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latigerlilly
11-13-2006, 05:27 AM
Hi,

A machine can cure cancer. The following is an article on Discover magazine detailing the machine:
sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=66464 (http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=66464)
The password to download this article is 1298.

I've built the machine and used it. With the Budwig Diet, the machine works! However, it has a labor-intensive manual switch. I want to replace this switch with an auto switch by using a Stamp II microcontroller. The following is a detailed schematic of the original machine:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/MINGMAY/rifetensWiringDiagram.jpg

How would I go about connecting a Stamp II or Boe-Bot to the machine to throw the switch automatically? Should I use a Silicon Controlled Switch? If so, how? Please post a picture of your schematic. Thanks.

By the way, please also answer my question regarding the pain control machine:
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=615389

Thank you and God bless,
Lilly.

Franklin
11-13-2006, 05:44 AM
I don't think you need anything as complex as a BS to do what you want. A couple of transistors or MOSFETs to handle current and a 555 timer with a flipflop would suffice. You could do it with a BS if you were so inclined though.

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Tommy Bot
11-13-2006, 06:11 AM
If the machine already cures cancer, you can glue your favorite BS2 to the front of it to make it look good.http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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latigerlilly
11-13-2006, 06:26 AM
Hi,

I am not an electrical engineer. I have no idea what a MOSFET is. All I know about electrical engineering is what I found on the internet and from my Boe-Bot book that came with my Boe-Bot written by Andy Linday. I know what a transistor and a 555 timer is, but I still don't know how to connect them together. However, if you'll give me a detailed schematic and a detailed parts list, I can figure it out and construct the device. Please advise. Thanks.

I used it on a friend of mine that was hospitalized for an antibiotic resistant infection of the vertebra. The doctors gave up. The higher doses of antibiotics were causing organ failure due to toxicity and lower doses were ineffective. So, they placed a DNR order on him (do not resuscitate). This is a death warrant. I snuck the machine in the hospital and treated him. I told the nurses that it was a "biofeedback" machine for physical therapy, so they let me treat him. After 7 days, the bacterial infection was gone and he was out of the hospital.

If you'll help me design the machine and post the schematic, I'll let you know how to use it; what amp setting to have it on, where to place the electrodes, and how much time to program in for each setting (+on-, off, -on+). All of these parameters have to be just right in order for it to work. Right now, I'm just using the machine with manual switching and a stopwatch.

I have been using it for a year now and I have not gotten the flu even though I work in a hospital and EVERYBODY in my department came down with the flu!

Thank you for your help,
Lilly.
P.S. DNR's ARE initiated by the hospital. They have to clear those beds to make way for other patients. The doctors ask the family to sign the form. If the patient is older, they'll ask the patient to sign it upon admission if the patient is conscious and able. Patients and family never ask to sign a DNR form.

You can post pictures of schematics by going to: photobucket.com/ (http://photobucket.com/) . Then, just cut and paste the pic into your post. You can post articles by going to www.sharedzilla.com/ (http://www.sharedzilla.com/) . Just be sure to also post the password for the download, too. Thank you and God bless!

Post Edited (latigerlilly) : 11/13/2006 12:59:56 AM GMT

allanlane5
11-13-2006, 06:42 AM
Wow, what an amazing article. It's a bit thin on exact details, though. I mean, exactly what current to use, exactly what voltage, how much of the needles are insulated, etc. If used badly, this could be a very dangerous machine, as in life threatening.

If nothing else, it sounds like this approach 'alerts' the body's defenses to the presence of an undesireable element. It also damages that element, and perhaps opens a path for the body's defenses to attack it.

That article was from April, 1986. I would hope that some additional reputable researchers have tried to duplicate his results since then. Note also there's LOTS of 'quack' cancer remedies -- from magnetism to holistic foods to removing all mercury-based fillings to acupuncture. I'm not qualified to judge which are effective or not, but I'd hate to enable a 'quack' solution. Not to say you're pursuing a 'quack' solution, but I would like to see some scientific study pursued.

To summarize -- be very, very careful with what you're doing.

Franklin
11-13-2006, 07:40 AM
One quick clarification, the only people that can initiate a DNR is the patient or his/her proxy not the hospital. What kind of timing are we talking about? (seconds, minutes, hours) A MOSFET can be thought of as just a transistor on streoids. Depending on the voltage/amperage you would select a transistor or a MOSFET.

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TechnoRobbo
11-13-2006, 07:50 AM
I built a machine that cures death. I based it on an article by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelly.

Here's a link to it http://www.literature.org/authors/shelley-mary/frankenstein/

I can't figure why I would want to connect a BS2 to it. Can someone come up with a reason for me?

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Bill Chennault
11-13-2006, 08:23 AM
TechnoRobbo (http://forums.parallax.com/member.php?u=46920)--

I can't figure why I would want to connect a BS2 to it. Can someone come up with a reason for me?


