PDA

View Full Version : Chatter How the ELEV-8 changed my weekend! (and workbench shots)



mindrobots
02-13-2012, 03:44 PM
I thought it would be fun to start building my ELEV-8 this weekend after I finished my chores. MY only problem is I had a bit of clutter on my chosen worktable that had to be squared away.
89547

So, 5 or 6 hours later, 2 new storage shelves and lots of elbow grease later.......24sq ft of clean flat work surface on a handy roll-away base. Well, roll away if you're strong enough.

89548

I think it needs some power outlets and an electronics safe covering of some sort.

In case you're wondering the original function behind this massive table? Underneath are 500-600 pounds of stained glass

89549

More proof I have enough hobbies that I won't be bored if I ever quit my day job!!

As a counterpoint to Ken's wonderful, clean workshop, I'll share mine......in my defense, I REALLY haven't been able to do anything other than scrounge for tools and do quick repairs in my workshop since we adopted our daughter in 2005. But there's a lot of fun stuff down there when that spare time shows up!!


8955489555

They say confession is good for the soul......and cleaning always makes the wife happy!!

Microcontrolled
02-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Nice!! If I had $550, I'd get an ELEV8 too. Pretty cool system in itself, but are you going to add any custom additions once you build it? Either way, pretty cool! I hope you can bring it to UPENE this year!

Ttailspin
02-13-2012, 04:28 PM
I want to design my next work bench with a continuously moving conveyor belt, it will return(go around) once a week.
and everything not moved to the back of the belt will drop into a waste basket.
That should go a long way to subjugate the "flat spot" hell some of us put ourselves through...

-Tommy

mindrobots
02-13-2012, 04:31 PM
@microcontrolled: I only have one because of the generosity of Parallax and my luck with Matt G's contest!

If I get it built by August and don't lose it in a crash, it will be at UPENE if I'm there!

As for additions....BLINKMs, PINGs? a NERF gun (don't tell Jeff)? I think autonomous flight would be fun.

mindrobots
02-13-2012, 04:33 PM
@Tommy

"flat spot hell" YUP!! I've never met a horizontal surface I can't cover with stuff!!

The conveyor is a brilliant idea!

Ken Gracey
02-13-2012, 04:36 PM
The ELEV-8 provided the perfect opportunity to get the whole shop cleaned up. With 6-8 hrs of assembly and a possibly a trip to the hobby store you wouldn't want to start an ELEV-8 amidst a mess. And like you said, great way to get spousal support around this time-consuming [but rewarding] project.

Nice planning and setup, Rick! This ensures a tidy assembly. Be sure to keep those 3.5mm bullet connectors covered with heat shrink so that when they butt to one another they're not showing any metal. I once had a strange problem with a short in the tube (or against a screw) that took me a few hours to figure out. Don't be like me.

Ken Gracey

mindrobots
02-13-2012, 04:49 PM
@Ken

Whole shop cleaned up?? OH NO, NO, NO......just the targeted work table. I'm not gung-ho enough to tackle the whole shop - I'd miss UPENE if I tried that!!!

Thanks for the assembly tip. I'm trying to collect all these tips together. There's a wealth of experience before me!

(we won't mention going out to buy a radio and receiver (DX6i) on Friday and the need for batteries........your fault too! :smile: I'll take the blame for the Blade mQX training quadcopter that followed me home)

Ken Gracey
02-13-2012, 05:14 PM
One way to get it done is to simplify. I know we're all collectors of electronic stuff, but if you haven't used something, donate it. Many people can't handle the thought of this, but it sure makes life easier. I'm only hanging on to a couple of parts/projects that I won't re-purpose in the future - the rest of it goes to the "junk" table at UPEW. This year I've got a nice box of roller chain, cogs and parts for a tracked robot coming to the table, along with a few older Parallax boards I used in past projects.

Ken Gracey

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
02-13-2012, 05:24 PM
I'm always amazed how fast you can build a pack-rat collection of electronics!! I've got a basement shop that needs to go on Ebay or the Freebie table at UPENE! I set out a couple years ago to be better stocked with items that I use than Radio Shack. I've hit the mark, but at a price! :)

Great job on the shop! Once I finish getting the PC repair / GG shipping shop done, I'll probably tackle my basement shop next. (Timing may run just in time for UPENE.)

OBC

erco
02-13-2012, 09:24 PM
One way to get it done is to simplify. I know we're all collectors of electronic stuff, but if you haven't used something, donate it.

That's so counter to my nature. I KNOW I'll need that stuff as soon as I give it away... Probably.

Ken Gracey
02-13-2012, 09:34 PM
That's so counter to my nature. I KNOW I'll need that stuff as soon as I give it away... Probably.

