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frank freedman
08-18-2011, 03:10 AM
Eh, never mind

StefanL38
08-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Hello Frank,

this is a really true question from the bottom of my heart. No irony and no sarcasm at all.
Can you please explain what you mean?

Even in case I outed myself as really thumb. I really would like to understand it.

best regards

Stefan

Humanoido
08-18-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm interested too.

idbruce
08-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Frank

Come on, give it a shot, and speak your piece. However, in my opinion, there is good and bad in everyone, and both sides of each individual that participates in the forum will eventually show up :)

Bruce

frank freedman
08-18-2011, 09:20 PM
Frank

Come on, give it a shot, and speak your piece. However, in my opinion, there is good and bad in everyone, and both sides of each individual that participates in the forum will eventually show up :)

Bruce

Well, first let me tighten up the seals on my asbestos undies......

Fresh from another forum and the delete key not being someones friend (not me), I noticed that there was not the first time, a solved without an explanation and probably wrote a bit too much. Noticing that it was not "that" common an event, I thought "Eh, never mind". Just not sure how to cancel the post, only edit so just let the bubble sort (a covert consequence of this type of forum) sink it into obscurity.

I had thought to suggest that whenever someone calls a solved that they put the solution with it. Us newbies could learn from it and/or the egotistically challenged could know when to stop kibitzing.

Unless of course the solution would require an NDA or termination if the author showed it to us.....

That's all....

Frank

doggiedoc
08-18-2011, 09:23 PM
whenever someone calls a solved that they put the solution with it

Sounds like a good suggestion.

(And I thought this was going to get juicy.)

Paul

idbruce
08-18-2011, 09:24 PM
Frank, Frank, Frank.. :)

Your suggestion is good, I thought we would get a list. Kind of like:


Get rid of Bruce

frank freedman
08-18-2011, 09:29 PM
And loose the humor content???

I think not yet. You must in any case find your own replacement.

Frank

idbruce
08-18-2011, 09:33 PM
I think not yet.


You may want to reserve some space in this thread to get an early post. That way you can always claim that you thought of it first :)

Heater.
08-18-2011, 09:34 PM
I must agree that sometimes it is a little annoying to follow someones tribulations on a thread only to have end ubruptly or with a "I fixed, thanx" without any clue what the solution was. It's like finding the last pages of some paperback story missing. Still, there's not much you can do to prevent that and there's always another story to catch your attention coming along soon.

idbruce
08-18-2011, 09:35 PM
there's always another story to catch your attention coming along soon


So true.

Duane Degn
08-18-2011, 11:48 PM
I think the reason no explanation is given is because the poster finally realized they made a dumb mistake in their setup and were too embarrassed to tell everyone their error.

You know, we've all done it. Didn't set the clock mode, forgot to add sufficient stack space, had the terminal window set to the wrong baud rate, etc (I've got a long list just from my own experience).

Now if the problem was solved with some very cleaver code or hardware then you bet the OP will be sure to let you know how they solved the problem.

Duane

potatohead
08-19-2011, 04:16 AM
Totally.

It is hard sometimes when you've done battle with something really silly like that. Been there. Will be there again too.

Somehow this should not be a worry, because it's basically funny, but it is.

Humanoido
08-19-2011, 10:59 AM
I must agree that sometimes it is a little annoying to follow someones tribulations on a thread only to have end ubruptly or with a "I fixed, thanx" without any clue what the solution was. It's like finding the last pages of some paperback story missing. Still, there's not much you can do to prevent that and there's always another story to catch your attention coming along soon.

When that happens and I'm interested in the solution, I like to follow up with something like a "How did you solve it?" response. Sometimes we're surprised by a reply. But many times, especially with a delayed post, the original author is long gone, so we should get that question in before it's too late!

Humanoido
08-19-2011, 11:05 AM
I think the reason no explanation is given is because the poster finally realized they made a dumb mistake in their setup and were too embarrassed to tell everyone their error.

