COYOTE-1 Guitar Pedal

David Betz · 2017-07-04 21:11

Does anyone have one of these they are willing to sell? I was always interested in this but by the time I inquired about it it was no longer available. It's based on the Propeller.

dgately · 2017-07-04 21:28

Hurry!

https://ebay.com/i/311726976809?chn=ps&dispItem=1

dgately

David Betz · 2017-07-04 21:38

I saw that and will probably buy it. I think it cost around $300 when it was first sold.

David Betz · 2017-07-04 23:03

Hmmm.... Looks like I missed it. Anyone have another?

David Betz · 2017-07-04 23:43

Did someone here buy the Coyote-1 that was on eBay?

Mickster · 2017-07-05 18:50

Wow, what's the attraction apart from being Prop-based?

No-way can it compete with the DSP-based units out there. I love my pedal so much that I bought SIX more identical units. This is the Digitech GNX4.

David Betz · 2017-07-06 00:00

Mickster wrote: »

Wow, what's the attraction apart from being Prop-based?

No-way can it compete with the DSP-based units out there. I love my pedal so much that I bought SIX more identical units. This is the Digitech GNX4.

I think the software has an interesting architecture. It's also programmable. Aren't most other pedals fixed function? And yes, it is because it has a Propeller in it, Doesn't matter. I missed the auction and there don't seem to be any more out there. Oh well...

msrobots · 2017-07-06 07:10

Mickster wrote: »

Wow, what's the attraction apart from being Prop-based?

No-way can it compete with the DSP-based units out there. I love my pedal so much that I bought SIX more identical units. This is the Digitech GNX4.

But, you just have two feet (I guess) for what you need six identical pedals?

confused,

Mike

Mickster · 2017-07-06 10:18

msrobots wrote: »

Mickster wrote: »

Wow, what's the attraction apart from being Prop-based?

No-way can it compete with the DSP-based units out there. I love my pedal so much that I bought SIX more identical units. This is the Digitech GNX4.

But, you just have two feet (I guess) for what you need six identical pedals?

confused,

Mike

LOL...seven, actually.

Well, I've been around the block a few times and had big-time GAS (gear acquisition syndrome). I got my first GNX4 in 2005 because I was on the road a lot and preferred playing guitar to hanging around in hotel bars. This was perfect for hotel rooms (using headphones) because it's an amp modeler, FX unit, drum-machine, MP3 player (backing tracks), 8-track recorder, etc.
At first, it felt like a cheesy toy but I came across a 3rd-party library of very authentic-sounding amp models and "artist sounds".
I decided to spend some time getting to know this "Guitar Workstation" which was a huge learning curve.

Long story short; this is the one for me but they are no-longer produced. So many other owners found it to be too complicated and therefore, as-new units became available on eBay for $150 to $200.

I sold all my other gear and decided to buy a bunch of backups so that I don't have to worry about going through this learning curve again. There is still nothing on the market with anywhere near the features of the GNX4.

David Betz · 2017-07-06 10:55

Can you program the GNX4 in PropBASIC? :-)

Mickster · 2017-07-06 10:56

All these features, as separate units, would cost a fortune and you'd need to be a tap-dancer to work them.

Mickster · 2017-07-06 11:54

David Betz wrote: »

Can you program the GNX4 in PropBASIC? :-)

Actually, if I had the time, I would build a Prop-based wireless MIDI controller, embedded in my guitar, to control the GNX4. Although the footswitches on the unit appear to be quite robust, they actually push on micro-switches that are mounted directly on the main motherboard. This I don't like.

So, yes, I would definitely use PropBasic to produce the most efficient code (battery-life consideration) with the shortest possible development cycle ;-)

David Betz · 2017-07-06 12:05

Mickster wrote: »

David Betz wrote: »

Can you program the GNX4 in PropBASIC? :-)

Actually, if I had the time, I would build a Prop-based wireless MIDI controller, embedded in my guitar, to control the GNX4. Although the footswitches on the unit appear to be quite robust, they actually push on micro-switches that are mounted directly on the main motherboard. This I don't like.

So, yes, I would definitely use PropBasic to produce the most efficient code (battery-life consideration) with the shortest possible development cycle ;-)

Yeah but you won't be able to use PropBASIC to write code that actually processes the audio signal. That is what I found interesting about the Coyote-1. Are there other pedals that allow custom code to be loaded?

Mickster · 2017-07-06 12:23

I believe there are libraries for the TigerSHARC and some others. All kinds of stuff out there. Modeling is the thing today and we're talking high MFLOP, low GFLOP DSP stuff. WAY out of my league.

David Betz · 2017-07-06 12:25

Mickster wrote: »

I believe there are libraries for the TigerSHARC and some others. All kinds of stuff out there. Modeling is the thing today and we're talking high MFLOP, low GFLOP DSP stuff. WAY out of my league.

Out of my league too. Maybe I'd better stick with ChipTunes. Surely, we can do that on the Propeller.

Mickster · 2017-07-06 13:24

Or a Stylophone on steroids.

I remember seeing Kraftwerk in the early 80's and hearing "Pocket Calculator" live was amazing. A great example of less-is-more.

Publison · 2017-07-06 13:47

If anyone is interested, the Waybackmachine has a decent snapshot of the website from 2016. Some links do not work.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160508025316/http://howleraudio.com:80/frontpage/

David Betz · 2017-07-06 15:28

Publison wrote: »

If anyone is interested, the Waybackmachine has a decent snapshot of the website from 2016. Some links do not work.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160508025316/http://howleraudio.com:80/frontpage/

Thanks for the link but unless I can find someone selling the hardware I guess it won't do me much good. If someone here bought the one being offered on eBay a while back, how much are you willing to sell it for?

David Betz · 2017-08-17 19:14

If anyone else is looking for a Coyote-1 I found this on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coyote-1-Guitar-Pedal-Open-Source-Stereo-Effect-Stomp-Box-44-KHZ-24-Bit-Sampling/253094346504?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=41375&meid=b4bb4840e6f64819968efcae9509ff43&pid=100033&rk=4&rkt=8&sd=130887232218&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042

KeithE · 2017-08-17 19:15

Good deal - must resist.......

So this means you got one? Don't want a backup unit?

David Betz · 2017-08-17 19:17

KeithE wrote: »

Good deal - must resist.......

So this means you got one? Don't want a backup unit?

Yes, I got one and am very happy with it. I don't need a backup unit. It looks very nicely made and I really like the software architecture. Now I just need to buy a cheap guitar so I can try it out. :-)

Publison · 2017-08-17 20:06

David Betz wrote: »

If anyone else is looking for a Coyote-1 I found this on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coyote-1-Guitar-Pedal-Open-Source-Stereo-Effect-Stomp-Box-44-KHZ-24-Bit-Sampling/253094346504?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=41375&meid=b4bb4840e6f64819968efcae9509ff43&pid=100033&rk=4&rkt=8&sd=130887232218&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042

Darn You David! You made me pick this one up. A quarter of I paid new. Since I sold my unit to you I already miss it. Needless to say, the ebay auction is closed.

David Betz · 2017-08-17 20:50

Publison wrote: »

David Betz wrote: »

If anyone else is looking for a Coyote-1 I found this on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coyote-1-Guitar-Pedal-Open-Source-Stereo-Effect-Stomp-Box-44-KHZ-24-Bit-Sampling/253094346504?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=41375&meid=b4bb4840e6f64819968efcae9509ff43&pid=100033&rk=4&rkt=8&sd=130887232218&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042

Darn You David! You made me pick this one up. A quarter of I paid new. Since I sold my unit to you I already miss it. Needless to say, the ebay auction is closed.

Sorry! It does seem to be a nice device. I hope I find the time to play with it soon.

KeithE · 2017-08-17 21:50

Hopefully you two can motivate each other. It's always nice to be able to collaborate.

Some other stuff to add to your watch list - although it's not Propeller ;-)

http://line6.com/tcddk/
https://hoxtonowl.com/

I wonder how many such projects there are? I know building analog pedals is a somewhat popular hobby. Look at the price of this class in Los Gatos:

http://www.keithhollandguitars.com/effect-pedal-building-class.html

David Betz · 2017-08-17 22:01

KeithE wrote: »

Hopefully you two can motivate each other. It's always nice to be able to collaborate.

Some other stuff to add to your watch list - although it's not Propeller ;-)

http://line6.com/tcddk/
https://hoxtonowl.com/

I wonder how many such projects there are? I know building analog pedals is a somewhat popular hobby. Look at the price of this class in Los Gatos:

http://www.keithhollandguitars.com/effect-pedal-building-class.html

I was actually looking for that as well. Here is one on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Line-6-ToneCore-DSP-Kit-Customize-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-DIY-/122634972961?hash=item1c8d9d2f21:g:cO8AAOSwh3NZiDZW

I think I'll stick with the Coyote-1 for now though. It will be a lot more fun programming the Propeller than the ARM chip that is in the ToneCore. Besides, I seem to recall looking into this when it first came out and that there was some serious limitation to this. Still, at $69 it might be worth a try.

jazzed · 2017-08-17 22:19

This is one of my favorite recent toys.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TR389YK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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KeithE · 2017-08-17 22:24

BTW - Julius O. Smith's books are supposed to be good. I guess they're free online, and you can buy printed copies.

Julius O. Smith is a research engineer and musician devoted to developing new technologies for music. He received the B.S.E.E. degree from Rice University, Houston, TX, in 1975 (Control, Circuits, and Communication). He received the M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in E.E. from Stanford University, Stanford, CA, in 1978 and 1983, respectively. His Ph.D. research was devoted to improved methods for digital filter design and system identification applied to music and audio systems. From 1975 to 1977 he worked in the Signal Processing Department at ESL, Sunnyvale, CA, on systems for digital communications. From 1982 to 1986 he was with the Adaptive Systems Department at Systems Control Technology, Palo Alto, CA, where he worked in the areas of adaptive filtering and spectral estimation. From 1986 to 1991 he was employed at NeXT Computer, Inc., responsible for sound, music, and signal processing software for the NeXT computer workstation. After NeXT, he became an Associate Professor at the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA) at Stanford, teaching courses and pursuing research related to signal processing techniques applied to music and audio systems. Continuing this work, he is presently a Professor of Music and Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering (by courtesy) at Stanford University. For more information, see http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/.

Designing Sound (MIT Press) by Andy Farnell sounds interesting too.

David Betz · 2017-08-17 22:24

jazzed wrote: »

This is one of my favorite recent toys.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TR389YK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Nice but a bit beyond my price range. I see there is a slightly cheaper $400 model though.

KeithE · 2017-08-17 22:52

There are so many used electric guitars out there. I would think that you could find one to buy or perhaps even borrow. You could try craigslist or perhaps nextdoor to see if any neighbors have one in a closet that they just want to get rid of. Then there are all of the music stores that deal in used gear. If you know anyone who plays they could help you sanity check the guitar.

jazzed · 2017-08-17 22:58

I like the traveler guitars because they are rugged. The tuning keys take a little time to understand, but not having that head makes handling worry free.

The one I mention has a built-in tuner and 4 effects settings for headphones or an amplifier out. Those are the features I would have put into an on-board/built-in effects pedal if I had time/patience to do it.

David Betz · 2017-08-18 01:46

KeithE wrote: »

There are so many used electric guitars out there. I would think that you could find one to buy or perhaps even borrow. You could try craigslist or perhaps nextdoor to see if any neighbors have one in a closet that they just want to get rid of. Then there are all of the music stores that deal in used gear. If you know anyone who plays they could help you sanity check the guitar.

I've been watching Craigslist for a cheap guitar. I do like the one Steve mentioned though.

COYOTE-1 Guitar Pedal

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