Can you get a few photos of your collection for us? We know you have an interest in eBay, so please share.

How about this for comparison. When you've really wanted something - anything [except for a new bicycle] - you know that the chase is most of the fun, right? Doing the research, watching it on eBay and finally placing the order is very rewarding. But then you own it, and sometimes you realize that most of the fun was in the chase, right? If you've ever felt this way, then parting with excess goodies has the same effect. Chasing it out of your house can be more rewarding than actually storing it!

Or, if you want real therapy about collecting goods, take a trip to China. When you see how everything is created from raw materials you start to look at the finished product as something that just evolved from the components and raw material. Knowing how it's made and seeing the distribution process take it's piece of the pie was some kind of cure-all for me. Now I'm less of a shopper, and I only buy it if I'll keep it till I'm carbon.

mindrobots
02-13-2012, 09:46 PM
@erco/Ken

...like my 600 pounds of glass....as soon as I give away my raw materials, I'm sure I'll have a glass project needing just that perfect shade of blue I collected....
...or the wood (you can't see the wood racks from these shots).....give away the Bubinga and you'll need Bubinga the next week!
...or the Lie Nielsen Low Angle Jack Plane....you know you'll run across that unruly piece of Bird's Eye Maple......

...it just can't be done!

erco
02-13-2012, 10:06 PM
@Ken: Better to give than receive?

You only keep what you give away?

A toy is never happy until it is loved (AKA, a part is never happy until it is used)?

I read these fairy tales to our twins, but they clearly fall into the category "do as I say, not as I do" !

Ken Gracey
02-13-2012, 10:07 PM
@Rick, sure, I understand that. These are raw materials you use for the hobby. The Bird's Eye Maple and glass pieces will be wanted sooner or later - I equate their existence to the pile of aluminum and acrylic pieces I keep in my shop ('cept you are more of an artist, apparently). The kinds of goodies that I wouldn't let pile up are more like things one might pick up at a swap, at a Wal-Mart, or in some cases from the Home Shopping Network. Or, maybe you have tools that have since been replaced with new ones, but you keep the old one just in case. . .

Ken Gracey
02-13-2012, 10:10 PM
@Ken: Better to give than receive?

You only keep what you give away?

A toy is never happy until it is loved (AKA, a part is never happy until it is used)?

I read these fairy tales to our twins, but they clearly fall into the category "do as I say, not as I do" !

If I'm not going to use it in the foreseeable future, I don't keep it. And if it has feelings then it's probably happier somewhere else if it can be put to use.

I recently saw a story on TED about a fellow who lives in a 10x20 box. Everything folds out of the wall and serves multiple purposes. Although a bit extreme, there was something interesting about the minimalism of his approach. Wouldn't work in my case, and I don't advocate the idea for anybody with a family, but it sure was interesting.

GordonMcComb
02-13-2012, 11:31 PM
I have a 5-Year Rule policy: If I haven't uses something in five years, I probably won't anytime soon, so I get rid of it. Like, what am I going to do with that 6-foot Centronics parallel cable in my junk box? The Rule applies to household items, too. I think we have some packages of Band-Aids that are about 15 years old. They no longer have any stickum.

I used to horde up on stuff, but I've maxed out my 5-bedroom house, and over the last couple of years I've been in reduction mode (that also applies to adult-age children still living at home!). Now I only get what I need for a project.

It was good to see Rick's work table, though -- for once someone messier than I am! :lol:

Rick, all the boxes in the background look untouched between photos. So what did you do with all the stuff on the work table?

-- Gordon

User Name
02-14-2012, 12:01 AM
An accurate gauge of interest-level in a new project or hobby is the amount of cleaning up and/or throwing out I'm willing to do. Powered paragliding produced a huge clean-up.

mindrobots
02-14-2012, 02:12 AM
It was good to see Rick's work table, though -- for once someone messier than I am! :lol:

Rick, all the boxes in the background look untouched between photos. So what did you do with all the stuff on the work table?

-- Gordon

Thanks! (I think!) I'm glad I could inspire and increase your self-image!!

The background boxes were untouched - they contain our Teddy Bear collection to the left and the remaining inventory from our Bear store to the right. We had enough of retail one day and just closed the doors! It's an endless supply of gifts and donations. There's a brand new storage shelf just out of the picture on the left. All of the stained glass tools and supplies ended up there. Lots of things ended up in the trash this morning. It was cathartic to come to a clean table top at the end of the day!

