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   Posted 4/23/2009 8:32 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Here is my latest ZiCog code on Blade #2 of the TriBladeProp. I thought it more relevant to post here than the ZiCog thread.

I have attached the zipped source files. The ZiCog Z80 code is not heaters latest (I am still using v005). There is an issue I need to fix by updating the TBP (TriBladeProp) driver. Currently I am resetting the cog to overcome this until I get time to fix (add a simple routine). All software to compile is in the demo zip file including the homespun compiler and the batch file to compile. There are 3 or 4 warnings about missing '#' in the jmp/ret instructions but this is in fact correct.

I have also attached the zipped disk files for the microSD card. It is a large file. Expand it first on your pc and then copy DRIVE__C.DSK to files A through H. This is a blank CPM2.2 disk which can be used for 1MB drives A...H. Expand DRIVE_1MB.RAM. This file is used to load the CPM boot information into the RAM (sram) by the spin program. DRVCPM_2.DSK is the disk file containing all the CPM2 files, formatted as a 1MB drive. It is best to leave this untouched and just copy it over the DRIVE__A.DSK you have made above. This way anything you do will overwrite/add to the A CPM drive and you will still have an original. And CPM will boot to the A drive.

Once these files are ready, format your microSD card with FAT16 and preferably 32KB clusters. Then copy these files one by one. They will then be contiguous (using successive clusters) because we access them using physical addresses once the starting point is found under FAT16.

SURVEY is the CPM program that shows the disk drives and memory map. It will not display drives until you have done a DIR command.

As I haven't included the CPM3 disk file, edit the spin demo file to change the H drive to use DRIVE__H.DSK and recompile.

This version only uses Blade #2 and the PropPlug connected to your PC and PropTerminal.

I edit and save using PropTool (dont forget to save), then go to a dos box and run z.bat from the source folder (set the path etc - ensure there are no blanks in the path/file names). Check the compile produced an output binary file with no errors (other than the warnings mentioned above). Go back to PropTool and load the binary file to the prop ram. The switch to PropTerminal. You will have about 3 seconds to do this before the software starts on the prop. If you miss this, just type "y" to load the ram and continue.

If you have any questions just ask. I am a bit tied up for a couple of days (in case I am slow to respond).

Enjoy roll

PS. Later I will publish the entire code you require to boot from an SD card without the PC.


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   Posted 4/24/2009 4:52 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
With my parts finally on order for my TriBlade, I can't help but think there are more possibilities here than just running Z80 emulation. :)

Have you written a generic object for the SRAM configuration yet?

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   Posted 4/24/2009 5:58 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Aghh! OBC What are you saying? Don't divert Cluso's attention. This is going so well.

A megabyte of RAM for code and data, 2G file store, built in display, multiple I/Os, a pile of unused 32 bit CPUs. No I can't think of any other possible use for this:)

I think this is driven by the fact that if you want to use 64K of RAM (or more) for running editors, compilers whatever on the Prop this emulation is the only possible way to do it at the moment.

Things could/will change dramatically when we get C compilers that can execute code from external memory or perhaps better for most Prop heads a Spin compiler/interpreter combo that works from external RAM !

Anyway, what about a 6809 emulation:)


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   Posted 4/24/2009 3:17 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What about the rest of us that don't care about CPM and other emulation? I second OBC need for a general RAM driver. CPM is just a sideline hobby. Boring...


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   Posted 4/24/2009 6:42 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have published a TriBlade driver for SRAM access yeah  Pass it a hub address, sram address and a length and wait for it to be done.
 
The SD card driver is the Femto drivers with a published fix yeah
 
I have said many times, emulators are NOT my only purpose of the TriBlade. It is just my focus. However, everything I have written is with general purpose use in mind, just like heaters ZiCog is deliberately NOT tied to the TriBlade.
 
We eagerly await the Prop spin/pasm or c compiler running on the prop. shakehead
 
Meanwhile we can run/compile other code under CPM, like Turbo Pascal, MBasic, Fortran, ADA, etc, etc, etc. And we can run SuperCalc (not tried yet), etc, etc, etc. jumpin


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   Posted 4/24/2009 7:52 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, I went to the lab today to solder up one of my boards, and whew! It takes a while. I worked on it for about 6 hours straight, and I'm still not done. A couple of questions:

Does the text on the resistor network go under the small square on the outline?

For the micro SD card holder, are all four pads in back used as electrical connections?

For the pairs of capacitors in and near C16, C26, C33, what values do we use? Also, those are for overclocking with a 6 MHz crystal, right?

Does the switch go in any particular orientation?

Blade two, what are the U24A and U23A for as opposed to the versions without A?

What are the various holes for, notably the LK1, LK2, LK3, ...?

I suppose that the Blade 2 SRAM pins most definitely cannot touch the PCB (the pins you mention in your mod)?

