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mctrivia
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Posted 10/16/2009 11:52 AM (GMT -8)

the 2x20 will be compatible with the ide connector on my memory module.

propmod_us and propmod_1x1 are in stock. Only $30. PCB available for $5

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Posted 10/16/2009 12:08 PM (GMT -8)

Just the breakout is really important to have ... think about all those sparkfun boards.

I'm sure Rayman will produce a nice board with the Propeller and other stuff.
Actually, If I was in Rayman's position, I would be asking for a little payback in return for creating the market.

WBA Consulting
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Posted 10/16/2009 12:43 PM (GMT -8)

I am reviewing the datasheet attached to the very first post and having a bit of trouble determining the proper opening size for a case. Page 27 in the PDF is the Outline Dimension DWG and there are several dimensions with abbreviations on the perimeter of the front side view (the view on the left). Here's what I have figured out for the abbreviations/dimensions by using the design guide notes on page 14/15 of the PDF (section 4.3) and the Outline Dimension DWG on page 27:

OUT SIZE = Outer dimensions of display
TSP = Touch Screen Panel
TSP V/A = Touch Screen Panel Viewing Area
C/F POL = Crystal Film Polarizer?
TSP A/A = Touch Screen Panel Active Area

It appears that the viewing area (inner bezel dimensions) as defined on page 15 should would make the width of the hole in the case 98.7mm (104.9 TSP - 3.1mm (left bezel edge) - 3.1mm (right bezel edge)). The height of the hole would be 56.5mm (64.9 TSP - 3.1mm (top bezel edge) - 5.3mm (bottom edge))

Anyone else take a hard look at the dimensions for making a case opening?

Andrew Williams
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Roger Lee
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Posted 10/16/2009 1:25 PM (GMT -8)

@mctrivia, My vote is for option 2. Minimum components, connector, header(s), ?.

Not sure how much can be included and still be called "breakout board".
I'm know Rays PSB will be at least as impressive as his PSM, and that is saying something.
Sounds like he could put the extra time to good use.

Keep at it Ray.

mctrivia
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Posted 10/16/2009 1:29 PM (GMT -8)

Glad everyone agreas. Just finished laying it out.

Included parts are led driver and touch to i2c converter.

Will have price quote soon but first need to spend time with my wife.

mctrivia
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Posted 10/16/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -8)

here is my schematic. bipass caps not shown but do exist.

please tell me if you see anything you think should be changed.

2x20 header uses same grounds as IDE if wondering why so many grounds.

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Rayman
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Posted 10/16/2009 5:11 PM (GMT -8)

Wow, this shipping stuff is hard work! I just packaged up 6 more boxes. That's 8 total so far, everybody I've invoiced, except for one whose invoice got mixed up somehow... I think I must have double or triple invoiced somebody else!

I'll invoice the next batch of orders first thing tomorrow...

Here's a pic of the boxes to ship tomorrow:

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

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kerryw
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Posted 10/16/2009 5:17 PM (GMT -8)

Rayman said...
Wow, this shipping stuff is hard work! I just packaged up 6 more boxes. That's 8 total so far, everybody I've invoiced, except for one whose invoice got mixed up somehow... I think I must have double or triple invoiced somebody else!

I'll invoice the next batch of orders first thing tomorrow...

Here's a pic of the boxes to ship tomorrow:

I think you are talking about my invoice that got mixed up. I did finally get it and authorized Paypal payment. Thanks Ray.

Kerry

"Heaven help me Marge, I'm just not that smart." - Homer Simpson

Mausman
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Posted 10/17/2009 1:24 AM (GMT -8)

Hi, Looks great, just waiting for my invoice.
Looks like there are a lot of oputunities for the lcd.

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 6:17 AM (GMT -8)

Just want to point out a very nice thing about this display for you driver writers out there...

Although I've just more or less used the standard VGA tile driver scheme, this display allows much more flexibility with the Prop because you're not tied to 60 Hz... In fact, the display looks great even at 14 Hz. I don't even think the refresh rate has to be constant.

So, cool things like 80 column text with a custom size font (like 6x10) should be possible. Also, 6-bit pictures should be possible in one cog. I'll have to see if the i2c or SD card busses are fast enough to escape main HUB ram size limitations...

Also, I bet one could do a proportional font... I'm still dreaming of an LCARS interface:

http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=257204

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 9:43 AM (GMT -8)

I'm sorry to report that after going through my inbox today, I have more orders than LCD screens :(...

I have one request for 10 that I'm going to have to limit to 5 (sorry) to ship to one more person...

But, don't worry too much because I'm 99% sure I can get more. I'm going to email my supplier with a desperate plee right now :)

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

Baggers
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Posted 10/17/2009 9:48 AM (GMT -8)

Let me know how it goes, as I'd like to order some :D

http://www.propgfx.co.uk/forum/ home of the PropGFX Lite

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -8)

if they are sending them to you cheap i would ask for 1000 they will sell.

