Regarding Job
Sandhuamarinder
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Hi guys
I had learned PBASIC in school. I am finish with my school. Now time to find a job.
I am having hard time finding a job for programming. But I like to do programming its nice and I love electronics like many others here.
While looking for a job online I don’t get option for PBASIC anywhere. What should I mark there programmer in what.
having hard time finding a job
I can post my resume here if any one can help me find a job.
Thanks
Sorry for posting at wrong place.
I had learned PBASIC in school. I am finish with my school. Now time to find a job.
I am having hard time finding a job for programming. But I like to do programming its nice and I love electronics like many others here.
While looking for a job online I don’t get option for PBASIC anywhere. What should I mark there programmer in what.
having hard time finding a jobI can post my resume here if any one can help me find a job.
Thanks
Sorry for posting at wrong place.
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When I was in High School, the head of their Math department had a relative that worked for HP and she said they were only hiring people with Master's or Doctorate degrees and that was years and years ago.
I remember Atari, Intellevision, Coleco, Osborne, the IBM PC Jr, the TRS-80, Commodore Amiga.· Those companies aren't making computers anymore with the exception of IBM and IBM lost a lot of money on the PC Jr.· These companies literally lost their shirts and you might want to read some books on the computer wars.
A lot of companies hire straight out of college and morally I probably wouldn't hire someone straight out of high school because that wouldn't be the best for them.· I would say get a degree, two or more·and even get some technical /trade·school in afterwards because life throws a lot of challenges in and we don't all know what we may want to do in the future that we're not prepared to do now.
The companies that can afford to pay you are probably looking for someone who went to college.· A pharmaceutical company might need someone to program their conveyer belt to move vaccine down the belt so they are going to pick someone who came out of a particular school or someone who has experience because their vaccine run might cost five million dollars so they are going to probably choose proven contractors to do the job who have insurance because they aren't going to trust just anyone.
I'm not trying to ruin your dreams but what you can do is ask some people who have just graduated college and ask them just how hard it is.· I remember that Commodore had three layoffs but it was the people who made products who kept the company in business and that is hard because there are a lot of things that go on from an idea to the creation and actual making and marketing of a product.
I can also believe that knowing how to program isn't enough but it is proficiency in being able to do it better than anyone else.· It is·not just being able to do it but to do it better than everyone else· but so that your product can compete against all of the other products and you could be competing against someone with a Master's or Doctorate degree.· There are companies like Yahoo, Google and Microsoft that are hard to beat because they have time, competitive talent, money, business parters and more.
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I would strongly urge you not to attempt this path. I did have some college, and a higher than average level of intelligence. I am also blessed with the ability to read something, and not only understand it, but understand the practical implications. I also worked my butt off, not only at work, but during off hours, reading, learning and honing my skills. My idea of a good book was the latest software manual. My family thought (rightfully so) that I was a bit loony.
There are more than just the raw subjects that are taught in college, one of the most important being critical thinking, and how to solve problems.
As other posters have pointed out indirectly, there is a HUGE difference between what works at the hobbyist level, and what is expected in the business world. There is an even bigger difference between what is acceptable in the business world, based on what the end product is doing, and whether it will be used "internally" or by the "outside world".
The differences in requirements for a device running a clamping fixture for welding, running the conveyor mentioned for the pharmaceutical company, or for running a patient monitoring device are vastly different. "Kinda works", or "usually works" doesn't cut it in the business world. Even "works well almost all the time" or "doesn't fail in a totally bad way" doesn't cut it for anything you're going to put in or on my body.
Possibly more important that all of this is communication. Your initial post showed poor grammar, and didn't really flow well. It wasn't really clear what you were/are after. The importance of good communication skills, both oral and written cannot be over emphasized. I don't mean to offend you, but this is the reality. How you communicate, especially in an "electronic medium" like these forums or e-mail, is the only thing we have to form opinions of a person. If you take a careful look at your post and avatar, and don't know anything else about yourself, what would you think?
When I look to hire someone (yes, I have hire/fire responsibility), there are three main things I'm looking for, in order they are: Does this person have an attitude/personality that will fit in and prove productive, can the applicant communicate, both orally and in writing, and does the person have the core skills to do and/or learn the job. Unless I really need "instant results", I'm not particularly worried about specific skills, meaning, I care more about "does this person know how to write a program", and less about "does this person know C# for .NET 3.5".
I've found it easier to train someone how to do a job (even a new programming language) than to teach a "can do" attitude, good work ethic, or how to work with others. Changing a "slacker" to a "worker" is a tough road to hoe. Likewise, teaching communication skills, while easier than dealing with core values, can be a long process.
You've show initiative by posting here. If there are reasons that college or even tech school is not an option for you, there are other paths, so don't give up. You'll need to start small, and probably need to find a "day job" to keep a roof over your head, wheels under your feet, and a full belly (to speak nothing of a "significant other"). Try picking up some "odd jobs" at a local computer store, or even a Radio Shack. This exposes you to technology, and also gets you working with people and communicating, and seeing how others communicate.
Work on some projects on your own that demonstrate what you can do. With some luck, you may be able to find someone (either a company or another consultant, etc.) that will give you a shot on a small project. From there you can grow.
Another option to get some training and experience might be the armed forces. Getting in is the easy part. Getting the MOS (Military Occupation Specialty) you want is another story. Don't trust everything the recruiter tells you. This can work out well, it can also prove to be three or four years of "life experience" that teach you what you don't want to do for the rest of your life. In the mean time, you can be proud that you served your country. (Also, given the current world situation, the worst case here is well, it's the worst case there is.)
Without a degree, electronics design and programming as a career is an uphill battle.
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I won't say that this is easy... it's not. But there is a lot to be gained. Especially since the IT industry as a whole is a very "shark infested waters" type of career field.
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Thank You for sharing your insight into that world of· difference between what works at the hobbyist level·
I also did a project for a company that use to work for that I posted on this forum
"Kinda works", or "usually works" doesn't cut it in the business world. Even "works well almost all the time" or "doesn't fail in a totally bad way"
They want it to work all of the time the right way
There is allot of truth in what you are saying
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It is hard to compete in an industry that keeps reinventing itself.· You have to invest tons of money into an industry that will be obsolete in three years so you not only have to be able to feed yourself but you have to make additional money to reinvest in learning, materials, new technology, etc.· You can go broke.
In this economy, chips are not a necessity for a hobby market because paying for food and essentials comes first.· I'm basically trying to plant plumbs, apples and fruit trees on my property because oil prices are uncertain and food is trucked in from areas of the country that are warm.· Farmers and grocery markets pass that cost onto consumers so I don't see a reason to have to pay for essentials if I don't have to so I'm thinking ahead because January 1st the electric company is going to remove the caps on electricity prices.· If you look at two variables such as the stock market and the price of oil and compare the two, these two commodities are linked.· When Reagan reduced the armed forces, there was a temporary economic slowdown that·lasted for months.
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Employers don't always pay people to do one thing.· They don't want to pay multiple people to do only one thing.· Small companies also want their employees to wear multiple hats.
When you mess up, what you learn from a lot of employers is the only thing they care about is their money.
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That so true Employers want some one·that can do·many thing and do them well that was just one of the project that·I did while I was there
I also·did a project where·I had to reprogram a machine that battery backup C mos chip had gone bad
There where no· parameter· written down for this machine
It took three day to reprogram·this machine and get it·back up and running again
And yes trade or tech school or college is also very important
I have have a tech school back ground in·automation and instrumentation also in industrial electrical which has help alot
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If that were true, Microsoft would have been financially bankrupt many years ago. In the business world it's "Fast, Correct, Cheap - Pick two" and it's almost never the one in the middle.
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People like this·would be your competition.
So when the employer asked the question; "What have you done in the past?" How would the work and experience you have, stack up against what these other people have done?
If you were hiring a programmer, which people in the "Completed Projects" area would you want to hire? (Pretty easy to see who knows their stuff!)
Then pretend you are hiring, following are things people have said on their resumes...
http://www.funny2.com/resume.htm
Would you hire someone who said things like that?
I would suggest going to various companies which are in the electronics field in your area. Then ask if you can talk to a couple of people there about what kind of jobs they might have to start out with.
Maybe a business would need someone to assemble electronic parts. And as you worked there and got to know people, they would see that you were interested in electronics and programming. Then one day an engineer needs someone to help build a prototype or whatever, and they might think of you!
That is how it works. Get a job, any job, then get to know people and let them know what you can do. (Network / Work your way up!)
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If you really love this geeky stuff then never give up!
But you need to be PREPARED!
I would not mention basic programming experience... people look for
C, assembler(many flavors) C++(ick), Java...etc
The only time I would bring up BASIC is if I was Bean I would mention
the fine BASIC compiler I had created...other than that just don't mention
it unless it's at the end of a list of other language skills.
Live and breath C and assembler for AVR, ARM, PIC..etc until you can
pull off any kind of project. Become the guy people come to for advice
on programming and hardware. Any time you see a new technique
or brilliant project for a controller don't stop until you completely
understand how it was done and can reproduce and even better.. improve
on it.
Without a degree you will have to make yourself look interesting
in some other way. Perhaps get really good in a few areas and go
out and fill a need. Like learn assembly language so well that you can
write a few books and get them published. PASM sure needs a good one
Get projects covered by geek sites on the web such as hack a day.
as bill190 said, a low level entry job in something like electronic assembly
might give you a foot in the door. Don't be afraid to start at the bottom.
Just don't plan to stay at the bottom...work on your skill set!
If this turns out to be just a beloved hobby for a while then strive to
be the very best. Learning new skills and at the same time creating
either written or video tutorials for others is a great way to go. You
never learn as well as you do when you are trying to teach others.
A good youtube page full of tutorials might look good to an employer
some day. They might figure if you can teach these skills to others
that you must be pretty good at this stuff.
Don't go into this field just hoping to make lots of money. There are
better ways to make money. Great salesmen make more money.
You can make it in this field without a degree but it will be much harder.
And you won't save any effort at all, you will have to expend enormous
energy learning these skills somewhere, at school or on your own it's
still the same tough slog.
Are you in a position where it is possible for you to attend school
for a technical degree?
Where are you located?
How old are you?
posting a short resume might let the nice people here give you
more directed advice. They will give honest opinions, so don't
get discouraged... discovering your weakest points and knowing
the truth is the only sensible way to start.