Edit: another question: I don't have 240 ohm resistors or any 1K1 ohm resistors. Is it okay to substitute with something close (perhaps 250 and 1K respectively)?

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   Posted 4/24/2009 8:50 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Answers to SRLM questions....

1. The resistor network is soldered on the underside of the pcb and the usual "dot" indicating the common connection on the part goes to the square box end.

2. None of the pads at the back of the microSD connector are used in my design. They just provide stability for the connector in this application. Normally these back pads could be used for write protect and card inserted functions.

3. C16/17, C26/27 & C33/34 are for possible use in overclocking. No values are specified although I think 0.1uF and a 1uF (tantalum - so careful of polarity "+" closest to the vga connector) might be necessary from Sapheia's information. If required, they mount on the underside of the pcb. A 6MHz crystal hopefully should not require these.
 
4. There is no orientation for the switch. If the switch is in the left position the power will be off, right it will be on.
 
5. U23A and U24A are for 2MB SRAMs which replace the U23 and U24 512KB SRAMs. They are EXPENSIVE and nothing uses them at present.
 
6. Links:
LK1 & LK2 allow Blade #1 & #2 to connect their P30/31 serial pins together. You cannot use the PropPlug to connect to these Blades when this is active. Beware that P30 connects to P30, and P31 connects to P31, so the terminal function on Blade #1 will need it's serial pins reversed in software, otherwise there will be a bus conflict which may cause damage to the prop chips. Alternately use a small cable on these headers and cross them over.
LK3, LK4 & LK5 are designed to connect Blade #2 to Blade #3 together via the serial bus mentioned in LK1 & LK2. It can route the PropPlug to Blade #3 as well, including the reset line. See the schematic. Note these shunts can be all horizontal or all vertical for different pins cool
 
7. The modification to the SRAMs U23 and U24: These pins must not touch the pcb. If you are experienced, you may alternately drill the connection but this is not wise. You may bend then cut the pin shorter on each SRAM to ensure it does not touch the pcb, but long enough to solder the wire to. Put the 2 wires under the ICs to hide most of the modification and keep the wires from getting caught. This is the professional way.
 
8. Just to reiterate... U12, U22, U32 & U25 must be soldered to the underside of the pcb as the pinout is reversed for this. They will not function if soldered to the top of the pcb !!!
 
9. U26 label should read FLASH, not EEPROM.
 
10. Q91 is inserted differently to the label. (see the errata A1)
 
11. For now, I suggest you do not fit U13 and U15 (SRAM and Latch for Blade #1) until such time as you have a requirement for it or someone produces a requirement for it. There are other possible uses for these pins if left unsoldered - such as allowing VGA AND TV concurrently with a cable, or more I/O.
 
12. I have not fitted (permanently) any of the EEPROMs as it is my intention (when time allows) to have Blades #1 and #3 code loaded by Blade #2 when in standalone (SBC = Single Board Computer) operation. The USB serial connection to the PC will go to Blade #3. All Blades will communicate between them via a common high speed serial communications on a 1 or 2 wire bus (TBD).
 
13. I have not fitted the FLASH although I understand Mike Green is doing this. cool
 
14. You will see from the schematics, the LEDs are uncommitted, so you can wire them where you like. The pad will light the LED if it is logic high. I used a blue LED as LED2. I cannot recall which of the others were red and green. I only held wires to check the props were functioning.
 
Good luck and I await to hear you are running... If you have any questions, please ask.  roll


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   Posted 4/24/2009 9:34 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi SLRM.

One alternative on SRAM Pins is to cut conections around holes.
U23 have only conections on solder side.
U24 have on both sides ... On Component side it have conection to one line on PCB.

It is that I modified it ...


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   Posted 4/24/2009 9:52 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, a few more:

1)I've been socketing all the chips, and I'm wondering about the U23/U24 business. If I get a socket to fit the extra four pins, how easily can I switch between the two versions of SRAM? My guess is that I'll have to do some resoldering...

2) So for the microSD, is it okay if I bridge the four connections on the U23 side?

3) Will the overclocking caps hurt me if I only have a 5Mhz crystal?

4)A question that I edited in above at the same time you were posting: "Edit: another question: I don't have 240 ohm resistors or any 1K1 ohm resistors. Is it okay to substitute with something close (perhaps 250 and 1K respectively)?"

Thanks for telling be about the tantalum capacitor polarity. Of the three on the board (right!?) I've only gotten to C91 and it's in backwards...
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   Posted 4/24/2009 10:17 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi SRLM.

On question 3.

Extra capasitors have little efect on 5-6MHz crystal.
It give sxtra stablity on PLL system in Propeler chip most with frequensies 14-15MHZ x PLL8


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   Posted 4/24/2009 10:29 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

1. Yes you can use a 36 pin socket and you could remove the modified pin (-OE) from the socket first. Both the 512KB and 2MB SRAMs are pin compatible, so no resoldering wil be required.

