How about standard logins that used to work?
I get:
You have entered an invalid username or password. Please press the back button, enter the correct details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here!
I have noticed none of the old members have not singed in, just new members?
The passwords didn't make it across to the new machine. The site expects the re-authorize each member the first time the visit the new site. Embedded in the message about an invalid user name or password is the link you need to click to have the system email a new authentication link to you. It's in the line, "Forgotten your password? Click HERE". Click on that link, enter your email address, and follow the prompts in the email you receive.
As always, please let me know if it's not working for you and we'll go to plan B. I don't know what that is yet, but we'll go to it as needed.
Seems that the formatting for all [noparse][[/noparse] code][noparse][[/noparse] /code] blocks is off. It now reads [noparse][[/noparse] quote]</code>. I also noticed stray <sup> and </font> tags where there shouldn't be any.
1) I'll run a SQL script on the old forums to inject a "No Subject Provided" string into the subject line where there is no subject now.
2) I need to dig deeper into the conversion pointers that were used to keep track of these things. We sure can't have scrambles user profile pointers.
3) The PropScope forum defaults to showing the threads from the past 30 days. There is a new block near the bottom of the page, titled Display Options, that lets one apply filters and sorting to the forum being viewed. If the forum is viewed from the "Beginning", there are 22 threads. That seems about right if we consider that the source data for the migration was from 2/16/2010.
As a side note, I am finding that there are just options on top of options for this new site.
kuroneko: Thanks for the extra data points on the formatting issues. The conversion process is fairly simplistic, replacing matched pairs of tags with relevant text on the new site. It gets more difficult when the tags are not matched properly on the source post. If you have a moment, can you post a URL with a specific example? That sure would help us find these guys faster.
Jim Ewald (Parallax) said...
kuroneko: Thanks for the extra data points on the formatting issues. The conversion process is fairly simplistic, replacing matched pairs of tags with relevant text on the new site. It gets more difficult when the tags are not matched properly on the source post. If you have a moment, can you post a URL with a specific example? That sure would help us find these guys faster.
Note that this affects all code postings (not just mine). Also, the current forum software allows for [noparse][[/noparse] sup][noparse][[/noparse] /sup] tags (superscript). So they should remain intact. I'm not entirely sure where the </font> tag comes from as I never used it.
2. In the PropScope forum, user "irv" in the old forum got changed to "imac" in the new one. So I wonder if any other user user names got mixed up.
-Phil
Jim: As a possible clue for above, my name got "funkied" too. In my case, my "Login" is "chiphead", but my forum displayt name is "John R". In the new forum, my posts show as "chiphead".
I also like the games that were played with the dates in the user profile. I have now joined the forums before I knew what a microcontroller was, and have lost 11 years in age!
As an IT Manager that has done way too many data conversions for various business systems, you have my deepest sympathies Just do yourself, and your family a favor: Remind Ken that at some point, "better is the enemy of good".
Will there be any way later to change user names? I'd much rather not stick with the name "Roboluvr" I created in the eighth grade. If I have to I may decide to create a new login if it can't be changed, I've gotten tired of "Pi Guy" as it is anyway.
We have good news - I hope. It appears that the new forums do not carry forward the idea of a user name versus a display name. Right now, the migration tool is copying the user name from the old site and simply discarding the display name. Do we change that behavior to import the display name? The forum admin can change the user name at any time, so maybe we simply change user names as needed? We'll have to mull that over.
The dates in the member profile are coming across as Jan 1, 1970. This is the same bug that caused the initial 3 migrations to force all of the post dates to 1/1/1970. It's pretty difficult to thread posts when they appear to have been made at the exact same time [noparse]:)[/noparse] The profile dates will be corrected for the final data migration.
We could spend a very long time trying to fix every data anomaly, but it's a luxury we don't have. The primary goal is to ensure that we get those data bits right that cannot be preserved after we migrate to the new site. For example, profile dates and user names are volatile, but a malformed tag in a post is not. We could go back later and fix those.
Jim Ewald said...
It appears that the new forums do not carry forward the idea of a user name versus a display name.
That's tough news. My user name is "phipi", but my display name is "Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)". I'd hate to have to log in with something as long as the latter, but the user name is too short for display purposes, IMO. I believe there's an option in vBulletin to log in with one's email address instead of his user name. Then the user name could be as long as one wanted. This may be a reasonable compromise between the two.