Sure I can! Didn't you ever notice how Dr. Frankenstein's creation limped to the left? Well, a BS2 could fix that!
During the·autopsy, a neuroscan using a rather primitive CAT scan-like device clearly indicated necrosis in only a SINGLE portion of the creature's lower cerebellum! Obviously, except for this instance, Herr Dr. Frankenstein had also solved the auto-immune system's immediate rejection of foreign tissue.
However, like the 100 mpg carburetor, General Motors has kept this discovery--and the attendant documentation--secret from the world.
Actually, in light of the above, the BS2 really plays a very minor role: Who cares if the monster staggers to the left OR right?
But, I bet you knew that.
--Bill

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Tommy Bot
11-13-2006, 10:27 AM
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Bullwinkle
11-13-2006, 11:54 AM
Looks like another candidate for the JREF Million Dollar prize.

Don't forget my 10% now. http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/hop.gif

jhoyoza
11-13-2006, 12:19 PM
I hate to sound pretentious, but if one actually had a machine that cured cancer, then one could certainly afford top shelf electronic engineers, programmers, and specialist of every sort. And with mere pocket change donate a complete wing dedicated to research at Harvard Medical School, perhaps even be consider for an honorary doctorate degree, and/or even nominated for a Nobel prize?

However, I think I have the idea of the concept? If your body thinks it is sick it sends defense signals to alert the immune system and thus-ly kicks it into overdrive? Isn’t that the general idea behind interferon drug treatments?

I'm also designing a system:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r211/jhoyoza/toe.jpg
Honestly, I’m just joking with you and best wishes on your research!

-J

Post Edited (jhoyoza) : 11/13/2006 8:39:03 AM GMT

latigerlilly
11-13-2006, 01:20 PM
Hi,

You guys joked at my expense regarding the cancer curing machine. I have a spinal injury from a car wreck and without the pain control machine, I would not be able to walk nor move. I can now walk a little and move around a bit. I still cannot run. I also have an inoperable tumor. It has been a year and the tumor is still there, but it has not gotten any bigger. I feel fine. It is not nice to make fun of sick people who are fighting for their lives. If you have any human decency, I beg you to please help me and answer my post.

Before you tell me about chemotherapy/radiation, I would rather die than to go through those options. Radiation and Chemotherapy will render me sterile. I am only 17 years old. I do not want to go through life without ever having lived motherhood.

I am reaching out on the internet for help because it allows me to be anonymous. I read on the news that a girl who had cancer was forced to have chemotherapy/radiation against her wishes and her parents were jailed for child neglect because the girl refused to have such therapies. It is my body and I should be allowed to choose what treatments I receive, but the law views me as a child who is unfit to choose. If my parents refuse the doctor's orders, then they will go to jail. We've moved and I haven't seen any doctors until my recent car accident. I had an MRI for my recent car accident. It shows that the tumor had not grown any bigger in a year. The doctors told me 1 year ago that I had 6 months to live. I feel fine. The other girl I read on the news who was forced to have the toxic chemo and radiation is now dead, probably due to the toxic chemo/radiation.

Thanks to another poster, bcw1011, I now know to substitute the DPDT switch with a DPDT relay. However, I've pored over my Allied Electronics catalog and cannot find a suitable DPDT relay. Please give me the exact part number and supplier. Also, please post a schematic that shows me how to connect it to the Boe-Bot.

Thank you and God Bless,
Lilly.

Gadgetman
11-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Which cancer type do you have?

Here in Norway the recovery-rate of children with cancer is an average of over 80%, using chemo and radiation. And no, Sterility is usually not a side-effect of the treatment.
(as some forms of Leukemia have a lower rate, particularly if it'sd spotted late, the average for other types is probably in the 90s somewhere.)

Back to your 'machine'...
You pulse it by moving the switch quickly from one side to the other?

Get a small 3V electric motor, fit a short arm to the axle and a long rod to it, then hook it up to a battery. If you want to vary the speed, use a low-Ohm potentiometer in series with the battery.
No need to tie up a BS2 or BOE which could be used for so many other fun projects. http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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jhoyoza
11-13-2006, 04:59 PM
Dear Lilly,

No one is trying to offend you personally or make jokes aimed at people who are fighting for their lives, nor whom are disabled or suffering injury in anyway. I will say with a bit of empathy, I’m not comfortable with being told you are being taken advantage of, or the butt end of a joke.

If some one makes a blanket statement that a ‘MACHINE CURES CANCER’ it will certainly provokes a knee-jerk reaction for many people to yell ,“Fraud!“ As the medical community generally does not recognize such devices, and they themselves may also be first to suggest the same. The humor is aimed at the potential fraud that exist and at those who might take advantage of such individuals, or the solicitation or promotion of such devices. Admittedly. I have no idea if these claims are true or not, but I have my doubts. I’m sorry if you are offended by that, and that was not my intent nor anyone else’s in my opinion.

Many fall prey to bogus devices and perhaps many feel it is our duty to warn of such activity. Many are misguided by false claims by those who skirt the law and many are robbed of their life savings and families given false hope. The fact that immune stimulation does exist is promising, and great advancements have been made in certain areas of cancer research over the last decades. However to claim sending a few amps into the wrist area is a universal cure for cancer or any other disease may actually spark anger in those who have family or themselves suffer from irreversible disease.

If a cure actually existed I have complete faith, in the fact, my MD would more than delighted to use it, and I really doubt any dark conspiracy exist to prevent that from ever happening. Truly, if a cure exist my doctor would know about it!

