PIC Power Issue

The weather is ok, but as a newbie in this BBS I feel some nervous for my posting, I'm scared of there will be some mistakes in my post, even though I have passed the forum rules.
I'm designing a PIC based timer circuit.Attached diagram is the circuit. 10K resister is the Preset value for analog input of the PIC micro.For the outputs I have only a MOC3042 (10mA) driven triac.

The problem is due to voltage drop of the bridge rectifier, the output voltage is limited to 4.5V. Which is affecting to internal analog reference as well.

How to solve this.I'm using PIC12F675.43118.png
I added the load & checked the graph.It has a worst ripple.

I don't need much A/D resolution, need the analog in to be scale to 10 values.Except analog IN will this ripple affect to PIC functioning properly..
Thanks all guys.https://i.stack.imgur.com/6fRhy.png

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  • biguo wrote: »
    ...Attached diagram is the circuit. ...

    The problem is due to voltage drop of the bridge rectifier, the output voltage is limited to 4.5V. Which is affecting to internal analog reference as well.
    It's not clear if this is powering the PIC, or just giving some 'mains-present' indication.
    My guess is it providing the power.

    Yes, the output is limited to ~ 4.5V - what did you expect ?
    Those D3,D4 are 5.1V zeners, if you want closer to 5V out, you need to select 5.6V Zeners.

    In your Spice tests, you should vary the start phase of the virtual mains, as the ON switch can close at any part of the mains cycle.
    Be sure to have a surge rated R2 as well.


  • jmg wrote: »
    biguo wrote: »
    ...Attached diagram is the circuit. ...

    The problem is due to voltage drop of the bridge rectifier, the output voltage is limited to 4.5V. Which is affecting to internal analog reference as well.
    It's not clear if this is powering the PIC, or just giving some 'mains-present' indication.
    My guess is it providing the power.

    Yes, the output is limited to ~ 4.5V - what did you expect ?
    Those D3,D4 are 5.1V zeners, if you want closer to 5V out, you need to select 5.6V Zeners.

    In your Spice tests, you should vary the start phase of the virtual mains, as the ON switch can close at any part of the mains cycle.
    Be sure to have a surge rated R2 as well.


    Wow, thanks for your help.
  • Is this intended to supply power to the micro without isolation from the mains? I don't have a problem with non-isolation if the application is designed correctly. You may consider a "reverse chopping" approach around the zero cross ...i.e. if the mains voltage is BELOW a certain threshold voltage then a transistor is allowed to conduct the mains voltage into a temporary charge holding circuit. I have done this in a few applications where my threshold voltage was set around 12V ... an additional standard 5V regulator maintains a steady voltage with a decent amount of loading current.



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  • Biguo,
    Your diagrams at https://i.stack.imgur.com/6fRhy.png show more detail of the load, is that the way it is? What is the complete circuit for the "A/D timing preset-- You really didn't say this is a lamp dimmer, or what?

    The PIC12F675 uses the power supply as its internal reference. If the A/D is ratiometric to the power supply, that should work out with good accuracy so long as the supply is stable. To reduce ripple you could increase the 220µ filter capacitor value, or use a capacitance multiplier circuit, or use suitable voltage regulator to output say steady 3.3 volts.
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