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My latest creation... Here now by popular demand!

wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
edited 2011-07-06 08:52 in Propeller 1
Hey Fellow Propellerheads,

I posted a message in the Sandbox about a project that I've been working on for the last year or so. Several people saw it and requsted that I also post it here for you guys. You can see it here: http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=916487

Bascially, to sum it up, we're going to production with a Propeller based project!!!! smile.gif It's a handheld Electronic Flight Information System (EFIS) for pilots that we call the "Wingman." Attached is a picture for your viewing pleasure.

The prototype was built around Rayman's 4.3" touchscreen LCD and a single prop, with 64k eeprom, internal SD card (hence my modified bootloader in the OBEX) and contains all the sensors for it to figure out it's relative attitude (GPS, Compass, Gyros and Accelerometers.) It's designed to work in conjunction with a handheld aviation GPS to provide a "complete picture" of what the airplane is doing and where it is at, as well as "highway in the sky" symbology to guide the pilot to their destination.

The case I have is one that I designed and had Chuck over at Mountain King cut out of acrylic with his laser. We then wrapped it in a nice padded foam edging to trim it out. The whole unit is 4.75"x3.25"x.875" and weights about 7 oz. It's got an internal li-ion 1000mah battery which will run it for well over an hour on battery power alone. In fact, our testing has shown over two hours depending on the configuration and screen brightness.

We're announcing it to the world later today with a press release and we'll begin shipping the Wingman in August. If anyone is going to be at Oshkosh this year, look us up and come take a look at just what the propeller is capable of. (We'll be in Hangar D, Booth 4101.)

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  • RaymanRayman Posts: 13,861
    edited 2010-06-25 14:48
    Very cool!·

    BTW:· I now have 3.5" displays working that use less battery (just a thought for you).

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  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2010-06-25 14:57
    Hi wjsteele.

    Nice use of PROPELLER.
    And Very nice product.


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  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-06-25 15:35
    Rayman said...
    I now have 3.5" displays working that use less battery...

    Actually, I think the 4.3" is about the smallest we'll go with this... it matches perfectly what the GPS screen looks like and if we made it too much smaller the information would get clustered to close together. For the battery issue, we're actually looking at (and currently testing in the prototype) a 2000mAh battery. That should make it last quite a bit longer. (However, the GPS we use as a benchmark only has a 1.25 hour battery life.)

    Bill
  • chris joneschris jones Posts: 391
    edited 2010-06-25 15:42
    if you dont mind me asking how did you magane to queryu the battery. i see it says 12+ at the top corner
  • Nick McClickNick McClick Posts: 1,003
    edited 2010-06-25 16:05
    Bill,

    AWESOME! A great example of how the basic graphics on the prop can be used to convey important information. Very sharp and professional, something I'm sure you're proud of.

    Just curious - I don't know much about aviation products, what's the price range on something like this?

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  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-06-25 17:29
    Chris: The 12+ indicates how many Satellites are in view. It's a 20 channel GPS, but it only indicates 12+ after the 12th. But we do measure the battery voltage level with an ADC which was one of the spare channels we had on the MCP3208. It's pretty easy to do, and it's easy to tell when it's plugged in and charging because it over volts the battery when it's being charged, so we can use that as our test. (We're using the MAX1555 for our charging circuit.)

    Nick: This will retail for $1,595. Of course, it'll show up in some places for less. It's actually the lowest priced backup Attitude Indicator that I am aware of... and it's the only portable one. BTW, I actually used your Propeller Platform SD as an inspiration for the main board. Obviously, I had to modify it, but I used your boards as my original working prototypes, with Rayman's 4.3" display on top of them. Can't say thank you to you guys enough!!!

    Bill
  • Invent-O-DocInvent-O-Doc Posts: 768
    edited 2010-06-25 17:43
    Wow. What a cool project.

    Now that you are commercializing something, do you have to get FCC certification? If so, how did you go about doing that?

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  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-06-25 18:16
    Because we are not a transmitter, we do not need "certification." We will, however, need "Verification" that we don't cause any unintended radiation, which is done with a "Declaration of Conformity." There are testing labs that do that stuff and once they are done, they'll issue the Declaration.

    Also, because the Wingman is portable, it doesn't need FAA Certification either.

    Bill
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2010-06-25 19:53
    excellent project wjsteele [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • JonnyMacJonnyMac Posts: 8,924
    edited 2010-06-25 21:51
    Bill,

    That is really cool; it's nice to see a practical application of the Propeller's graphics output. Nicely done.

    Jon

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  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-06-25 23:16
    Bill,

    As I said over in the Sandbox, Congratulations and best of luck for sales. It seems to be an excellent, and relatively cheap piece of kit for the pilot of a small plane.

    Perhaps you might elaborate when you have the time as to what benefit the Prop has over a conventional micro smile.gif

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  • Andrey DemenevAndrey Demenev Posts: 377
    edited 2010-06-26 00:26
    Bill, great project!

    Could you please provide some details about how you made the enclosure? Is it going to be used in final product, or you will have another ready-made or custom enclosure?
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-06-27 14:36
    Cluso99 said...
    Perhaps you might elaborate when you have the time as to what benefit the Prop has over a conventional micro

    Cluso: We evaluated several CPUs for the Wingman, but in each case, we went back to the propeller for various reasons. Our biggest reason was the fact that the propeller is a multi-processing environment. We didn't have to resort to using interrupts for handling the various timing issues with the different sensors. We could simply have a cog dedicated to the different tasks and forget the complicated stuff. Also, having tremendous resources like the OBEX and this forum really sped our development process by a significant margin. The collective brain power just on this forum alone was well worth the slightly higher production costs with the prop. For example, we're doing some LMM magic to fit all the functionallity we need into the prop that we learned from here. That idea never occured to us until we saw it here and I would say that that single idea allowed us to proceed because the Prop simply didn't have enough memory otherwise. (In fact, we were working on a dual and tri propeller configuration before that!)
    Andrey Demenev said...
    Could you please provide some details about how you made the enclosure? Is it going to be used in final product, or you will have another ready-made or custom enclosure?

    Andrey: My case is a custom design that I drew up in TurboCad. I've attached the DXF files (but Chuck has better ones on file that he "corrected" to work better with the laser cutter.) I've also attached a few pictures of the "raw" pieces so you can see how they stack up. The Acrylic pieces are glued together with 100% Acetone. Lastly, I've attached a picture of the foam padding that I use on the outside along with all the individual parts. It's glued on with CA.

    Now... feel free to call Chuck up and have him make you some pieces, however I ask one thing. Please do not use my design in Black for a commercial product. I don't care about personal use or any other colors... but I'm reserving black for my product and I don't want any confusion in the marketplace. We've done a White case with a "Silver" or "Gray" padding and that looks fantastic, too... kind of "Apple"ish in style. We're sticking to black and have no plans on changing it. For any other colors, please feel free to use my design as you wish.

    By the way, the order of assembly I use is this: Front Bezel, Side Panel, LCD (fits in Side Panel, with a bit of foam to space it correctly and shock protect it,) LCD Support panel, 4 or 5 side panels, optional back support panel and finally the back. If you use the optional back support or LCD support panel for the last piece, you can affix the back panel to it with screws or CA Glue to make it removable. Everything else is glued with 100% Acetone. Be careful with it, as it will mar the finish, so only apply it from the inside. Simply clean the pieces, stack them and use either a q-tip or syringe to apply the Acetone to the joints inside the unit. It will automatically wick to fill up the void. I use small plastic clamps to hold everything in place while the glue sets. Acetone actually melts the plastic together so it won't come apart unless you break it. CA Glue is more like a rubber cement, it will hold it as long as you want, but you can pull it apart and clean it up. I use CA to hold the back of the case on as well as to hold the foam rubber padding around the edge on. It'll last quite a while, I might add!

    Bill

    Post Edited (wjsteele) : 6/27/2010 2:44:19 PM GMT
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-06-27 23:10
    Thanks Bill. Yes the prop is an amazing chip and we are only just starting to understand it's possibilities. Thanks for your reasons to use the Prop as it may help others in their decisions to use the prop over another chip(s).

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  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-06-27 23:19
    Oh yeah... assembling my cases earlier Today, I forgot to mention that my drawings are not perfectly aligned... for a reason. The 4.3" LCD panel is offset a little top to bottom, so my Side Layer and Front Bezel are both offset slightly to accomodate that shift. Simply use the thinnest parts of the side layer and bezel at the top of the LCD, to get the display to align correctly. If you mess it up, you'll see that the LCD border sticks out way too far on the top or the bottom. I used a small piece of the foam material at the top to force the LCD to the bottom of the area to center it better.

    Also, the LCD is two side layers thick, not one like I mentioned above.

    Here's a picture of 5 units that I made earlier Today without the foam boarder yet. If you look closely, you can see the layering I used.

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  • Andrey DemenevAndrey Demenev Posts: 377
    edited 2010-07-03 03:12
    Bill, thanks a lot for description and the photos. I am very far from using this technology for commercial purposes, but it can be very helpful for things I do for myself
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,253
    edited 2010-07-03 03:21
    Excellent write up. Thanks a bunch for sharing your experience with us here. That validates something I've been wondering about. Rapid development + clear niche = good Propeller alignment, given the task is within the scope of the chip capability overall.

    Good luck on sales.

    Were you interested in code protection? Your comments on that would be appreciated.

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2010-07-03 03:49
    Bill,

    What a great product! And a cool-looking one, too! It's really nice to see the Prop applied in such a manner. One question, though:
    wjsteele said...
    The Acrylic pieces are glued together with 100% Acetone.
    How in the world do you control the stuff so it doesn't run all over the place and touch surfaces it's not supposed to? My experiences with gluing almost always turn out badly. As a consequence, I've resorted to 3M double-stick tape for laminating laser-cut parts. I adhere the tape to the uncut acrylic, then cut it out, through plastic, adhesive, and backing. After it's cut, I can peel off the backing and stick the part to the next one in the stack.

    -Phil
  • EaglemanEagleman Posts: 31
    edited 2010-07-03 13:32
    Congrats on the nice work for your Wingman.· Also, nice job on the enclosure.· Do you have a link or more info on contacting King Mountain?
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-07-04 02:56
    Somebody said...
    How in the world do you control the stuff so it doesn't run all over the place and touch surfaces it's not supposed to?

    That's actually pretty easy... simply clamp the pieces together and apply the acetone with a syringe or q-tip from the inside. All you have to do is touch the joint with it and it will "wick" into the joint. Let the clamps stay in place for about 2 minutes and it's all done.

    I need to use glue because the tape will come undone in high temperature scenerios... like when it is on top of the instrument panel in an airplane. smile.gif

    Actually, the Acetone and C/A Glue both work great with high temperatures. The nice thing about C/A is that you can peel it away if you accidently get too much on it. After about 45 minutes, it's very gummy and quite easy to remove without marring the acrylic.

    Don't even attempt to remove a marred surface from acetone, however... it's ruined if you touch it.

    Bill
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-07-04 03:12
    Potatohead, we really wern't looking at protecting the code at all. It's a simple matter to document everything. If someone is going to reverse engineer it, so be it. If they try to market a product like it using our technology, we'll simply let the legal process take it's place. The software is clearly labeled with our copyright. Protecting the code in some way is only going to slow them down a bit... but if someone is determined, there is nothing we can do about it.

    Our business plans call for updates on a regular basis that will keep our competitors on their toes. We have a few aces up our sleeves when it comes to future innovations, and that's what is going to keep us ahead. (Basically, let them copy us... as soon as we do, we'll throw down one of our cards. smile.gif )

    Bill
  • RinksCustomsRinksCustoms Posts: 531
    edited 2010-07-04 04:05
    Awesome and very innovative indeed, even slick ideas with the code copywriting.. when i get my private license, i'll be looking to get one of these.

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  • MikerocontrollerMikerocontroller Posts: 310
    edited 2010-07-24 00:19
    Congratulations!· I saw your portable EFIS featured in the Aero Products & Services section of Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine (July 19, 2010).
  • wjsteelewjsteele Posts: 697
    edited 2010-09-15 19:12
    Cool. The Wingman made the Plane and Pilot's Top 11 New Products at Oshkosh this year!

    http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/products/pilot-supplies/11-best-new-products.html?start=3

    The Propeller is moving up in the world!!! :-)

    Bill
  • RavenkallenRavenkallen Posts: 1,057
    edited 2010-09-15 19:26
    That is really cool. I hope the Prop starts gaining the recognition that it deserves...
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2010-09-16 00:54
    Congratulations Bill. Great to have your product so well received.
  • Bill HenningBill Henning Posts: 6,445
    edited 2010-09-17 14:24
    Congrats - it looks like a very nice product.
    wjsteele wrote: »
    Cool. The Wingman made the Plane and Pilot's Top 11 New Products at Oshkosh this year!

    http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/products/pilot-supplies/11-best-new-products.html?start=3

    The Propeller is moving up in the world!!! :-)

    Bill
  • SeariderSearider Posts: 290
    edited 2010-09-18 05:55
    wjsteele wrote: »
    Cool. The Wingman made the Plane and Pilot's Top 11 New Products at Oshkosh this year!


    Outstanding & congratulation to you and your team!
  • vanmunchvanmunch Posts: 568
    edited 2010-09-18 20:26
    Congratulations! I saw you demonstrating it at the UPENE and it looked very impressive. I also think that it's neat that a lot of the major composites that you're using are also from the Propeller community such as the display from Rayman and the enclosure from Chuck.

    So is one of your "Aces" going to be Solitaire? :) Actually it would be cool if it had some kind of augmented reality game component to it...
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2011-07-06 08:52
    This device has been out for a year now. How is it doing?

    Have any competitors tried to copy it yet? How did you keep ahead?
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