No one would be happy than I to see a cure for any disease and certainly welcome your interest and development of such activities. I suggested a great proto-perfboard and wonderful relay-board for you, in you other post about ‘CURE FOR CRONIC PAIN’ and encouraged your research. (And I don’t sell either item.) Poking fun at potential fraud is harmless, and certainly none was intended toward you.

Good luck to you, and I wish everyone good health and especially those who struggle with chronic illness!

Peace

-J http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/eyes.gif

Post Edited (jhoyoza) : 11/13/2006 10:56:02 AM GMT

TechnoRobbo
11-13-2006, 07:10 PM
You posted in the "Cronic Pain" thread that your a highschool Grad and then on this thread you post here that your a minor and only 17? The whole DNR thing and sneaking your machine into a hospital and curing your friend (temporarily) throws a shadow on your statements.

I'm with the JREF guy but he called first dibs on the finders fee.

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AIman
11-14-2006, 01:55 AM
I was·a primary care giver to my dad while he·was dying·of a very aggressive soft tissue sarcoma. I know what it means to watch pain and cancer eat away at someone. I know what it means to spend hours in a hospital every day for a couple of years.



The cancer my dad died of was very rare, when he had it the estimate was that the cancer was so rare it wouldn't exist in 20 years.

Amen.



Obviously that was awhile ago.

The cure for cancer can be altered or not altered by using two distinct routes. First is the blood. Everything - including cancer - gets its life from the blood. Oxgyen, chemicals, nutrients;·everything in us survives because of blood. Cancer - oversimplfying - are cells that go beserk. Cancer cells multiply faster then our bodies defenses can keep up with them, hence tumors.

Trust me when I tell you we looked at everything from modren medcine (including experimental chemotherapy) to accupuncture - even sharks cartilage; which by the way, slowed a very aggresive cancers growth rate.

The second and most effective thing to control and/or stop cancer is laughter. No thats not a joke. One of the women we meet·went into full remission by changing her diet and reading/watching everything she could get her hands on that was funny.

What type of cancer are you talking about? Breast cancer? Bone cancer? Liver cancer?

If you would rather die then try chemo or radiation that could very well happen. Neither are good and both are painful. If your worth as a person is if you can have childeren then I pity you.

If you use an electrical voltage device to cure cancer then you have to take the approach of chemotherapy. Chemo works because it kills off everything, but the good cells grow back faster then the cancer. To use electricity to do that is at best dangerous and at worst lethal. How will you focus the charge to cell specific areas? If you can't then killing off good cells is a given.

Have you ever heard of electro-shock therapy? Essentailly what you wanting to do is the same thing.

To electrically stimulate any form of cancer is not only to take the chance that the cancer will die, but also that it will grow. Our brain regulates what gets what and it is based off·biochemical interaction. Our nerves, muscles, organs - pretty much everything - is electrically controlled to move or not move.

My Aunt had a brain tumor shaped like a bannana running between the two halves of her brain. They couldn't do anything but operate because killing the tumor with chemo or using radiation would have caused severe brain damage. Using electricity on something like that would be seriously questioned because of things to do with the brain and nervous system.

In short, pending the type of cancer you are talking about depends alot on what to expect and not expect. For example - blood doesn't sit still. How would electricty work to cure lukemia? What about bone cancer? How would the charge reach the bone? Liver cancer you could conceivable hit with electricty to a point, but how are you going to target the charge and how are you going to go deep into the liver without·cooking it?

So to your point about controlling the device with using a BS2. My first reaction is you had better upgrade to something like·a Propeller. You will want to use the various cogs in the Propeller to oversee electrods of what ever type is used. What you are wanting to do will require accuracy and measurements finner then an EEG's sensativity. (If you don't know an EEG is what is used to measure brain waves.)

Are you going to introduce the pulse via muscle twitches? Thats done with sports injuries and can relax the muscle fairly well, but it can be uncomfortable - at least it was with me.

Lastly, consider the portable defibulators, they·give a serious kick. Are you going to use batteries to power this device or plug it into the wall? Whichever you use consider the current type and the frequencies of the human body.

Again, I think for what you are trying to do the Basic Stamp is far to slow and you need to get a lot more computing power. If you haven't learned about Basic Stamps or Propellers I would suggest a starting kit. The Whats A Microcontroller book goes into using resistors with the Basic Stamp and how fast voltage changes can occur. So if you are using a needle like in accupunture, the current will act differently then if the needle is thicker like an IV.

If you get this device to work let me know ASAP. There are some people I want to tell about it.

By the way, several of my friends have back and spinal injures. I would like to know what you use for pain, if it can get you up and walking the perhaps it will help them.·Be glad you can move.

allanlane5
11-14-2006, 02:16 AM
My mother died of cancer, so I am sympathetic. I'm also very skeptical, because I saw some of the off-the-wall remedies that were available.

The research called out dealt strictly with lung cancer and breast cancer -- if that addresses your issues, AIMan. The current 'insertion' was described as local, done by inserting one needle/electrode into the cancerous tissue while watching using an X-ray device, then a second electrode was inserted close by. The 'cancer needle' was then charged positively with respect to the negative electrode, with 10 volts DC. The current resulting was not described, nor was any resistance in the circuit -- which there MUST be some, and this is a key factor that should be known. The apparatus was left that way 3 hours, then removed. The treatment was apparently not repeated, and one treatment was sufficient to reduce the size of the cancer over time.