Microcontrolled
02-14-2012, 02:51 AM
How about this for comparison. When you've really wanted something - anything [except for a new bicycle] - you know that the chase is most of the fun, right? Doing the research, watching it on eBay and finally placing the order is very rewarding. But then you own it, and sometimes you realize that most of the fun was in the chase, right?

You're telling this to a guy who talked up and eventually purchased an original Ham Radio HeathKit for $777. I'm sure he can relate. :)

BTW, Ken, have you ever thought to flying down to the Eastern Expo? A little extra Parallax appearance would be nice.

@mindrobots: What do you make with stained glass? Windows, or is there some other use?

mindrobots
02-14-2012, 04:59 AM
@micro: mostly panels, some boxes, candle holders, small lanterns, lampshades. Either leaded glass, where you take a lead "H" channel and fit it between the cut glass and the solder it at the lead joints or else Tiffany style glass where you wrap the cut glass edges in copper foil and then solder all places where the pieces touch. The largest panel I've made was 28 x 28 or something like that for our bathroom window ( I still owe my wife a half circle panel for the top). You really wouldn't want an actual stained glass window. They aren't structural pieces and work much better as a decorative panel inside a modern double/triple pane window. I took some classes to work my way up to the big panel and gott hooked - it's a totally different hobby to play with the different glasses, colors and how they interact with the light. Try it if you ever get the opportunity!

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
02-14-2012, 05:40 AM
I'm a pack-rat -- I admit it. But my saving grace is that I have a limited amount of space, and I'm too cheap to build or rent a storage locker. So some stuff has to go from time to time. At the point of my ultimate demise, however, in order to spare my friends and family the chore of sorting all this stuff out for sale or disposal, I'm inclined to demand a Viking funeral, where I and all my possessions are loaded into my house, which is then set afire. :)

-Phil

Ken Gracey
02-14-2012, 05:57 AM
@Phil, not to divulge too much about your age here, but you've got 30+ years to think about it. By then, we'll probably have excessive population demands and you'll be living in a floating pod in the harbor tied to a buoy just to save space for younger people who justify more space on land. The Federal Agency for Stuff Transition (FAST) will have already forced you to re-target your treasured belongings back into the raw materials subject to short supply. It'll have to be more complicated than you presently imagine.

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
02-14-2012, 06:18 AM
Ken,

"Save space for younger people," my butt! As long as AARP is around, those FAST dweebs won't stand a chance! Besides, my fort made from obsolete inventory and abandoned projects, armed with 12-shot, IR-activated rubber band guns, will be impregnable. Bring it on, punks!

-Phil

mindrobots
02-14-2012, 02:28 PM
@micro: Here's a picture of the BIG project. I knew I had a shot of it out in my Flickr stream. (excuse the blur around the edges, I was being arsy-fartsy - another hobby showing it's head!)


http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4048/4680194067_96b4e6c54d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rapost/4680194067/)
The Window (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rapost/4680194067/) by Rick Post Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/rapost/), on Flickr

schill
02-14-2012, 11:32 PM
My ELEV-8 is sitting unassembled due to a combination of work, other projects, and lack of workspace (the pictures above look familiar - at least in spirit).

However, this discussion has reminded me of something I wanted to bring up before UPENE. This isn't the right place for it, but it does follow where the thread has gone.

I have a lot of stuff around from projects that didn't pan out or weren't followed through with. I'm thinking mostly about final commercial products rather than parts. You know, the things you look at and say "That's cheap and I could make such and such out of the parts." These could be toys, small handheld devices (like Peeks), or something similar.

They are in perfect working order, but several years old and have not been used in the projects that I envisioned for them. I don't feel a need to recoup any of the money that I spent on them I could dump them on the freebie table at UPENE but I was wondering if there might be a better way to get rid of them. One possibility would be to add them to the charity auction but I think that can rapidly get out of hand and distract from the more directly Parallax-oriented stuff.

So, I was thinking maybe there should be another table - not part of the auction or freebies. Instead of the auction or giving them away, maybe a suggested donation could be assigned to each thing on the table (maybe they'd all be $5 or maybe it could vary by item). The money would just go straight into the same charitable donation as the auction. If it looked like stuff wasn't going away, the suggested donation could decrease as the day went on.

Even if there isn't an official way to do this, I guess I could just unofficially do this myself to get rid of my stuff.

Matt Gilliland
02-14-2012, 11:49 PM
a picture of the BIG project
Golly, Rick. That's beautiful :-)
-Matt

Microcontrolled
02-15-2012, 12:33 AM
@mindrobots: That's really nice! It must have taken hours to put it all together!
Just out of curiosity, how hard is it to cut the glass like that? What kind of tool do you use, a wet saw?

mindrobots
02-15-2012, 04:39 AM
@schill: I like the idea - like a $5 grab bag table. Stuff too good to just give away that could raise a few dollars for the charity but not so good that it would raise a lot in an auction or raffle.

