Did the RadioShack overunity post get deleted?
W9GFO
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Sure, right when I say something philosophical - and others actually quote me for it - all evidence of such is erased.
Maybe I imagined the whole thing?
Rich H
edit: Government cover-up? Big oil execs getting worried? Conspiracy!?
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The Servo Boss, a 12 channel servo tester kit from Gadget Gangster.
Maybe I imagined the whole thing?
Rich H
edit: Government cover-up? Big oil execs getting worried? Conspiracy!?
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The Servo Boss, a 12 channel servo tester kit from Gadget Gangster.
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What were we talking about?
The only part that I was even half way serious about was the switch and measurement techniques. \
So... here's the story. I was doodling a design and playing with some little motors and paying absolutely no attention to the forum. When I tried to measure the current through the little motor... I couldn't. The motor never completely stalled and I ended up with a current measurement that was too low... So, in situations like this... what is the standard way of measuring the current? My only alternative was to find out how much current was left ... to measure the current coming out of a second motor using the first as a generator... looking at the various RPMS and then reason my way back to a right number. OR I could have tried hooking up more series resistance... but these kinds ad hoc approaches didn't seem satisfying. There should be a direct way of measuring current that works in this situation ... I did a quick google search and didn't find anything other than what I was doing.
The second issue was what I presumed to be static electricity being picked up by a piece of wire hooked up to a pin... a free proximity sensor. THIS phenomenon I found to be fascinating, and I think it is worth thinking and talking about. When I hooked up the sense pin to an LED... the closer my hand...the brighter the LED... just as you would expect. But then I tried to get scientific about it and measure the frequency on the sense pin... using Beau's object... I got something that was not expected:
The frequency started out in the Hz or low kHz range when my hand was close to the wire and WENT UP to hundreds of kHz as my hand moved away just before going out of range. The actual numbers varied but the pattern was always the same.
This frequency pattern is exactly the opposite of what I would expect. On a per packet by per packet basis... the lower the frequency... the LESS energy per packet. So getting a HIGHER frequency as you move away just makes no sense. Try it... it is really strange.
Anyway... I came back to the forum to talk about this stuff and got deflected by another thread[noparse]:)[/noparse]
My ill fated thread was actually an attempt at self-deprecatory humor. I do wonder how many fantastic claims have been made simply because people didn't know how to measure things or didn't know what to do when the measurements appear to make no conventional sense[noparse]:)[/noparse] But then again... I wonder about lots of stuff: exactly where is the center of the Universe?
Rich
Post Edited (rjo_) : 9/9/2009 2:37:17 PM GMT
I guess this is how people get excited about things like Brown's Gas, etc ....
> where is the center of the Universe?
You are the center of the Universe (your's that is). The meaning of life is living, the meaning of death is what happens after life.
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--Steve
Propeller Tools
Then there is the problem of language...
I have to admit that I had never heard of Brown's Gas. A quick google search produces hundreds of articles and explanations of how it works. It sounds like Brown's gas is real... but is it "free energy" any more than a chain reaction is free energy? Brown's gas consumes water. To me the term "free energy" implies producing something without consuming anything. There are people that have claimed to produce free energy motors...motors that produce more energy than they consume. That's a different kind of thinking than producing energy using a new technique. The idea of electro-chemical processes that produce energy at almost no cost isn't a problem for me. Lumping those efforts together with people who claim OU motors under the broad heading of "free energy" isn't fair or useful. My concept of free energy comes almost completely from people who claim to have over unity motors... which I just don't believe is possible[noparse]:)[/noparse]
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--Steve
Propeller Tools
I'm not sure I'm following exactly what you were doing...· To measure current used, wouldn't you simply hook up a dmm in series to the motor and read the current through it using the amps/millamps setting?
As for the frequency, I'm a bit lost understanding how you had things hooked up, but off the cuff I'd think that you've got a small rf circuit going on, and the closer your hand the more capacitance which would lower the oscillation frequency.
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There actually is an interesting problem here... it's not what I was trying to talk about... but I love the subject.
As everyone knows... in science, the numbers are supposed to add up. In actual life, they never do.
I don't know how I found it, but at one point I came across a review article about thermodynamics and the point of the review... in a real journal... don't remember which one... was that there has never been
an experiment, which completely accounted for energy... not even close. The closest anyone had come was to account for about 70% of the energy in a thermodynamic system.
The other fact that the press seems to ignore is that in science, we never actually prove anything. We try to disprove things. AND everything is based on assumptions. There was a very nice article about what the consequences of having a speed of light that changed very slowly... and the answer was that not much changes.
I don't see any reason why gravity shouldn't decay...etc. etc.
There is enough in science to satisfy the most doubting thomas and stimulate the most creative brain...
we have absolutely no need for pseudoscience[noparse]:)[/noparse]
Rich
YEA, I had a great piece on patents in that thread.
Yea, what IS that red light?
Who are you again? What was I talking about?
Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 9/9/2009 4:59:59 PM GMT
I am not aware of any post of yours being removed. Which forum was it in?
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Chris Savage
Parallax Engineering
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It's where my wife is at any point in spacetime.
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Don't worry. Be happy
Beau... over in the Prop forum... but I have complete faith in the judgement of the management.
It just didn't look quite right[noparse]:)[/noparse]
Rich
www.google.com/search?q=radio+shack+overunity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US[noparse]:o[/noparse]fficial&client=firefox-a
So... the LED gets brighter as you near the wire and the frequency goes down... that would mean the the effective pulse width is going up?
about the current measurement on the little Shack motor... there are only so many combinations... I tried them all[noparse]:)[/noparse]
I even bought a new meter...The numbers changed but didn't make sense(no pun intended).
I wasn't the originator of the thread but it was in the Propeller forum - it went way off topic.
@rjo_, Where is the center of the surface of a sphere?
@Paul, Years ago I photographed an Iridium flare. I often thought how cool it would be to take a group of people out on a dark night, point to an empty spot in the sky and make some corny incantation right when an Iridium flare passed over. What would they think?
Rich H
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The Servo Boss, a 12 channel servo tester kit from Gadget Gangster.
Added: Of course if the center and your two stars really make a line instead of a triangle, you would be right with some uncertainty.
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--Steve
Propeller Tools
- Propalyzer: Propeller PC Logic Analyzer
- BMA: An on-chip PASM Debugger
- SPUD: Spin Source Level Debugger
Post Edited (jazzed) : 9/9/2009 8:38:34 PM GMTAt one point I was an active (unofficial) contributor to the Journal of Covert Humor... stuff so funny it could start a war...
but I had to retire from that[noparse]:)[/noparse]
If you ever see the JoCH... that's not the right one.
Post Edited (rjo_) : 9/9/2009 9:15:40 PM GMT
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