That looks cool. Anyone up to writing the search wrotine. I can store the index database any way best for you know.
Once dvd are released we are locked into a set database architecture.
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It would be useful to also include on the CD/DVD a copy of all of the Parallax Propeller documentation and downloads, and a snapshot of the objects. It could then be useful for anyone that is wanting to get started without having to rely on an Internet connection to drag everything down.
Good idea. Will ask permission to copy those also.
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I have experience with mysql and a bit less with postgresql. I could write some code to do searches. The thing is that HTML does not need any other program except for a browser and that is normally running. Any other program and you have to have another application. Making it just for winblows is not a good idea, many of us are using either Mac or Linux. A simple search engine with a db backend could be done entirely in java, there are such pure-java dbs.
I'd suggest you get the requirements dand then think of how to implement , if not you will get 1000s of different ways.
Store methods could be: HTML (it does not need conversion), info, tex, pdf.
Search methods:
Direct in browser (best) (with back-end and with-out).
External application (not so straightforward).
You could index all/relevant words and users and have a nice HTML with links, one for words and one for the person who posted and maybe one for date.
I can do some testing to see how to implement this browser-embedded search if you want.
Have fun, and even if you only provide HTMLs it would be greatly appreciated.
It would be nice if the really good stuff in the propeller forum
could be extracted and put into a sort of help file format.
I'm pasting stuff into txt files in a prop dir on my pc....every time
I find a nugget here it goes into a txt file.
I have a lot of Mike Green txt files
Maybe some of the really knowledgeable guys here could each
create a chapter for a book that details whatever they think
they can usefully add....the chapters could be named for each author.
"The Big Book of PROPaganda"
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If you can figure out how to do the browser embedded search would be great.
I can definetly make several html indexs
Keyword
User
Date of post
Attachments
And would welcome any ebooks or document submitions for inclusion.
To include a document email it to(use whole words not short forms or symbols)
Also include the word "of"
Sort(-1) @gmail.com
Please use subject parallax archive and only send if you have the wright to let me publish
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Holly said...
Maybe some of the really knowledgeable guys here could each
create a chapter for a book that details whatever they think
they can usefully add....the chapters could be named for each author.
"The Big Book of PROPaganda"
It's already being done. It's been a long process, but the thread recently surfaced in the Hydra forum. Each chapter is being done by a different author on an interesting subject.
@Matt - OK, I didn't get from your earlier posts that this thing's to be standalone, non-web.
So, since the DVD data will be static, here's an odd idea:
Let google do the indexing work for you!
Generate your HTML from the site. While you're doing that, generate a flat, text file with each thread's subject on it's own line in plain text in that file.
Write a simple routine that reads that line, goes to google and does an advanced search limited to the Parallax site.
Viola - back comes an index complete with cross references. Your routine just saves the returned HTML. Then all you'd need to do is create a table of contents (a master index). The other advantage to this, is that you could paste that on your own site, and have google *again* search that for keywords - then you could create any number of HTML "views" into the HTML table of contents. E.g, view by "robotics themes", by "analog electronics", by "propeller games." etc etc.
I would make it either a .txt or an .rtf file... Loads of advantages...
.txt:
They open almost instantaneously
They can be viewed on any OS, and probably even the prop
The only sad thing is, they are pretty huge files and images don't work in them...
.rtf:
can be opened almost instantaneously with WordPad
can handle images
The last thing to make it would be a .pdf... I hate .pdfs...
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[noparse][[/noparse]RANT] That it became the defacto web doc. standard must mean there's an evil conspiracy to reduce internet functionality to primal pond scum levels. [noparse][[/noparse]/RANT]
Reasons for html:
Can be opened in any os including many cell phones
Easily converted automatically from current form
Can link images and attached files on dvd as well as link web sites on internet.
Reasons for text alternative:
Can be read on prop and cell phones
Smaller with no attachments for mobile devices.
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[noparse][[/noparse]quote="CounterRotatingProps"]Generate your HTML from the site. While you're doing that, generate a flat, text file with each thread's subject on it's own line in plain text in that file.
Write a simple routine that reads that line, goes to google and does an advanced search limited to the Parallax site.
Viola - back comes an index complete with cross references. Your routine just saves the returned HTML. Then all you'd need to do is create a table of contents (a master index). The other advantage to this, is that you could paste that on your own site, and have google *again* search that for keywords - then you could create any number of HTML "views" into the HTML table of contents. E.g, view by "robotics themes", by "analog electronics", by "propeller games." etc etc.[noparse][[/noparse]/quote]
I like the idea of cross referencing all subject lines.· Though Google is an amazingly wounderful search engine it would probably be easier for me to write my own on the data capture already.· may not problem with google is i have to parse all the data it gives me back.· either way when you open each thread there should be a list of cross referenced posts.
See example page layout attached.
obviously for all posts posted the day of or day before i would have to change the date listed.
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As for size at present there is 40,000 topics and i estimate about 1GB of HTML code.
Attachments will take up a lot so this will probably have to be split over several DVDs.
Maybe 1 for prop, 1 for basic stamp,· 1 for robotics,SX,and sandbox, and 1 for everything else.
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You and me both (and the rest of the world), buddy!
[noparse][[/noparse]RANT] That it became the defacto web doc. standard must mean there's an evil conspiracy to reduce internet functionality to primal pond scum levels. [noparse][[/noparse]/RANT]
Interesting rant. What would you propose instead? And I'm not talking about archives of web pages, I'm talking about print-quality encapsulations of complex documents.
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
well, because it's a conspiracy that *succeeded* there is no alternative ;-( ... seriously though, it simply caught hold because it was the best - and first to the plate - of encapsulated format docs. (But it's UI really ~~ stinks~~ ! ) I suppose we could count postscript as a near miss.
It could have been anything - XML would work (except now for IP issues). You'd just have to have a reader/printer that would know what to do with it. E.g bin image tags, mime tags, postscript tags, etc.
Gads, even Word would have been better (sans macro virus loads of course [noparse]:)[/noparse] *YIKES*
Actually, IMO, this is one of the areas that the Open Source community let us down - but that's a topic for another thread.
cheers
- Howard
(And, yes, I have to use PDF's all day long - including *eeechhh* creating them)
(And, yes, I have to use PDF's all day long - including *eeechhh* creating them)
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There is no way I can respond to this without coming across as a zealot of some kind. I'll just suggest you look at alternate tools if you have issues with the *UI*. (pdf is a document format and has no UI).
First to the plate with the best solution most often wins. pdf is effectively an extension to PS and EPS and does what it was designed to do extremely well.
Not the right format for a web archive though, but *perfect* for when I want to be able to print a document you sent me *precisely* the way you intended it to look.
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
I agree almost completely. Right, it's not really pdf that has issues - it's what Adobe did with their UI. I have to disagree with it being perfect however - but then again, it might be the UI's / Print drivers ... 1 out of maybe 4 pdf docs I get or send do not look like or print like they should - usually a graphic is bjorked. The internals of a pdf make it very poor for searching... that the UI's are so slow in find is a reflection of the pdf structure, not the UI.
It's interesting that the Linux pdf readers seem to load and search faster than the windows versions.
Back on subject - since there's a version of grep for win, would it be the best tool under the hood for searching? (I don't know if there's a Mac verision of grep ... but as OSX in unix-like, seems reasonable that there would be.) ??
Well I run linux on my server good thing not trying to run it
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Once dvd are released we are locked into a set database architecture.
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It would be useful to also include on the CD/DVD a copy of all of the Parallax Propeller documentation and downloads, and a snapshot of the objects. It could then be useful for anyone that is wanting to get started without having to rely on an Internet connection to drag everything down.
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I'd suggest you get the requirements dand then think of how to implement
Store methods could be: HTML (it does not need conversion), info, tex, pdf.
Search methods:
Direct in browser (best) (with back-end and with-out).
External application (not so straightforward).
You could index all/relevant words and users and have a nice HTML with links, one for words and one for the person who posted and maybe one for date.
I can do some testing to see how to implement this browser-embedded search if you want.
Have fun, and even if you only provide HTMLs it would be greatly appreciated.
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pPropQL020: propeller.wikispaces.com/pPropQL020
OMU for the pPropQL/020 propeller.wikispaces.com/OMU
could be extracted and put into a sort of help file format.
I'm pasting stuff into txt files in a prop dir on my pc....every time
I find a nugget here it goes into a txt file.
I have a lot of Mike Green txt files
Maybe some of the really knowledgeable guys here could each
create a chapter for a book that details whatever they think
they can usefully add....the chapters could be named for each author.