@matt: thanks! I really enjoy the glass work it's relaxing and satisfying. Like woodworking with hand tools.

@micro: I think the big panel came together over a five week class. Class was one night each week and then a lot of drawing, pattern making, glass cutting, grinding, foiling and soldering during the rest of the week.

It's surprisingly easy to cut glass once you learn a few tricks. You don't actually cut it, you score it and then bend it and it (usually) fractures along the score line. Some glass is easier to score and snap than others. You can actually cut rather complex curves with practice - s curves, deep arcs,etc. you also learn how to draw your design and the curves you need to cut to stay within your capabilities. I do have a wet grinder to clean up some difficult cuts and take the sharp edges off (they tend to damage the foil). It's fun to see howmgoodmyou can make the pieces fit without grinding. Of course, sometimes a piece of glass has hidden fractures in it and I breaks along those lines instead ofmyour score line.

All in all, a very satisfying and rewarding hobby!

erco
02-20-2012, 03:59 AM
Got some cleaning and organizing done this weekend, but the big home improvement project was installing a new "seat of learning".

A new toilet! :)

Bang for the buck, my best $150 and 3 hour investment lately. Sounds silly, but a nice new, water-efficient commode looks good and really jazzes up the joint. It replaced an original water guzzler from 1957.

'57 Chevy: Good!
'57 Toilet: Bad!

It was an unbelieveably easy swap (only had to saw one rusty bolt) and a quick feel-good experience. Sadly, it looked too easy to the wife. I should have struggled longer and more visibly and made 6 trips back to Home Depot (EVERYTHING was in box, dangit). Now the wife is in home improvement mode and wants to remodel the whole bathroom. Then a new kitchen sink... AAARRRGGGHH!

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
02-20-2012, 04:10 AM
I'm stickin' with my 1950's model T*rdbuster 2000! It never has to be flushed twice. I took that little water-saver washer out of my shower head, too., and it's a gusher! I don't enjoy many domestic luxuries, but I decided long ago that the throne room is no place to scrimp on comfort.

As to the rest of the house? 'Don't wanna touch it! Starting just one project would be like pulling a thread on a sweater.

-Phil

erco
02-20-2012, 04:19 AM
I do wonder if the 1.3 gallon per flush ultimately leads to more plumbing clogs later on. Seems like more water flowing through 50+ year-old pipes would keep things moving along better.

mindrobots
02-20-2012, 05:09 AM
Phil, sounds like erco is having a bit of help unraveling his sweater!!!

Being the proud owner of 50+ year old personal pipes, you do anything it takes to keep things moving!!

On the Elev-8 front, I'm done cleaning the carpets, have helicopter parts arranged on my work table and my batteries and charger are on order!

Ttailspin
02-20-2012, 03:42 PM
I noticed my mailbox was leaning a bit, so I thought I should fix that before it fell into the street,
No problem, after all, I am a journeyman carpenter, I will make short work of this repair.
anyway, off to the tool shed I go, I get to the tool shed, and notice the lock is sticking,
I remember the graphite is still in the house, so off to the house I go, I get as far as the front porch
and notice one of the steps is loose, I figure I better fix that first, but I know the hammer is in the truck,
So off to the truck tool box I go, I get to the truck and notice one of the tires is low on air, the air chuck is
in the compressor shed, so off to the compressor shed I go to grab an air hose and tire inflater,
That takes me through the garden gate, why is the garden gate sagging now? I guess I better fix that,
I will need a screw driver for that, but, The screw driver got left in the green house (someone used it to make seed holes),
So off to the green house I go, That means walking by the pond, well, wouldn't you know it, the skimmer is full of leaves,
guess I better empty that before the pump shuts down. so walking over the bridge to get to the skimmer,
I notice the hand rail on the bridge has come loose, I guess I better fix that before someone falls into the pond,
Well that means I will want the cordless screw driver to make the repair, Now where is that thing?
oh yes, it's in the spare bedroom, so off to the spare bedroom I go, it's a little dark in there, so I turn on the light switch,
Drat, the light bulb is burned out, "HONEY!, where are the spare light bulbs?" In the pantry? ok I will look for them.
So off to the pantry I go, but that takes me by the refrigerator that holds my homebrew...

I wonder how much my mailbox has to lean before they stop delivering the mail??


-Tommy

mindrobots
02-20-2012, 03:46 PM
I'm impressed you can remember where all that stuff was! I vaguely recall having a memory once.......

Ahhhh, free time!! (as in free beer!) :lol: