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You and your OP-Amp Kit are Stranded on a Deserted Island ...

CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
edited 2009-09-01 21:32 in General Discussion
You have enough solar power·from your ship-wrecked boat... Of course, you'd want any and all op amps related to signaling. So let's exclude those specialized·for radio/transmitting because you'd take them·anyway.

You can pick any other Op-Amps. You're limited to 20 types, with say 100 each...

Unfortunately for you, you will be stranded for 5 years - and there is nothing else to do on the Island except be haunted by the theme from Gilligan's Island.

What Op Amps would you take?··And a short "why" would be great.



thanks,

-Howard

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  • Agent420Agent420 Posts: 439
    edited 2009-08-31 15:42
    Well, if it's good enough for Sayid...

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  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-08-31 17:59
    Agent, that's funny looking... what's / who's " Sayid " ? ... And that guy looks like he's not debugging, but rather ready to EAT that bug!

    Sure, the 741 *might* belong in the list - but since it's not got much headroom between the rails, and other issues, it's probably not good enough for "professional survival mode" [noparse]:)[/noparse])

    Then, again, maybe a few are needed to be expendable before using the good stuff.

    Any more takers please? Even if you list only a couple, that's great. The real purpose of this is to get a consensus on essential OpAmps to stock a basic electronics lab for a serious hobbyist or pro working alone... I'll consolidate the list at the thread top if/when we get a good number of chips listed.

    So your suggestions hopefully will be of assistance to other folks here too.

    thanks

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  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2009-08-31 18:33
    Getting the busted marine transceiver to work would top my priority list [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    The 741 was the one that popped in my head immediately (386 too but audio only if I remember). 741 might not be the best, but it is very common, and I would certainly recognize it in a circuit board ... the slew rate might be worse than a 386 though. Of course I would probably be looking for diodes, transistors, caps, etc... and a big fire (which would serve a few purposes). I'm afraid using the boat battery for powering a makeshift soldering iron would not be very efficient. Hmm, a magnifying glass and the equatorial sun might help Fahrenheit 451?. I would also want a meter if it was available ... in lieu of that, a long thin wire, nails, and some frogs (or fish) might help.

    Great picture by the way [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • Agent420Agent420 Posts: 439
    edited 2009-08-31 18:35
    Not a fan of the series 'LOST' I presume ;-) ?· It's based on an folks stranded on an island.· A very strange island. With strange technology.

    I have to admit I haven't done much that requires more than the readily available generic TL082 or LM1458 could handle.


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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,572
    edited 2009-08-31 20:34
    If I were stranded, I would try to construct a good J-pole antenna remembering a few numbers(22-23-234-705), use the solar to charge the boat battery during the day, and try to transmit Morse code at night with a simple code practice oscillator made from a few discrete transistors. If I could find a speaker, I might be able to use that as a microphone to modulate my voice. Remember, while being stranded, I would not care if I was being FCC friendly or not. smilewinkgrin.gif


    As for Op-amps to have handy, the ones mentioned are fine but some are out of date, how about a few of these to try??

    LM358 dual op-amp for $0.50 from Parallax

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.
  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-08-31 21:20
    Thanks for the replies all...

    I am asking for OpAmps only - not really for survival or rescue tips (which we hope we'll never need, eh?)

    In other words, you won't be rescued for 5 years, but all you have is food, shelter, power, and OpAmps to keep you from loosing your mind. (OK, sure, as a travelling tech, you had your test gear, meter, scope, soldering iron and an inverter, on board [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Ouch - The sharks ate your marine radios.

    Looking for the useful, practical ones, but also for interesting, new, or unusual items like:

    - micro-power or rail to rail, e.g. TI's TLV276x
    - high slew-rate, wide bandwidth, e.g. TI's THS452x differential
    - filters, etc for ADC/DAC, e.g. Linear Tech's LTC6603
    - precision, zero drift instrumentation, e.g. Linear's LTC2053
    - high-current, feedback line drivers, e.g. Linear's LT1210

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    Post Edited (CounterRotatingProps) : 8/31/2009 9:25:14 PM GMT
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,572
    edited 2009-08-31 21:28
    CounterRotatingProps,

    The LTC1078 is one of my favorite micro power Dual-Op Amps

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2009-08-31 21:29
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
    If I were stranded, I would try to construct a good J-pole antenna remembering a few numbers(22-23-234-705), use the solar to charge the boat battery during the day, and try to transmit Morse code at night with a simple code practice oscillator made from a few discrete transistors. If I could find a speaker, I might be able to use that as a microphone to modulate my voice. Remember, while being stranded, I would not care if I was being FCC friendly or not. smilewinkgrin.gif
    I would too, and I'd use the thing to try to get in touch with Mike Green and ask him which Op-Amp I should be using.
  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-08-31 21:48
    Paul,
    LOL
    that's very funny - so ok, in your case -and yours only- you can have a direct radio connection to Mike Green... but when he tells you what to get, please let us know. [noparse]:)[/noparse])

    - H

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  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2009-08-31 21:56
    Whatever Beau says. You guys just think I know everything. Hah! That just shows you how well my PR agent works for her money.
  • Carl HayesCarl Hayes Posts: 841
    edited 2009-08-31 22:11
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
    If I were stranded, I would try to construct a good J-pole antenna remembering a few numbers(22-23-234-705), use the solar to charge the boat battery during the day, and try to transmit Morse code at night with a simple code practice oscillator made from a few discrete transistors. If I could find a speaker, I might be able to use that as a microphone to modulate my voice. Remember, while being stranded, I would not care if I was being FCC friendly or not. smilewinkgrin.gif


    As for Op-amps to have handy, the ones mentioned are fine but some are out of date, how about a few of these to try??

    LM358 dual op-amp for $0.50 from Parallax

    Code practice oscillator?· You want someone to hear the audio?· Me, I'd want to generate some RF instead.

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  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2009-08-31 22:15
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
    I would not care if I was being FCC friendly or not.

    The FCC wouldn't care either, in such a situation (I think being stranded counts as life threatening) it is perfectly legal to use any frequency available to you.

    Rich H
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2009-08-31 22:23
    I thought Beau was talking about making a spark-gap generator ... the first Trans-Atlantic message was sent this way no?

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,572
    edited 2009-08-31 22:58
    Carl,

    "Code practice oscillator? You want someone to hear the audio? Me, I'd want to generate some RF instead."

    jazzed,

    I thought Beau was talking about making a spark-gap generator


    Considering who would be putting it together, you never know what technical borderline I would be breaking. smilewinkgrin.gif


    ...The next survival reality TV show in the making.

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    Beau Schwabe

    IC Layout Engineer
    Parallax, Inc.
  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-08-31 23:07
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...

    ... Considering who would be putting it together, you never know what technical borderline I would be breaking. smilewinkgrin.gif

    ...The next survival reality TV show in the making.
    Beau,

    have you been studying the Professor's role from Gilligan's Island again? tongue.gif

    Make's me think of the good line from another oldy, "Lost in Space":

    "It must be a dented diode or a twisted transistor."

    LOL
    - H
    PS more op amps, please?

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  • Tracy AllenTracy Allen Posts: 6,667
    edited 2009-09-01 01:36
    Well, an op-amp is only as good as its feedback, so I'd hope to dig up a chest full of resistors, capacitors, transistors etc etc., not to mention the BOEs and wire, or a life line to the Gadget Gangster.
    Op amps though:
    LM10 one of the original low power rail to rail op amps with a built in 0.2 volt reference. Versatile. It should be packed in along with Jim Widlar's original descriptions and application notes, because you can spend 5 years figuring out how it works and trying the circuits.
    LT1490A a micropower op amp, rail to rail with good accuracy. I really like this one. Others are bringing the LM358s and the LT1078s, so we can share.
    LTC1051 autozeroing for high accuracy, 5 microvolts input offset. But will we need such accuracy on the island?
    LMC6062 for femtoAmp input bias current for our pH meters that we will need for our fish farm.
    LTC6241 for higher bandwidth, 18 mHz with 1pA input bias for our light wave communication system (just in case).
    LT1028 for best noise figure and 75 hHz bandwidth, for audio, Hey! we may as well have top notch audio gear.
    Matched transistor arrays. Plenty of time to build our own op amp or special function Better bring the book.
    Sample box of op-amps with a wide range of characteristics. There is a reason there are so many available, no single one is ideal.

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    www.emesystems.com
  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-09-01 16:38
    Thanks for the thorough reply, Tracy

    good, now we won't be too bored on the island, will have yummy fish and good accuracy for measuring sand-grain diameters...

    Here's some reading material for the hammock hung between the palms:

    http://www.national.com/rap/Horrible/widlar.html
    link from there to some of Widler's app notes [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    - H

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  • Agent420Agent420 Posts: 439
    edited 2009-09-01 16:50
    ^ I love reading Bob Pease's columns...· Don't know why National got rid of him.

    And he for one really looks like he actually has been stranded on a desert island with just a couple of opamps ;-)


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  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-09-01 16:54
    Agent420 said...

    And he for one really looks like he actually has been stranded on a desert island with just a couple of opamps ;-)

    lol.gif·lol.gif

    > I love reading Bob Pease's columns...· Don't know why National got rid of him.

    Maybe because he asked, "What's all this National Semiconductor Management Stuff, Anyhow?"

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,572
    edited 2009-09-01 18:26
    Bob Pease is definitely an interesting character to say the least.

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    Parallax, Inc.
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2009-09-01 18:48
    Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
    Bob Pease is definitely an interesting character to say the least.
    Takes one to know one. I find that the members of·these forums and most eletronics people are interesting characters.

    I liked Tracy's comment on the OpAmp question,·"There is a reason there are so many available, no single one is ideal."

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    "We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths." - Walt Disney

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,572
    edited 2009-09-01 20:40
    Whit,

    I was thinking from the angle of being a former co-worker, but yes I agree, I suppose it does "take one to know one" - grin

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  • Tracy AllenTracy Allen Posts: 6,667
    edited 2009-09-01 21:14
    Not Jim, its Bob Widlar, right. I was getting his first name mixed up with Jim Williams from Linear, another character whose analog app notes would make good reading on the island.

    I started using the LM34 temperature sensor soon after it came out from National, and called their tech support line for advice about calibration. The operator said, "one minute", I found myself talking to Bob Pease. Not just some guy from marketing. Bob explained how they did the calibrations at the wafer level in production and compared that to the double cardboard boxes they had in the development lab and the tricks to setting it up to get accurate results. His writings are amazingly eclectic, from how to troubleshoot a leak in your roof, to motorbike trekking in Thailand.

    More Bob Pease about Bob Widlar: www.national.com/rap/Story/widlar.html
    And Widlar's article New Op Amp Ideas, incidentally, written while he was working sort of on an island, out of a post office box in Puerto Vallarta.

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  • CounterRotatingPropsCounterRotatingProps Posts: 1,132
    edited 2009-09-01 21:32
    > New Op Amp Ideas

    Wow, Tracy

    looks like you've dug up some buried treasure - arrr matey!

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    Post Edited (CounterRotatingProps) : 9/1/2009 9:46:48 PM GMT
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