"The Big Book of PROPaganda"
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I can definetly make several html indexs
Keyword
User
Date of post
Attachments
And would welcome any ebooks or document submitions for inclusion.
To include a document email it to(use whole words not short forms or symbols)
Also include the word "of"
Sort(-1) @gmail.com
Please use subject parallax archive and only send if you have the wright to let me publish
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It's already being done. It's been a long process, but the thread recently surfaced in the Hydra forum. Each chapter is being done by a different author on an interesting subject.
@Matt - OK, I didn't get from your earlier posts that this thing's to be standalone, non-web.
So, since the DVD data will be static, here's an odd idea:
Let google do the indexing work for you!
Generate your HTML from the site. While you're doing that, generate a flat, text file with each thread's subject on it's own line in plain text in that file.
Write a simple routine that reads that line, goes to google and does an advanced search limited to the Parallax site.
Viola - back comes an index complete with cross references. Your routine just saves the returned HTML. Then all you'd need to do is create a table of contents (a master index). The other advantage to this, is that you could paste that on your own site, and have google *again* search that for keywords - then you could create any number of HTML "views" into the HTML table of contents. E.g, view by "robotics themes", by "analog electronics", by "propeller games." etc etc.
- H
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.txt:
They open almost instantaneously
They can be viewed on any OS, and probably even the prop
The only sad thing is, they are pretty huge files and images don't work in them...
.rtf:
can be opened almost instantaneously with WordPad
can handle images
The last thing to make it would be a .pdf... I hate .pdfs...
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Reasons for html:
Can be opened in any os including many cell phones
Easily converted automatically from current form
Can link images and attached files on dvd as well as link web sites on internet.
Reasons for text alternative:
Can be read on prop and cell phones
Smaller with no attachments for mobile devices.
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Write a simple routine that reads that line, goes to google and does an advanced search limited to the Parallax site.
Viola - back comes an index complete with cross references. Your routine just saves the returned HTML. Then all you'd need to do is create a table of contents (a master index). The other advantage to this, is that you could paste that on your own site, and have google *again* search that for keywords - then you could create any number of HTML "views" into the HTML table of contents. E.g, view by "robotics themes", by "analog electronics", by "propeller games." etc etc.[noparse][[/noparse]/quote]
I like the idea of cross referencing all subject lines.· Though Google is an amazingly wounderful search engine it would probably be easier for me to write my own on the data capture already.· may not problem with google is i have to parse all the data it gives me back.· either way when you open each thread there should be a list of cross referenced posts.
See example page layout attached.
obviously for all posts posted the day of or day before i would have to change the date listed.
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Attachments will take up a lot so this will probably have to be split over several DVDs.
Maybe 1 for prop, 1 for basic stamp,· 1 for robotics,SX,and sandbox, and 1 for everything else.
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Interesting rant. What would you propose instead? And I'm not talking about archives of web pages, I'm talking about print-quality encapsulations of complex documents.
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
Hi Brad,
well, because it's a conspiracy that *succeeded* there is no alternative ;-( ... seriously though, it simply caught hold because it was the best - and first to the plate - of encapsulated format docs. (But it's UI really ~~ stinks~~ ! ) I suppose we could count postscript as a near miss.
It could have been anything - XML would work (except now for IP issues). You'd just have to have a reader/printer that would know what to do with it. E.g bin image tags, mime tags, postscript tags, etc.
Gads, even Word would have been better (sans macro virus loads of course [noparse]:)[/noparse] *YIKES*
Actually, IMO, this is one of the areas that the Open Source community let us down - but that's a topic for another thread.
cheers
- Howard
(And, yes, I have to use PDF's all day long - including *eeechhh* creating them)
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There is no way I can respond to this without coming across as a zealot of some kind. I'll just suggest you look at alternate tools if you have issues with the *UI*. (pdf is a document format and has no UI).
First to the plate with the best solution most often wins. pdf is effectively an extension to PS and EPS and does what it was designed to do extremely well.
Not the right format for a web archive though, but *perfect* for when I want to be able to print a document you sent me *precisely* the way you intended it to look.
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
It's interesting that the Linux pdf readers seem to load and search faster than the windows versions.
Back on subject - since there's a version of grep for win, would it be the best tool under the hood for searching? (I don't know if there's a Mac verision of grep ... but as OSX in unix-like, seems reasonable that there would be.) ??
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