I mean, do all the Parallax employees want to log in with "Firstname Lastname (Parallax)" every time, or else have their Parallax affiliation omitted from their screen name? That'd be a tough choice. For that reason, I'd vote to log in with the email address.
Thanks,
-Phil
Post Edited (Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)) : 2/22/2010 5:43:56 AM GMT
Jim Ewald said...
... but a malformed tag in a post is not. We could go back later and fix those.
This is true (if I understand you correctly) as long as the erroneous mappings are not many-to-one. But if two distinct tags in the old forum map to the same wrong one in the new forum or to an ASCII character, there won't be a way to tell after the fact what was intended.
In an example I cited earlier via email, my character tags all got converted to asterisks. This is something that won't be fixable after the migration, since asterisks are used for other things, too.
Personally, I'd vote/opt for the e-mail address as the login. It's a whole lot easier to remember, and seems be a "standard" being embraced by many sites (e-stores, support sites, some forums, etc.).
I'm not sure what tools vBulletin has to manage this, but I've been on a few sites where the member ID must be tracking by a "hidden" key, as they support changing e-mail addresses without loss of user history, screen/display name, etc.
Phil: I think you could probably get by here on just "PhiPi"...
Not the biggest deal, but I noticed that the Firefox spell checker does not seem to work in the new forums. (no dotted red lines under misssssssspelled words.
Jim: What's the best way to get feedback like this to you? Just keep piling on this thread, start new threads for each "observation", do it on the new forums under the Comments?
1. I see the new forum software is a lot smarter about how it handles italics. An unmatched [noparse][[/noparse]i] prints as-is, rather than disappearing causing everything after it to be italicized. This will come in handy with Spin subscripts in code blocks.
2. The new software apparently does not deal with named characters (e.g. —) at all, but it does okay with numbered ones (e.g. —). This appears to rule out and the formatting benefits it bestows, since it does not have a numerical counterpart. Can this be changed?
3. I can't find a way to change font size and font color or to denote strikethroughs, superscripts, and subscripts. The usual dotNetBB tags do not work for these.
Please continue reporting issues with the new site in this forum or in the Comments forum on the new site. We're watching both forums. It might be a good idea to use a new thread for each issue, if nothing else than to help us find them as we progress...
I can't sign in under my username and password, and my former posts show my unchangable former username that I use to sign in, but is not displayed. Will there be a seperate displayable username?
Jim Ewald said...
The passwords didn't make it across to the new machine. The site expects the re-authorize each member the first time the visit the new site. Embedded in the message about an invalid user name or password is the link you need to click to have the system email a new authentication link to you. It's in the line, "Forgotten your password? Click HERE". Click on that link, enter your email address, and follow the prompts in the email you receive.
microcontrolled said...
I can't sign in under my username and password, and my former posts show my unchangable former username that I use to sign in, but is not displayed. Will there be a seperate displayable username?
I went through the proceedure above and was grated access.
The avatars haven't migrated over as of the last move, but even if they don't in the end you can still set one. Worst case scenario you save the one from here and set it on the new forums.
Seriously, how close is the new forum from going live - I know the original post said about 10 days (I work in engineering so I know how these things blow out). So NO PRESSURE, but can I get a best revised guess?
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My ISP (bless their little autocratic soul) automatically filters spam for me (so I don't have to do it - apparently it too complicated for their customers to figure it out themselves). Nor can I turn this wonderful feature off.
About once a month I just get a polite email saying how many emails they automatically deleted for me because it was spam. They are just gone - no chance of getting them back. Suffice to say when my 'contact' with them expires, they will also be automatically deleted...
How can I (should I have yet?) get the invite re-issued - perhaps to another address?
TIA
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{Best whiny voice} "Are we there yet?" {/Voice}
Seriously, how close is the new forum from going live - I know the original post said about 10 days (I work in engineering so I know how these things blow out). So NO PRESSURE, but can I get a best revised guess?
pacman - We're getting close.·With the help of those adventurous forum members, we have identified·are a small number of issues·in the data conversion that must be corrected before we flip the switch. Some of them are already in place, like the dates in the user profile. We're going as fast as we can.
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I have noticed none of the old members have not singed in, just new members?
Jim
As always, please let me know if it's not working for you and we'll go to plan B. I don't know what that is yet, but we'll go to it as needed.
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Some issues:
1. It's impossible to view a thread without a subject, since there's nothing like "(No Subject)" to click on.
2. In the PropScope forum, user "irv" in the old forum got changed to "imac" in the new one. So I wonder if any other user user names got mixed up.