As long as current doesn't pass through the heart, it won't stop the heart. I believe it takes 500 mA through the heart to stop it. Dry human skin has a resistance on the order of mega-ohms, so it takes quite a high voltage to create that 500 mA. Soaking wet human skin has a resistance on the order of 200 ohms, so that's how people get killed on house "mains" voltage of 115 or 220 Volts AC. The current between two well-placed needle electrodes should NOT go through the heart, and should be regulated to be much less than 500 mA.

I'm concerned by this thread for several reasons. The first is that a BS2 is being proposed for use. While a BS2 is a VERY reliable device, and could be a 'clever hack', it would not be my first choice for a life-critical system. And BS2's tend to be used by people using a processor for the first time -- such people should not be building life-critical systems.

The second is that the diagram seems to indicate two electrodes placed on the wrist. The SAME wrist, so you don't get the left-arm to right-arm path through the heart, which is a good thing. But nowhere is it indicated where the tumor is. Also, the diagram indicates that you can reverse the polarity of the voltage. The article does not mention this at all, and I'm not sure what purpose would be served by doing so.

The third is I would really like to see some research beyond a Discover article from April 1996 used as justification for the device.

None of these concerns has to be a show-stopper. It's entirely possible that the device described would work in the fashion desired. And if the pain-management equipment is working for you, that's good news, too. I would STRONGLY recommend that you get additional hands-on help.

I'd hate to read in tomorrow's paper (or next week's) that you were no longer with us because we helped you do this.

AIman
11-14-2006, 03:39 AM
Allanlane5 (http://forums.parallax.com/member.php?u=41268),

The next few paragraphs are specificly for your understanding.

I have a lot of trust in a simple BS2 but will tell you, that trust ends when it comes to something that could involve a life. Being paranoied about such things is good. (No offense to Parallax).

The problem I have with the diagram is what you observed - connection to a wrist. If any·test uses Xrays - espically for extended times, that is little different then radiation treatment.

To your comment about life saving devices - ablsoultely beyond a shadow of a doubt should more then one stamp be used in anything needing to be fail proof and/or caring for a life. Personally I prefer 3.

I have been working on a couple of medical things over the last few years and·one of the things researched is/was artifical nerves for those with nerve damage or severed nerves. When the kinks get worked out fake nerves will·require routing power from somewhere in the body or using a battery of some kind from which to get power·for nerve impulses.·A minor charge to the finger is nothing, a minor charge to the eye will make spots appear. With how·the body interacts with electricity, the thought of dilibertly introducing electrical impluse into the wrist·for a cure to lung or breast cancer·scares the jeepers out of me. The amps required would stop the heart and probably damage the brain.

R&D stuff gets into really bizzare realms at times. One person can do something and it won't work, the next person does almost the identical thing and it works. That is exactly why R&D requires testing. Lots of testing.

Bionics being researched use a BS2 as a regulator, however limbs functioning is not a matter of life and death. A Propeller is being explored for use to monitor and control a small robot for intestine exploration and for large vein or intestinal repair. The SX and Propeller are being explored for use with small black and white cameras used for internal exploration. The BS2 is being explored for working with people learning to walk (several together as back ups).

For hypothermia several BS2's were suggested to monitor tempuratures and that is still in testing, however a revision suggests using a Propeller instead.

Thought you would want to know.






I found several problems with what I have seen so far.

1) Electrical treatment going into a wrist the way shown will do very little other then make the arm twitch.

2) The results were monitored by X-ray. Going off what I picked up the X-ray was left on to watch what would happen DURING the procedure. Thats a dose of Xray radiation that lasted 3 hours. Even if it was only during the insertion and charging of the needles that still a LONG time. When a broken arm is Xrayed you get a lead apron for just a small burst of less then 1/2 a second.

3) Cancer may have to be eraticated·by locating individual cells which can not be seen from an xray machine.·Doing this with electricity·is never addressed leaving greater openings for re-occurences.

4) There·no results compared against a control group. There is nothing saying that the growth didn't/won't come back in·2, 3 or 4 years.

5) As you point out, one of the·key factors is resistance, but a bigger point is if·the cancer·really goes away. My dad had complete remission the first time around and was·clean until his 9 month check. The cancer didn't really go away, so what are the long term results of this device?

6) It also concerns me that there is no medical consultation going into what is happening. I don't mean people say this will or won't work. I mean those with training being asked questions about locations of electrodes, characteristics of the cancer cells, Characteristics of the surrounding tissue. What sorts of voltage levels cause damage etc.

7) Finally, What about freak overloads?

Anyway, my point to everything I have written is simply this - there is a lack of testing and a lack of end results. The diagrams don't line up with results, putting needles into yourself is not advisable, pumping amps into your body is never something to take lightly.


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Gadgetman
11-14-2006, 05:25 AM
I don't think the machine is dangerous...
(it's 4 9V batteries, two electrodes wrapped in cloth placed against your arm, and a switch to alternate the current.)
I think it's more like acupuncthure, but with electric pulses insted of needles.

Maybe it can have an effect, maybe not.
(There are still a lot we don't know about our bodies, and particularly when it comes to electricity and magnetism)

At least, unlike a lot of frauds(don't know enough about it to judge it, yet), this one shouldn't be very expensive.
Not much pisses me off more than quacks who take exorbitant fees to rub some concoction on the patient and telling them that it'll cure anything and at the same time teach them to tango.
And when they also talk the patient into quitting their traditional treatments... I consider it Murder.

As for the heart, it can be stopped with less than 20mA...
(Most muscles goes into uncontrollable spasms with that much current. And guess what, the heart is a muscle, too. )
I think the Mythbusters mentioned the correct amount when they did the 'appliance in the bathtub' myth...

And yes, when your skin is dry, you can survive a hit of 230V AC...
(I once touched two contact points with two fingers on my right hand... Weird sensation... Nothing I'd want to do again... )
It will mess you up for a while, though...
(you can end up with an arythmic heartbeat, and that is really dangerous. )

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allanlane5
11-14-2006, 06:01 AM
Fair enough, gadgetman. I'd like to know the REAL value, but point made. Lily should be very, very careful.

Tommy Bot
11-14-2006, 07:52 AM
10mA across the heart is enough to kill.
This is the rating you will see when taking an "Electrical Safety - Authorized Personnel" exam approved by OSHA for the civilian sector, It's what companies who certify CPR is lethal dose, and it's what the U.S. Navy teaches. It's not much.

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TechnoRobbo
11-14-2006, 08:57 AM
This still sounds like we're talking about a Rife Machine.·This is not science.

http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-1341.html
http://skepdic.com/radionics.html

My wife's mother died of cancer and my father was hospitalized for 3 months due to cancer and I feel this topic is way too serious to kick around in a microcontroller forum.·There are serious consequences involved with these machines.

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Cancer/Cancer-news/smh001230rife-aus.html (http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Cancer/Cancer-news/smh001230rife-aus.html)

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latigerlilly
11-14-2006, 04:31 PM
Hi guys,

Please, please, please just tell me what DPDT relay to use in my circuit. I just need a part number so that I could order it.

Thank you and God bless,
Lilly.

P.S.
I think you guys misunderstand. I am not contemplating building this device. I have already built it and have been using it for a year, now. It is fine. The device uses 0.2 to 0.3 mA. It cannot produce more than 0.5 mA. I just feel a tickle. That's it. It is very safe. The cancer is at the base of the brain/top of the spinal cord. I cannot get to some parts of the tumor because I do not feel comfortable zapping my head. I just want to build an auto switch for it with my boe-bot.

As for how effective it is, I have not dismissed any treatment nor "cure" that is labelled quackery before I've actually tried it, provided that the person recommending the treatment has nothing to gain financially from the recommendation. "Money is the root of all evil", so the good book says. If no money is exchanged, then they are just helping me out of the goodness of their hearts. I have already decided that I will not undergo chemo/radiation, so I am not losing valuable time trying out "quack" "cures". A true scientist will investigate something to determine if it is truth rather than dismiss something outright without review. Keep in mind that I am not describing a placebo controlled study. This is just somebody trying things on herself. It could be the placebo effect that I'm improving, but I'll take anything that I can get.

I've built several devices;
A nice guy called Jimmy Hollman gave me the schematic and coached me on the construction of a rife plasma bulb device: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/MINGMAY/PMR-PlasmaTubeDriverCircuitPictoria.jpg
Unfortunately, it doesn't work too good. I was feeling dizzy and nauseous as the cancer progressed. I stopped using it. I am not going to call it quackery. It just didn't work for my condition. Jimmy did not accept any money from me and never tried to sell me anything at all.

Next, I built a doug coil device:
members.aol.com/theskyking/myhomepage/personal.html (http://members.aol.com/theskyking/myhomepage/personal.html)
The "skyking" guy exchanged many emails with me and helped me build the device. Never did he once try to sell me anything. I built it and used it. It did not do me any good at all. He said that it was good for lyme disease, but wasn't sure if it was good for anything else, though.

Then, I built a "godzilla zapper":
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/MINGMAY/Image014.jpg
This is the device whose schematic is listed above at the start of this thread.
This device DID work for me. Ironically, it is the cheapest of the three devices. The intermittent mental "haze" is gone. The nausea and dizziness is gone, too. I used Gray's Anatomy book to figure out where to place the electrodes so that current will pass through the area in question without having to poke needles into me. I found the schematics on Chris Gupta's website. I did not communicate much with Chris Gupta (just an email or 2), but he did help me and his schematics are extremely easy to understand. The zapper along with the Budwig diet has helped me immensely (look up Budwig diet on Google for more info).

Chris Gupta's website also had the schematics for the magnetic pulser mentioned in my other thread here on the Parallax forum. It is very good for pain. Vicodin makes me sleep and sleep and sleep. Hey, you can't feel pain if you're asleep. The magnetic pulser is not as effective as Vicodin, but it doesn't make me sleep and I can function fine for at least a couple of hours after each treatment. My pain is decreased enough so that I could walk and do things, but I still cannot go to school the full day. I've missed too many classes, so I cannot graduate, so I unenrolled from school and took the GED. It's a small town, so they still let me attend classes sporadically even though I'm officially unenrolled. Thanks to Chris Gupta's schematics (even though he wasn't as hepful as skyking nor Jimmy), I am now able to have a semi-normal life. I even volunteer at the local hospital (I was working for pay as a tech until recently since I've missed so many days due to illness). What really sux is that before this whole ordeal, I used to be top of my class and played basketball. Now, I'm just a nerd making stuff at home.

I've literally tried everything and I think the Budwig diet and the machine I built is doing the trick. It hasn't spread and it hasn't gotten any worse. So, I'm going to say that I'm slowly getting better.

But, hey, you don't have to take my word for it. I invite you to build the above devices for yourself and try them out.

I've literally tried everything. My parents even took me on the Tijuana cancer clinic tour:
www.cancercontrolsociety.com/forms/20060811trip.pdf (http://www.cancercontrolsociety.com/forms/20060811trip.pdf)
Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth....
1. Intravenous H2O2 in Mexico? Seems scary. Still, I'd be willing to try it if they let me bring the stuff back home for my friend (a nurse) to inject me with. They would not allow this.

2. Laetrile - injecting a non-fda approved substance that is chemically similar to cyanide? www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/Patient/page2 (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/Patient/page2)
I've reviewed the evidence and it seems sketchy. Still, I would've been willing to try it if they'd allow me to buy and bring back home a batch of the stuff. That way, I could get a friend of mine who is a nurse to inject it for me. They wouldn't allow this, however.

3. Hyperthermia - I sat in their sauna. I got all sweaty, but I really didn't feel better afterwards. I sat in the sauna of my local gym every day for a week after I got back, but I didn't notice any improvements to my symptoms.

4. Hoxsey - It may work, but they wouldn't let me just buy their treatments and take it back home. I had to stay in Tijuana. My parents have jobs. This was not possible. Why couldn't we just buy a couple of bottles and go home?!

Seems to me that all the Tijuana clinics want you to quit your job and go to Mexico to get treatment in their clinics. This is not practical. They may very well have the "cure" for cancer, but if nobody can take it home with them, then what's the point?!

Here is the girl I spoke about whose parents got arrested because she refused radiation. I remembered wrong. Turns out she did not die:
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44683 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44683)

Here is her blog:
prayforkatie.blogspot.com/ (http://prayforkatie.blogspot.com/)

Even IF they are in the wrong (the parents), Katie is old enough to choose and her choice was definitely NOT chemo nor radiation as evidenced by her blog entry on Wed, Aug 24, 2005. It is her body and she should be allowed to choose her own fate.

As a final note, I am NOT recommending any treatments, cures, nor diagnoses. This is just my 2 cents for what it's worth. You can experiment on yourself, but EXPERIMENT is the key word here. Do not follow "quack cures" if there is a conventional FDA appreoved treatment with the outcome that you desire. To those of you who have helped me, thanks again http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Post Edited (latigerlilly) : 11/14/2006 9:39:24 AM GMT

Gadgetman
11-14-2006, 05:56 PM
H2O2?

What the H! does Hydrogen Peroxide to do with cancer treatment?
Brainwashing, maybe, as it's a powerful bleach, but... http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

The reason they don't want you to bring 'medicines' back with you is that they then loose control over it.
Who knows, a chemist may accidentally analyze it and point you to a safer and cheaper alternative...
(Or just explain to you why it's such a bad idea to use it)

As for keeping patients in Tijuana...
What kind of malpractice laws exists there?
What kind of legal standing does the patient's relatives have when he/she kicks the bucket?

As far as I know, there are only three methods that have been proven to cure cancer; Surgery, ChemoTherapy and Radiation. The first may be impossible in your case, and you don't want to use the other two. (Can't really blame you on that. I've seen Chemo patients. My sister used to work at a burger shop near 'Radiumhospitalet' our best cancer clinic, and patients and staff got discounts. It was good burgers, hospital food generally.. tastes bland... and there was no reason they should suffer THAT, too... )

There have been people who has(seemingly, or real) been cured of cancer by other methods, and common to them all seems to be that they all have a very strong will to live.

Does the diet help?
I have no idea, but I doubt it makes it worse. (I haven't read up on it, yet.) And it is a well-known fact that some chemicals used in food or preparation of food(the fat used in some burger joints is one example) can actually cause cancer. Avoiding those may be helpful after the fact, too.

Keeping a clean environment at home, avoiding smokers and generally living a healthy life should help keeping the immune system from being overburdened, too.

Edit:

you may want to read the Wiki article about H2O2 about halfway down there's a section about 'Therapeutic use'...



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binxalot
11-14-2006, 09:43 PM
The rife tube that was emailed to you must be set to the same RF as the cancer cell wall. The rife machine works the same way high pitch frequencies will break glass. An example being that the cancer cell's wall is the glass and the Rife machine needs to be on the same frequency that breaks that glass and bamo cancer cell is dead. You will feel dizzy from it but it does work and damn well. You can google the name RIFE to get the frequencies for each type of virus, as the rife machine can be set to kill any virus or bacteria in the body. Try rife.org and you can go here to get other cancer treatments: http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/ Knowledge is power, I'm glad you didn't get chemo or radiation.

binxalot
11-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Also, one more thing, you absolutely have to change your diet to beat the cancer. Drink absolutely no coffee or any other product with caffine in it, and no soy. Diet plays a crucial part in survival.

allanlane5
11-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Okay, people, we can relax a little. I think what 'tiger' is saying is she KNOWS there's lots of 'quack' remedies out there, she's tried several of them, and THIS remedy actually has some positive effect.

I'd HIGHLY recommend going the chemotherapy route or radiation AS WELL AS using this machine. I know it's not pleasant. Will you really lose your fertility?

I'm sorry you have cancer. You sound like young as you are you are taking a 'scientific' approach to this. I would avoid the Hydrogen Peroxide approach like the plague.

allanlane5
11-14-2006, 09:57 PM
The problem is, you're trying to 'replace' a three-position switch -- up, down, and neutral -- with a relay. Well, it will take more than one relay to achieve this.

So, you'll need a Double-pole relay to 'cut-off' the power.· Then you'll need a Double-Pole Double-Throw (DPDT) relay to do the polarity swap.· Then you'll probably need a darlington array (ULN28003) to provide enough current to activate the relays.

You'll also need a 'kill' switch on the BS2 (or on the 'cut-off' relay) to shut things down in the event of a problem.· I assume this is timed somehow?

This part: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=81697&Row=460896&Site=US

You want 2 of the DPDT, non-latching one.

This could be used for both relays.· You could probably build the circuitry on a Radio Shack breadboard -- one of those white 'plug board' things along with the wire-kit.· Use the "Interfacing a Microprocessor" course for guidance on wiring the circuit.· This is not 'trivial', but is do-able if you feel you must.

It's good you're placing the electrodes yourself, that you continue to use battery power.· I wish you well.


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Bruce Bates
11-14-2006, 10:16 PM
Gents -

Two-coil relays are available, but that does complicate things a bit. A two-coil relay CAN provide a neutral position when neither is energized.

Regards,

Bruce Bates

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allanlane5
11-14-2006, 10:40 PM
Wonderful! Part number?

jhoyoza
11-15-2006, 07:25 AM
Wow,

I feel I must recant my statement about support for such activity, and make it clear, I think anyone who subjects themselves to dangerous levels of “ANYTHING” is asking for trouble. If I was to measure my·electronic experimentation as an indicator of success, I certainly would have ‘Fried-myself'·long ago!

I see things listed above and in subsequent links that sends chills down my spine. And perhaps a few of these devices could literally do it! Some of these ‘so called’ experts appear to have less knowledge in electronics than I do. Now that’s scary…yikes!

I suggest getting professional help in anything that has to do with personal health cures and treatments. Especially when dealing with high voltages and abstract radiation treatments. Did I read that I can find the frequency of the outer skin of cancer cells on a list? And did I see an ignition coil from a 63’ Chevy in there somewhere? Did anyone else notice the (A/C) signwave symbol right above where it says 12VDC IN?

“Holy smokes,” said the BS2 as it simply sat motionless.

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Post Edited (jhoyoza) : 11/15/2006 12:41:30 AM GMT

allanlane5
11-15-2006, 10:50 PM
True, but the devices 'lily' has asked about are non-invasive, and battery powered. They generate magnetic or electric fields or both. So worst case, they do absolutely nothing good or bad except cost money.

They seem to be helping her, and she seems to know enough not to poke holes in herself or connect to AC. So best case, they seem to be helping.

I certainly share your concerns, though.

Randy Evans
11-15-2006, 11:37 PM
The power of the mind is an unknown. If you believe something will cure you, it just might. The Placebo Effect.

Randy

steve_b
11-16-2006, 10:22 PM
allanlane5 said...
....there's LOTS of 'quack' cancer remedies -- from magnetism to holistic foods to removing all mercury-based fillings to acupuncture.


I talked to my dentist about this and he told me that you actually expose yourself to more mercury 'issues' when having the old amalgum drilled out of your teeth....it turns in to a dust and you absorb/swallow it.

I wonder about these sorts of things....copper bracelets and such. A lot of the time I think it's a 'sense of well-being' thing....but if it work...!

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aquasapien
11-16-2006, 11:04 PM
There has to be some reason the rates of this disease are soaring. Considering the cocktail of chemicals placed on our food and runoff into our rivers, pollution from the urban areas, all forms of electromagnetic radiation (and cosmic) radiation bombarding our cells every second, stress, and a multitude of other things.

I agree with your dentist. One is exposed to all kinds of dangers without one's consent just for big biz to profit, or for your niehbour to have a pesticide riddled golf green lawn free of dandilions (I like them, they are purrdy I think). It seems a shame to stifle inventivness in the name of oppressive saftey in light of the overlooked facts.

Driving to work in a city every day, to work for the man has to be the biggest hazard in the average North Americans life by far. Yet no one takes a second thought about packing in the wife and kids on a long weekend regardless of the fact the road will be full of drunk drivers and at least a few whole families will be whiped out by lack of forthought of others.