2. No problems if these pins are bridged as long as they are not shorting to the power plane underneath. Just meter the connection to verify this. (I presume you are not referring to the holes (vias) on the left side of the microSD connector near U26 - these cannot be shorted.)

3. No they will not cause any issues if installed. They just provide better decoupling and storage reservoir (in laymans terms). You can always solder these later by bending the legs slightly and soldering on the underside. Unless you want to significantly overclock, don't bother with them.

4. I am unsure. It will affect the colors not sure about the actual display.

5. C91 needs to be corrected. C11 (electrolytic) and C12 & C13 all require to be correctly (polarity) inserted.

6. Since you are asking about polarity, I presume you have fitted the diode D4 correctly - the small block is the white bar end on the diode.


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   Posted 4/25/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you have to use an alternative resistor value on the VGA or composite I would err on the higher side to prevent any clipping/"overloading". I have always used 270 Ohms and 1K2 if the right ones were left at work: again!
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   Posted 4/26/2009 11:51 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have joined in, now. I have a "Blade 2" with eeprom, SD and two 512KB rams. I have made it with the /OE mods with latch.

I originaly tried your ram test (with blue led on P24) which did not work, which i guess is due to the mods???. Next I tried the Test201, with this I get one screen full of number dumps. The numbers start wit 10,11,12 ...get up to 7f turn to 77s for some more rows and thenstart at ff count down to 80 and the 77s come back until i) complete gets a row of its own. Reading the code I think that it should test all the pages and the i) should be a number indicating that all 1024 pages have been vetted

Am I using the wrong test prog or have I got another puzzle waiting, whoopee. sad
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   Posted 4/26/2009 12:43 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I may have answered my own question. I made the seial window bigger and the could see the extra missing text saying this and that had passed.

So its a yippee, possibly. blush
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   Posted 4/26/2009 5:30 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@Clusso99

I got one of my TriBladeProps assembled now and can boot CPM from your posts jumpin

I assume the files on the disk are the cbios that is being used? I want to look at using 128 byte sectors and packing 4 per SD sector to be more efficient and want to look at CPM 3 long term to get to 512MB hardrives :-)

Have you enabled using console going to Blade 1 with VGA and keyboard ? I am interested in testing that out next.

This is exciting and fun roll

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   Posted 4/26/2009 6:41 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Toby: Great news. At various times I use sequences such as $77, $33 etc to prove if something has correctly overwritten the data. So it could just be me publishing a debug version of the code (or it could be that the page was not written at all). However, usually my result that it is correct will test everything.

Yoda: I packed 4 x 128 byte sectors into the DRIVE_1M.xxx file. It has the CPM boot info (Z80 ram) in the first 64KB followed by the 960KB CPM2.2 Ram Disk (drive A). However, I decided not to pack the other drives as 4 x 128 bytes and just use the first 128 bytes as the data for each sector. I wasn't sure of the overheads used in the card itself to perform the write to the flash, and I was not concerned (at this point anyway) about available space on my 1GB and 2GB cards. You may notice, that while the files are 32MB (for an 8MB drive), only a 1MB drive is actually used. On the agenda is the 2 or 4 HD drives which can be 8MB each. Changing the BIOS will of course increase this, but later.

I did have the console working to Blade #1, but not satisfactory to me, and not at present. I went back to getting CPM3 running. As soon as I get time (shortly) I will get the bank switching for CPM3 running. Then I can go back to the Terminal in Blade #1. I think Mike is working on this anyway.


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   Posted 4/26/2009 10:35 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the confirmatiom that things look good, so far. I modified my "Z80 nailed to a prop" board, which was basically a Demoboard without the video and sound stuff, so I have 90% of a Blade 1 ready and waiting (all the demo conns and components are on risers and a top board, arduino_esque.

Next the SD, then CPM ....

I started trying to get a Nascom 1 running, and now I recall trying to get a Nascom 2 to run CPM 2.2 (without the proper steering roms)
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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:41 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Ray,

Thanks for the info. Do you have a good communication routine between blade 1 and 2? I have a pretty decent terminal emulator that Vince Briel did for the PockeTerm. It is a neat little product. It does a very good VT100 emulation. I would just need to remove or modify the FullDuplexSerial that it uses to go out on the max233 to use the interconnect between blade 1 and 2 ? I assume there would be modifications on the blade 2 side as well? I think the packing would be a win of reads for sure and on the writes as well depending on whether you do lazy writes or not.

If I can help with any the code I will dive in. I will explore getting the terminal emulation going - so I can get off of propTerm and getting wordstar running on a nice 15 inch monitor.


