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Need help with Amp Meter

Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
edited 2010-06-15 11:54 in General Discussion
A few years ago I built a BS2 Christmas light controller based off of Eric R's post:
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=560479

It works great.· I would like to add an analog amp meter - so I can get a visual indication of how much current the lights are pulling.

I found an inexpensive panel mount analog meter (0-20A) but after reading I see that it requires a shunt.· After some research I am confused as how to determine the proper shunt to purchase.·· Most of the reference I see online deals with measuring DC current.· I am also wondering if the meter's needle will bounce back and forth (due to AC) or will be steady.

The controller is powered by a dedicated 15A, 110VAC line.

I guess I could always just purchase a shunted meter but I am hard headed I guess...

Anyway - if anyone here could help me select a shunt and give instruction how it is connected I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Patrick

Comments

  • dredre Posts: 106
    edited 2010-06-13 21:45
    Patrick,

    Although not analog, how about using a "Kill-a-watt" meter? It has a button for displaying amperage.
    It is very useful for other metering too [noparse][[/noparse] kwatt-hrs, etc.]

    cheers, David
  • Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
    edited 2010-06-13 22:34
    I considered that - but for aesthetic reasons I want the meter to be mounted on the controller's case.
  • stamptrolstamptrol Posts: 1,731
    edited 2010-06-14 12:39
    You don't mention it, but is your 0-20A meter meant for AC?

    Usually, AC ammeters were meant to be used with current transformers and the meter itself was a 5 A movement (sometimes 1 A)

    As you've found, DC ammeters use a shunt which generates 50 mV ( sometimes 100 mV) when the required current flows through the shunt. As to the resistance, its just Ohm's law. V=IR.

    In general, the two are not interchangable.

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  • Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
    edited 2010-06-14 22:07
    Well - to be honest I don't know if it is for AC or DC - it didn't say...

    Here is the meter - can you tell?
    http://www.suntekexpress.com/business-%5E_%5E-industrial/repair-%5E_%5E-tester-%5E_%5E-cleaning-tools/10007924/inventory.html
  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2010-06-15 02:02
    DC

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  • Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
    edited 2010-06-15 02:04
    well - crud. Thanks for the info!
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2010-06-15 02:25
    This looks like a DC meter. You can use it with AC by adding a bridge rectifier and shunt resistor as shown in the attached schematic. The value of the shunt resistor can be determined by using a low voltage source and connecting the meter in series with a high value potentiometer.
  • Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
    edited 2010-06-15 02:48
    Thank you!



    about determining the shunt resistor:
    "...determined by using a low voltage source and connecting the meter in series with a high value potentiometer" - I hate to be a nuisance but could you direct me to a web site where I could get more info on this? I understand Ohms law, series and parallel circuits, etc, but not sure I know how to do what you are telling me.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2010-06-15 05:09
    There are 2 ways to approach this.

    Referring to CIRCUIT A in the attached diagram, connect the battery (1.2 - 1.5V), a 10K potentiometer (set to max resistance), and the meter as shown.

    1 - Adjust the potentiometer until the meter reads full scale and then read the voltage between points A and C. This is the full scale voltage of the meter.

    2 - Read the voltage between points A and B, remove the battery from the circuit, and measure the resistance between points A and B. The full scale current of the meter is V/R.

    3 - The shunt resistor required would be the full scale voltage of the meter (from 1) divided by 20 (from the printed meter scale).

    It may be difficult to source a shunt resistor of the required value so you can use a slightly higher value shunt resistor and a potentiometer as shown in CIRCUIT B. If you have an AC current meter you can connect it to the line and use it to calibrate CIRCUIT B.
  • Patrick DPatrick D Posts: 62
    edited 2010-06-15 11:54
    Thank you very much!
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