I was a little shocked to see a automotive induction coil in one the schematics above, however. That could be a little worrisome to haphazardly play around with I think. Seeing as how they form the basis of some High Voltage power sources.

I am glad to have seen this post as it has stimulated my interest in it. I think I may try to moch up a unit and test it under the microscope to see the if there is basis for justifying it.

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latigerlilly
11-17-2006, 06:12 PM
Is the attached schematic O.K.? The Allied Electronics Spec Sheet for NTE R40-11D2-5/6C, Allied 235-SPEC :
www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/NTE_ELECTRONICS/NTE-Electronics_Industrial-Control_2350036.pdf (http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/NTE_ELECTRONICS/NTE-Electronics_Industrial-Control_2350036.pdf)
The NTE R40-11D2-5/6C is a DPDT relay but I'm not sure if it is the correct relay for this schematic. Thank you very much for your help.

P.S. The output of the unit read at the amp meter is adjusted to the range of 0.2 to 0.3 mA. Maximum output is 0.5 mA.

I am not sure if it will work because voltage at the relay switch (not coil) is 36 Volts while the spec sheet for the relay pegs max voltage at 28 Volts. However, the amperage for the relay switch (not coil) is 0 to 0.5 mA while the maximum amperage is pegged at 2 A by the spec sheet. So, the relay's capacity falls under the max amp rating but is over the max volt rating. However, the spec sheet's max capacity of 2 A x 28 Volt = 56 watts. My intended use of the relay is only 36 volts x 0.0005 A = 0.018 watts. So, I'm guessing that this relay will be O.K. for my intended use.

I am not sure if it will work because the way I drew my DPDT schematic and the way the spec sheet illustrated it is different. I may have misunderstood how I think their DPDT relay works. I'm also not sure if it is latching or non-latching. Also, does latching mean that once a certain configuration is set it will stay that way, even if no current is applied? The configuration is changed only if current is applied to the coils to attain a different configuration?

Post Edited (latigerlilly) : 11/17/2006 5:14:10 PM GMT

Bruce Bates
11-17-2006, 06:50 PM
So long as 1-2 amps is of adequate capacity for your needs, that 2-coil relay should work fine. The key to that particular·part number number is the "C" at the end which indicated the TWO-COIL configuration.

Here is how it will operate:

Status Coil 1 Coil 2······· Comments
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OFF····· OFF·· OFF··· "neutral"

ON1····· ON··· OFF··· "circuit 1·ONLY energized"

ON2···· OFF·· ON····· "circuit 2 ONLY energized"

And those are the three states you require which is the same switching configuration as a DPDT c/o (double pole double throw center off) switch.

Regards,

Bruce Bates

Jim Richey
11-17-2006, 09:12 PM
Hey Latigerlily-
Sorry about your predicament.I'm a cancer survivor myself.They gave me
3-5 years to live,7 years ago.With a common sense approach involving healthy
habits,and much luck,I seem to be fine now.I had 6 months of chemo,it really
wasn't that bad,radiation treatments and surgery.
Looking at the various methods of applying pulsating current of various intensities
and frequencies to eliminate pain and cure cancer that you are interested in may
or may not do any good.I've tried a lot of stuff on my own body too.But,one thing
you can do if you want to experiment is buy a TENS unit.They are cheap,nicely
engineered and comprehensive.A kit will include instructions and professional electrodes
to place wherever needed.It will be a fully adjustable unit in terms of pulse
width,intensity and duration.You can get one from Healiohealth,on the web,without
a prescription.

Best wishes
Jim Richey

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latigerlilly
11-18-2006, 10:12 AM
Thankx! Bruce Bates, Randy Evans and allanlane5 have not only helped me but also taught me something about relays to boot. Their suggestions regarding the pain control machine have taught me enough about relays to design my own solution for the cancer machine. You guys are the best!

P.S. Some posters have asked about the operation of the machine, so here is my response. The machine's output is 15 volts across your body at 0.2 to 0.3 mA. Maximum output is 0.5 mA. The blood conducts electricity like wires once the electricity gets across the skin, which is a resistor. Therefore, you have to place the electrode pads with the help of Gray's Anatomy. Make sure the path of electricity flows across the diseased tissue. Also, make sure that the positive electrode is closer to the diseased tissue and the negative electrode is placed away from the diseased tissue. Treatment times vary, according to your needs, but I generally use it 20 minutes a day, twice daily. I reverse polarity every 4 minutes for 1 minute. Reversal of polarity helps prevent swelling since a negative charge attracts water while a positive charge attracts white blood cells. Too much water attracted around a specific area will cause swelling. Make sure the path of electricity never crosses the heart or brain. Some people use it on their brains and claim it is safe since doctors place electrodes in the brain of higher volts and amps for seizure treatment, but I am too chicken to do so. Make sure the unit is turned off, the electrodes are connected, and the potentiometer is set on maximum resistance before you turn the unit on. After you turn it on, carefully adjust down the resistance with the potentiometer until you get 0.2 to 0.3 mA. Never go above 0.5 mA due to safety reasons.

Post Edited (latigerlilly) : 11/18/2006 11:18:51 AM GMT