You know, we've all done it. Didn't set the clock mode, forgot to add sufficient stack space, had the terminal window set to the wrong baud rate, etc (I've got a long list just from my own experience).

Now if the problem was solved with some very cleaver code or hardware then you bet the OP will be sure to let you know how they solved the problem.

Duane

Duane, I think this is true. Several times I've had a circuit that made me want to pull out hair. I wanted to post for help but refrained. After a day of troubleshooting I find out that a single wire was inadvertently pulled off the board by the company cleaning lady when dusting! I sure wouldn't want to post, "hey all! I found the problem. It was caused by the cleaning lady!!!" :lol:

Humanoido
08-19-2011, 11:20 AM
Well, first let me tighten up the seals on my asbestos undies......
That's all....Frank
Frank, it does appear the most brilliant engineers gravitated towards this asbestos investment. However, incessant itching took over every thought, and posts were relegated into the realm of undue frustration sometimes resulting in impatient subversive wording, unmentionable language and undue sarcasm. I thought you would say, "it's time for a recall."
:)

Paul Sr.
08-19-2011, 02:22 PM
What does this thread have to do with the Prop???

Peter Jakacki
08-19-2011, 02:33 PM
What does this thread have to do with the Prop???

It seems the thread title starts with the PROPer appellation to qualify it: "PROPosed new forum etiquette... "

Anyway, I'm just helping to PROP it up a bit.

idbruce
08-19-2011, 02:54 PM
@Frank

Your in trouble now. The self-designated forum police are asking questions. UH OH. Good thing Peter has an alibi for you!

Bruce

idbruce
08-19-2011, 03:08 PM
My question is:


What is wrong with having a topic a little off subject?
I personally like an occassional thread to just shoot the breeze and joke a little bit. It provides a nice opportunity to get to know the guys and gals associated with the forum. There are plenty of serious threads to learn and teach things. I am personally tired of people harassing other people because their thread is a little off course. I wish this would change, but I guess people don't have anything better to do.

In my opinion, for the most part, a designated forum should try to stick to the topic, but hey, I am also trying to make friends here, so some light hearted conversation here and there in an off topic thread is good for that.

Bruce

ctwardell
08-19-2011, 03:16 PM
[QUOTE=idbruce;1028663]It provides a nice opportunity to get to know the guys and gals associated with the forum./QUOTE]

Speaking of gals, has anyone heard anything from Holly M. lately?

C.W.

frank freedman
08-19-2011, 04:11 PM
@peter, and a damn fine alibi it is, though I would reconsider using it in public.

@Bruce, the self-proclaimed forum fuzz should be glad I don't open the thread about all the old computing war stories/experiences/toys I have used/had/know about. I did that on the biomed listserve, in response to a question and seems everyone had a favorite to add. Thread ran strong for about 2.5 weeks..........

But social media. It is what it is, and that is why my favorite key is the delete key unless the forum is structured like this one. The bubble sort, which may not be quite an "unintended consequence" can sink some threads fairly quickly. I don't need to read what I don't want to. On others, "The delete key is your friend". (Which phrase is a mod of one I used to use while training medical imaging FEs in video systems, "the vertical/horizontal sync is your friend!!".

Frank

Paul Sr.
08-19-2011, 06:12 PM
My question is:


What is wrong with having a topic a little off subject?




Nothing at all - in the GENERAL forum. Go there to "just shoot the breeze and joke a little bit" all you want!

idbruce
08-19-2011, 06:15 PM
And what is soooooo very terrible about being a little off topic in the Propeller forum? Can you feel pain from it? Did it cause you any financial loss? I am certain that the problem existed before the thread was posted :)

PJ Allen
08-19-2011, 06:28 PM
Who decides whose off-topic junk is excessive?
What's "a little", what's too much?

Isn't everyone justified in his own eyes?

Does it make people feel important just to post in the Propeller Forum, no matter what it's about; somehow the fatuous is made significant because it's over here?

jazzed
08-19-2011, 06:32 PM
And what is soooooo very terrible about being a little off topic in the Propeller forum? Can you feel pain from it? Did it cause you any financial loss? I am certain that the problem existed before the thread was posted :)
There used to be a set of rules about keeping things on topic, etc.... Folks might read the latest Forum Rules (http://forums.parallax.com/misc.php?do=showrules) for an update.

idbruce
08-19-2011, 06:38 PM
C'mon Jazzed, you seem like a decent guy. Yes, there are rules, and I am all for keeping things in order, but I don't see why people attack one another for slight indiscretions within the forum, it is so unfriendly, and I personally find them more offensive than an improper post.

EDIT: Especially if it is me that makes an improper post, and then some $##*& comes telling me about it.

idbruce
08-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Well I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I am getting awfully tired of supporting a forum that offers heavy handed auditing by the staff.

Bruce

idbruce
08-19-2011, 06:53 PM
Heavy handed auditing by the staff upsets me more than the actual whiners and complainers about improper posts.

Mike Cook
08-19-2011, 06:54 PM
I think this is the link jazzed was looking for:

http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?62888-Forum-Guidelines

Mike Green
08-19-2011, 07:01 PM
This thread has been moved to General Discussion. When the thread was started, it could reasonably have been in any of several forums. As more and more of the messages dealt with issues unrelated to the original title, the thread no longer "belonged" in the Propeller forum and the General Discussion forum is kind of a "catch all" for threads that don't fit into other forums.

I can't speak for other forum moderators or administrators, but I see my role mostly as responding to requests and complaints made using the Report Post button. In this case, several people expressed concerns in their messages about this thread drifting off-topic for the Propeller forum and they were correct.

jazzed
08-19-2011, 07:14 PM
C'mon Jazzed, you seem like a decent guy. ...
I was trying to be decent ... not taking any sides. Hope I didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter.

@Mike Cook, thanks for finding that post. It's a shame the forum rules link is confusing.

Tor
08-19-2011, 09:53 PM
I'm wondering how the rest of you are reading the forum (seriously, I'm curious). Because the only way I can read it is by clicking "What's New" and then I see all of them (well, pages of all of them), and then I pick&read. So, in practice, to me it does not matter what so ever which subforum any post is posted in, in fact I have no idea which subforum it is in unless I deliberately look for it. I usually simply look at the thread title, and that's it.
If I start a new thread I _would_ look at which subforum to post in, but as a reader it's of very little importance. When I started to read this thread I had no idea it was in the Propeller subforum, and I wouldn't have known it had been moved to another if it hadn't been mentioned in a posting.

-Tor

Mike Green
08-19-2011, 10:18 PM
Start with http://forums.parallax.com/forum.php, then click on the forum you want to look at. You will probably have one or two forums you tend to look at in detail and you might browse the list of forums and their first thread names just to see if any catch your interest.

prof_braino
08-19-2011, 10:31 PM
Frank, Frank, Frank.. :)

Your suggestion is good, I thought we would get a list. Kind of like:


Get rid of Bruce


Seconded.

Oh sorry, wrong quote, :) I meant



I had thought to suggest that whenever someone calls a solved that they put the solution with it.
Unless of course the solution would require an NDA or termination if the author showed it to us...

,,, in which case author says "prevented by NDA" or such.

Seconded.

Or is it too late to get back on topic?

@Tor - I had a bookmark to the prop forum. I only recently started noticing the other sub forums. I never noticed the "What's New" button until you asked, now I have a link to that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

frank freedman
08-20-2011, 02:13 AM
What does this thread have to do with the Prop???

This topic arose from seeing multiple solved with no explanation of why or how. It had some minor drift until your post pushed it into another direction. It had generated mostly relevant and positive responses prior too that point. I will agree that it could have fit into many possible places, however the prop forum is where MY interests lie, so that is where I posted. The other forums except projects (when I finally get a clear explanation of it's purpose) for the curve tracer project currently in design were of minimal interest to me. I don' t usually go into forums not relevant to MY interests. I guess that should enable some understanding of my criminal behavior. Good thing I have no stars to take away.

Frank