3. The PropScope forum has only 11 threads. There are 24 in the old forum.
-Phil
1) I'll run a SQL script on the old forums to inject a "No Subject Provided" string into the subject line where there is no subject now.
2) I need to dig deeper into the conversion pointers that were used to keep track of these things. We sure can't have scrambles user profile pointers.
3) The PropScope forum defaults to showing the threads from the past 30 days. There is a new block near the bottom of the page, titled Display Options, that lets one apply filters and sorting to the forum being viewed. If the forum is viewed from the "Beginning", there are 22 threads. That seems about right if we consider that the source data for the migration was from 2/16/2010.
As a side note, I am finding that there are just options on top of options for this new site.
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Note that this affects all code postings (not just mine). Also, the current forum software allows for [noparse][[/noparse] sup][noparse][[/noparse] /sup] tags (superscript). So they should remain intact. I'm not entirely sure where the </font> tag comes from as I never used it.
HTH
Jim: As a possible clue for above, my name got "funkied" too. In my case, my "Login" is "chiphead", but my forum displayt name is "John R". In the new forum, my posts show as "chiphead".
I also like the games that were played with the dates in the user profile. I have now joined the forums before I knew what a microcontroller was, and have lost 11 years in age!
As an IT Manager that has done way too many data conversions for various business systems, you have my deepest sympathies
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The dates in the member profile are coming across as Jan 1, 1970. This is the same bug that caused the initial 3 migrations to force all of the post dates to 1/1/1970. It's pretty difficult to thread posts when they appear to have been made at the exact same time [noparse]:)[/noparse] The profile dates will be corrected for the final data migration.
We could spend a very long time trying to fix every data anomaly, but it's a luxury we don't have. The primary goal is to ensure that we get those data bits right that cannot be preserved after we migrate to the new site. For example, profile dates and user names are volatile, but a malformed tag in a post is not. We could go back later and fix those.
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I mean, do all the Parallax employees want to log in with "Firstname Lastname (Parallax)" every time, or else have their Parallax affiliation omitted from their screen name? That'd be a tough choice. For that reason, I'd vote to log in with the email address.
Thanks,
-Phil
Post Edited (Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)) : 2/22/2010 5:43:56 AM GMT
In an example I cited earlier via email, my character tags all got converted to asterisks. This is something that won't be fixable after the migration, since asterisks are used for other things, too.
-Phil
I'm not sure what tools vBulletin has to manage this, but I've been on a few sites where the member ID must be tracking by a "hidden" key, as they support changing e-mail addresses without loss of user history, screen/display name, etc.
Phil: I think you could probably get by here on just "PhiPi"...
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Jim: What's the best way to get feedback like this to you? Just keep piling on this thread, start new threads for each "observation", do it on the new forums under the Comments?
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-Phil
2. The new software apparently does not deal with named characters (e.g. —) at all, but it does okay with numbered ones (e.g. —). This appears to rule out and the formatting benefits it bestows, since it does not have a numerical counterpart. Can this be changed?
3. I can't find a way to change font size and font color or to denote strikethroughs, superscripts, and subscripts. The usual dotNetBB tags do not work for these.
-Phil
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This issue is covered in the preceding discussion.
-Phil
The passwords didn't make it across to the new machine. The site expects the re-authorize each member the first time the visit the new site. Embedded in the message about an invalid user name or password is the link you need to click to have the system email a new authentication link to you. It's in the line, "Forgotten your password? Click HERE". Click on that link, enter your email address, and follow the prompts in the email you receive.
I went through the proceedure above and was grated access.
Post Edited (hover1) : 2/22/2010 10:10:19 PM GMT
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Seriously, how close is the new forum from going live - I know the original post said about 10 days (I work in engineering so I know how these things blow out). So NO PRESSURE, but can I get a best revised guess?
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So has everyone got an invite yet?
My ISP (bless their little autocratic soul) automatically filters spam for me (so I don't have to do it - apparently it too complicated for their customers to figure it out themselves). Nor can I turn this wonderful feature off.
About once a month I just get a polite email saying how many emails they automatically deleted for me because it was spam. They are just gone - no chance of getting them back. Suffice to say when my 'contact' with them expires, they will also be automatically deleted...
How can I (should I have yet?) get the invite re-issued - perhaps to another address?
TIA
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