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ProcessingData...
07-23-2009, 09:38 AM
Is it possible to create a female voice with vocal tract, or is it just too high of a frequency?-- ProccessingData...

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mctrivia
07-23-2009, 01:04 PM
should be but would require lots of time.

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Hanno
07-23-2009, 01:48 PM
It's a big commitment.
Also, getting the code right will be hard- it'll change it's mind all the time.
Once you start it'll be hard to do anything else- code "jealousy"
And finally, the code might become dynamic and reproduce- then you lose all your free time.
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MagIO2
07-23-2009, 03:57 PM
But wouldn't it be nice to have a female propeller? You could put it together with a male propeller and have your own propeller production running. How long does it take to grow the little props up to 32 bits??

4Alex
07-23-2009, 08:58 PM
Mating 32bits propellers? Who knows, perhaps we'll get 64bits offsprings...

In any case, a female prop would be the only reason I'd be looking for a hot IC !

Couldn't resist. Cheers,

Alex

Toby Seckshund
07-23-2009, 10:01 PM
The femail vocal tract usually tells me to stop pratting about with electronics, and to do something else.

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Mike Green
07-23-2009, 10:13 PM
It's not just a matter of changing the pitch (frequency). The proportions and ratios of proportions are different. You can experiment with the vocal tract parameters and see what you get.

4Alex
07-23-2009, 10:39 PM
Mike is right. Synthetic female speech is difficult to achieve. I've used a few chip sets and the male version always have a better sounding. Here's a link from AT&T Labs. Even with all their resources you can hear the difference using the different speakers. You can give it a try at:

http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php

Cheers,

Alex

mctrivia
07-23-2009, 10:50 PM
Though if you just increase frequency will sound more female. Accidently played a bill Crosby record at wrong speed he sounded like a girl

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Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
07-23-2009, 10:54 PM
Chip did a fantastic presentation on speech at UPEW. You can view it on the recap page.
www.parallax.com/tabid/784/Default.aspx (http://www.parallax.com/tabid/784/Default.aspx)

But hey, why lower the bar... Why not a sultry female VocalTract voice?? http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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ProcessingData...
07-24-2009, 08:28 AM
4Alex said...
Mating 32bits propellers? Who knows, perhaps we'll get 64bits offsprings...
Hey, we might be on to something here...http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

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Toby Seckshund
07-24-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah, but ...

The next thing somebody would try would be immoral, in a misguided quest for 128bits

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mctrivia
07-24-2009, 10:34 PM
We need 4 different voices so we can have a whole family on 1 prop

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4Alex
07-25-2009, 12:47 AM
How could the quest for 128bits be misguided and immoral? Electronic selection could improve the propeller breed to a greater future. More efficient, faster, leaner, a bit (no pun intended) like the bulk of the current breeds of dogs that didn't even existed 150 years ago. Shorter leads and brainier marvels seems to be the shining evolutive path for the electronic denizens. Oh wait: I think I get your point.

On the other lead, so to speak, we all agree that avidly seeking the enjoyment of an artificial feminine voice tract is definitely not immoral! http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Cheers,

Alex

VIRAND
07-27-2009, 01:47 PM
ProcessingData said...
Is it possible to create a female voice with vocal tract, or is it just too high of a frequency?


I tried to hack the Sevens and Monks demo voices for that but I got strange results,
for example I couldn't get some of the voices to
sing certain notes without them cracking out loud popping random static noise.
(I wonder what causes that and how to avoid it, because it happens to me a lot when I try to
change the voices.)

How do the formant filters work in the vocal tract object?

Changing the crystal seemed to only make lower voices, or silence,
but I haven't tried 6.25Mhz crystals like those someone mentioned in an unrelated topic.

My experience with other kinds of speech synthesis suggests female voices are NOT too high.
(If they were, then you couldn't understand them on wire telephones, which only go up to 3Khz.)

John R.
07-28-2009, 03:40 AM
VIRAND said...My experience with other kinds of speech synthesis suggests female voices are NOT too high.· (If they were, then you couldn't understand them on wire telephones, which only go up to 3Khz.)


You mean you can understand them on wire telephones?· I can't even understand them "live", much less Memorex or anything else.· Hear them, yes; understand them, no.
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FWIW: I vote for sultry with a·British accent.
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Back on topic:· I agree that it sure seems easier to get male voices, but why?· Is this an indirect result of a male dominated area of development, or are female voices really harder to synthesize?

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4Alex
07-28-2009, 07:30 PM
@John R.:

I don't think 'a male dominated area of development' is to be blame here, though we've seen plenty of that happening in the past.

My gut feeling would be to look at the significant physiological differences of the voice organs in the male and female. As young child, both genders sounds quite similar. As the body develop from infant (they all cry similarly) to early adolescence, the voice change relatively linearly. It's only through puberty that significant (and dramatic) variations occurs. Kids do sounds quite 'neutral' when young (i.e., it is more difficult to identify the speaker's gender over the phone). In more mature adulthood, the voice changes again as the organs are no longer as flexible as they used to be. The 'richness' (you call it sultry) comes from multiple, complex, and unique developmental configurations. The pulsed air is accordingly modulated into very complex minute differences almost unique to each speaker, so it becomes easier to identify them individually. Male voices use more of the lower frequencies than female voices. Perhaps there is less diversity in that sound mix, so it makes it simpler to synthesise. Or for listeners to simply recognise the end result as being of a 'typical' male voice.

The polyphonic voices demo from Parallax really sounds like males singing, and it is definitely in the lower frequencies domain.

So, my other gut feeling is that it shouldn't be as difficult to create a synthetic voice of kids as compared to adults. The modelisation could be a good starting point, with progressive addition of variations as the working model evolves. Great academic / science fair project. It would be interesting to see ('hear') at which point the 'real' difficulties starts. Anyway, I doubt that there would be much commercial interest in that: beside being somewhat of an annoying pitch, people might not feel comfortable enough with kid voices giving them directions...

Cheers,

Alex

Leon
07-28-2009, 07:47 PM
I used to work on the human factors of military communication systems. Lots of studies have shown that male speech is significantly more intelligible than female speech, using both natural and synthesized speech, over a given communication channel. For emergency conditions I remember a proposal that a familiar voice, such as that of a pilot's wife or child, might produce a quicker response than the usual warning tone.

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Post Edited (Leon) : 7/28/2009 12:54:27 PM GMT

Mike Green
07-28-2009, 08:17 PM
On the other hand, both natural and synthesized female voices are noticed (by both male and female subjects) much more readily than male voices which is why emergency messages (like stall warnings) are in female voices.

Apple's voice synthesis software has very nice male and female voices that come with the Mac OS as standard features.

Toby Seckshund
07-28-2009, 09:27 PM
I remember the voice synth software that ran on a C64 back in the mid eighties, via it's SID chip, they made great play of it's effectiveness because of the use of Walsh functions. I just looked up the wiki on them and got frightenened off with all those superscripts and subscripts. Perhaps there is a version for dummies.

The thing was very litteral in converting text to speech and it left the prose looking like text-speak, before texting was dreamt up.

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