, or white. Detail is lost when this occurs.

    The PC default is linear voltage changes by value. A gamma of 1.2 will make the middle range "brighter", while preserving detail. A gamma of .8 will darken the middle range, preserving detail.

    Gamma is used to adapt the signal to the response curve of the display in use. CRT displays run a bit darker in their mid level response, compared to LCD type displays, for example A really great one is a projector, which requires a very significant mid signal boost, because of how light is generally reflected off of most things. A pro quality screen will present a good display, your wall won't. Gamma is for that.

    In the end, you the user, can adjust saturation and gamma to really bend the curve of what is possible to display. Many things are significantly improved with settings that are not default. For reference, the SGI computers generally ran with a gamma of 1.2 to 1.3, and that's the major secret behind their high clarity, easy to look at desktop displays.

    I find the lower saturation response very nice, highly recommended. It worked well, even with the original colors.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-08-11 08:41
    Potatohead,

    You might be right, but it's asking an awful lot of the average user to make those adjustments to his system -- let alone even to know what you're talking about. 'Better just to make the changes to the colors at the source.

    -Phil
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2010-08-11 11:49
    Agreed, and we know that's on the books to get done.

    My points were:

    -it can be addressed right now

    -there are nice side benefits to doing it.

    I'm now running at about 80 percent saturation, and frankly, it's one of the best graphics tweaks I've done. Gamma is something I've managed for years. First became aware of it on the SGI computers, wondering why their display quality on CAD was so darn good.

    The color management settings are something I've largely ignored. It turns out to be worth similar things as gamma settings are.
  • Buck RogersBuck Rogers Posts: 2,201
    edited 2010-08-12 20:30
    to the side of the page like in the old forums!
    <I think this happened as I was viewing a thread>
    As we give the IT (one man) crew a little time, glitches and bugs are disappearing like crazy- the forum is quickly working like the old forum with even more new stuff to work with!

    :D

    Just a thought.

    Hello!
    As a member of a "One Man Band" myself, I know exactly what Jim is going through. He's the Top.

    Now Maddie be very careful with that gun. It's got the capabilties to demolish the Nerf version of a T43 tank. Or anything foolish enough to be seen by it. That includes xenomorphs.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2010-08-15 08:20
    Jim Ewald gave me access yesterday and I made this change this morning. I now have access to the Admin control panel so I can make changes. I can see why it has been difficult for him. vBulletin has no less than 5,000 configuration options. Finding this one took me most of last night. Ken Gracey Parallax Inc.
    Great that you got something to work! Maybe we all need to take a number and have a go at it.

    Can you find the big important control like the attachment manager and enable posting a photo? I'm really surprised we can't post photos, and that the old forum is now wacked! In the old forum, the photos that previously displayed nicely with the text using are gone! Yikes!  Just wondering why P has only a "one man crew" working on something as timely and important as the Forum that contains all the knowledge in the world known about Parallax products?  With all due respect, would it be possible to invoke the Higher Order to keep the old forum going, and behind the scenes run tests and develop the new forum and debug it before releasing it?  Humanoido
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