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 10:53 AM (GMT -8)

I noticed I forgot to run the I2C touch information to header so here is an updated schematic and part layout.

I have not gotten a quote back on how much assembly will cost yet but it looks like fully assembled and populated the boards will cost about $19.99

If you do not need the backlight or i2c touch screen then we are looking at about $9.99

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CounterRotatingProps
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:04 AM (GMT -8)

Ray,

Just wanted to say thanks publically.

IMO, with your first direct selling adventure, you've done the prompt and courteous customer service we always hope for.

You'll do well in your future ventures!

Looking forward to buying things from you in the future.

- Howard

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:08 AM (GMT -8)

Actually, going without the touchscreen may make sense in certian cases...
I've heard that you can put the whole thing on a hot-plate and remove the touchscreen (or something to that effect).

I think the display would be prettier without the touchscreen... The touchscreen always adds a bit of haze...

PS: Thanks Howard!

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:21 AM (GMT -8)

keeping back light but removing just touch screen would make $15.99. Of course I am assuming James will give me a decent deal on the assembly since I have made it really easy for him.

it is kind of crazy that the ics each are almost the same price as the screen :( more expensive since i assume you are making a profit selling them.

By default the I2C A0 and A1 will be set to 1 but it can be easily changed by removing the 0 ohm resister and adding a new one in the 0 position. There are pads on the bottom of the pcb for 2 extra bipass caps. They will not be needed for most applications but i made them available for easy additions if you want to be extra careful.

To keep prices low I can only make 2 of the following options and need approximate numbers of each to have assembled.

1) Bare PCB $4.99
2) Header only $9.99*
3) Backlight and Header $15.99*
4) Everything $19.99*
*prices estimates only depend on assembly quote.

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -8)

Those prices are probably better than what I could offer...
I still think more people would want a 6-bit color interface than a 24-bit interface, but I could be wrong...

I suppose somebody could just use jumper wires to make yours whatever they wanted though...

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:35 AM (GMT -8)

my memory module will be able to do 16 to 24 bit colour. but if you want 6 bit you can just jumper the bits together.

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:52 AM (GMT -8)

One non-obvious design point... I've added a pull-down resistor on DON because the display goes haywire sometimes if this is left floating... Adding this resistor lets people share pins with the VGA driver without having to handle code to control DON to switch back and forth...

My PSB prototype shares sync and color pins with the VGA port. The idea is to pick one or the other. And, to use existing VGA code without modification. Problem was that the LCD would go haywire and pull down Vdd unless DON was set to 0 first...

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

James Long
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Posted 10/17/2009 11:59 AM (GMT -8)

mctrivia said...
keeping back light but removing just touch screen would make $15.99. Of course I am assuming James will give me a decent deal on the assembly since I have made it really easy for him.

it is kind of crazy that the ics each are almost the same price as the screen :( more expensive since i assume you are making a profit selling them.

By default the I2C A0 and A1 will be set to 1 but it can be easily changed by removing the 0 ohm resister and adding a new one in the 0 position. There are pads on the bottom of the pcb for 2 extra bipass caps. They will not be needed for most applications but i made them available for easy additions if you want to be extra careful.

To keep prices low I can only make 2 of the following options and need approximate numbers of each to have assembled.

1) Bare PCB $4.99
2) Header only $9.99*
3) Backlight and Header $15.99*
4) Everything $19.99*
*prices estimates only depend on assembly quote.

Matt,

How are you panelizing those...and if you used our calculator......we will probably give a break.......mainly because this is a project on the Parallax forum.

I think we can do it for the price mentioned, but you would need to email me what you think the assembly price is calculated at, for us to make sure.

James L

James L
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Please note: Due to economic conditions the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice. Thanks for your understanding.

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 12:18 PM (GMT -8)

ok I will add the pull down resister.

James Long has confirmed the price for assembly and the listed prices are accurate. I am going to start a new thread for quantities.

neoteric
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Posted 10/17/2009 1:53 PM (GMT -8)

Wha? Sold out? I've been waiting for them to become available. I really missed the boat. :)

How should we order them? I've been going to your site.

Let us know if you get more in!

Rayman
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Posted 10/17/2009 7:27 PM (GMT -8)

I'm pretty sure I'll get more... But, after a couple hundred, I'm told the price will increase a little, maybe $10 more.
But, even at $50, I think these things would be a great deal. You guys are lucky I'm not greedy!

My Prop Info&Apps: http://www.rayslogic.com/propeller/propeller.htm

mctrivia
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Posted 10/17/2009 7:49 PM (GMT -8)

is that $50 for 100? if so i still recomend getting 1000 for $500. i guarantee you will get your money back. If still available in the first quarter of next year I will pay you $500 for 100 screens.

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