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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:33 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Sorry my replies have been sporadic - I have other work to do, then a design to finish (see new thread).

My Blade #2 and #1 communicate without RS232 drivers, so I expect to get >> 115200 baud running (more like 8Mbits as Beau posted).

The VT100 emulation would be a great area to focus on Blade #1, although Mike Green is working here.
 
No-one has focused on Blade #3. In reality, it's only a normal prop with non-dedicated I/O. However, Blade #2 has reset lines to both Blade #1 & #3, so an area which has not been done is to load a simple program from Blade #2 to Blade #3, thereby saving the eeprom requirement on Blade #3.


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   Posted 4/27/2009 7:05 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I got VT100 code running pretty easily - it is using the full duplex serial driver. Some minimal issues with CR/LF that I have to work out but it was pretty easy to do. I made the mod to LK1 and LK2 so I can cross over lines. It is not 8M bit but 115200 is plenty fast for text now. So I can run the board now without being hooked to PC once code is loaded on blade 1 and 2 eeproms. I assume as I am doing that the jumpers have to be removed to load each blade to eliminate cross talk between them as the code is being downloaded?
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   Posted 4/27/2009 7:13 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Absolutely, you have to remove the jumpers LK1 & LK2 if you connect to either J11 or J21 to load code as the lines will be in bus conflict.

Yes, 115200 is plenty fast enough for now. I just have some ideas for later and want high speed comms for that.

A soon as I am on the other laptop I will post the boot code I used to load into Blade #2 eeprom. It boots a modified PropDos/PropCmd which can then be used to load ZiCog or any other binary from the microSD card.


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   Posted 4/29/2009 9:05 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
We (Heater and I) are trying to keep this thread more for the TriBlade implementation and other goodies and the ZiCog thread more for the Z80 emulator. Obviously there is a lot of crossover, but that's our objective.
 
There are a number of TriBlades now running out there now, so I will be posting some extra featres that may not have been obvious from the schematics and descriptions of the TriBladeProp.
 
Mike Green is doing Flash drivers, OBC is likely to be doing PropDos and/or VT100 ??, I think someone is doing an editor, and I have been discussing with Ross about getting his Catalina C compiler running on a TriBlade.
 
There is nothing on the TriBlade which cannot be wired on a group of demo boards and I have published the circuit diagrams.cool
 
I have another solution due in a couple of weeks for those that want a Blade #2 prebuilt. roll
see Blade #2 variants - External Ram Prop for your Proto Board  http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=347253
I will publish more details as it gets closer.
 
Anyone want to get Ethernet (ENC28J60) running on Blade #3 (which is pretty much a prop with I/O pinouts only) or it could work on Blade #1 using the SRAM pins (i.e. no SRAM on Blade #1)?
 
If by chance I have missed responding to any questions over the past week or so, please re-ask as I have been busy with other things.


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   Posted 4/29/2009 9:40 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Here is the PropDos/PropCmd I loaded into Blade #2 Eeprom to boot from the microSD card.

If you want to run ZiCog on the TriBladeProp from this, copy the attachd binary to the SD and do

SD>ZICOG072.BIN

I have placed delays in the code for switching windows to PropTerminal which runs at 115200 baud on the PC.


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   Posted 5/1/2009 9:08 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm almost done assembling the first board, but I have a few more questions:

First: do you have the physical board layout diagrams somewhere? Specifically, I'm looking for the blade 3 prototyping area, but if you have the rest of the board that would be great.
Second: I used a PN2222 transistor instead of a P2N222 transistor. Will my board explode into a million pieces, or will that work. I compared datasheets, and they appeared to be pretty much the same.
Third: I used a electrolytic capacitor of the same value for C2 and C3. Is this okay?
Fourth: What do the latch chips allow me to do?
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   Posted 5/1/2009 10:51 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

SLRM:

1. There is no actual prototyping area for Blade #3. You can however use the holes for the different connectors for this if you want. The circuit diagram is published which will show you which pins are connected. I have not published the complete board layout.

2.  I am not aware of the PN2222 transistor but presume it is a shorthand way of describing the P2N2222 transistor. The P2N2222 has a different pinout to the 2N2222 transistor of some years ago. Just ensure that it is the same pinout and an NPN transistor - it is general purpose, nothing special.

3.  Tantalum capacitors give better response than electrolytic, but should be acceptable.

4.  The latch chips are required for storing the additional addresses on Blade #1. I have suggested on the thread to not fit the SRAM and Latch to Blade #1 at this time since there is no software to actually use it. The Latch is required for Blade #2 for most things such as storing the chip select of the SRAMs, microSD, Flash and EEprom, etc.

Don't forget to do the modifications according to the errata A1 which I published here before. This is a wire between the SRAMs and Prop on Blade #2 and the orientation of the P2N2222.


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