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Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
07-03-2009, 02:43 AM
Since I hit the ground in Ohio, I had to jump straight into my Computer business.
(Funny how the work piles up when you take a couple days off.)

I'm dying for some Propeller time! (Planned for the holiday weekend.)

Anyone else feeling this way since UPEW?
Find any new projects/directions you want to try? (I did!)

Psst.. Someone is working on Youtube videos from the show right now!

OBC

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mpark
07-03-2009, 03:07 AM
I'm riding the tail end of the high from the expo and using it to motivate me to finish the Sphinx documentation. After that, something completely different (not sure what yet).

Beau Schwabe (Parallax)
07-03-2009, 03:51 AM
Oldbitcollector,

When you do finally find some Prop time, I can't wait to hear about your project results! (<-tongue and cheek grin)

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Ole Man Earl
07-03-2009, 04:13 AM
Still catching up on sleep....

Bill Henning
07-03-2009, 04:58 AM
Just finished initial parts list, now working on build instructions and ordering parts... then more driver work :)

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potatohead
07-03-2009, 05:35 AM
Yeah!

It was tough to DO NOTHING, until last night. That was fun working on getting the demo boards from the freebie table up and running. Some of those components are really, really small... I need better gear! (isn't that always the case)

One thing I did do was jot down some of the stuff that was talked about, so that I've at least got a good start on things this weekend.

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localroger
07-03-2009, 06:30 AM
I've been itching to do more work on PropFAT, under PropCMD 2.0. I have first light on reading files, which means it's about 80% complete. It will fully support subdirectories (all done), the DOS read-only and hidden file attribute bits (done for ATTRIB and using / displaying them in DIR), real DOS wildcards with * and ? as DOS uses them (working), support n files open at a time where n is however many you want to reserve buffers for, and those buffers are only about 70 bytes not 512, and n 512 byte buffers where n is determined by how much performance you want or need (and if memory is your thing n can be one even if you want lots of files open, it will just thrash the SD). The whole thing would be very close except I'm thinking of moving the text object to PropFAT instead of PropCMD so that it can mediate disk access, share things like str and hex and dec among output devices, and redirect output (DUMP myfile >newfile). Oh, and it's very thoroughly commented so you can mod it to your own purposes without being an OS guru.

The only major thing left to do is non-meta disk writes, then COPY CON and COPY (which will work VERY differently). I might do some kind of logging object to demonstrate multiple simultaneous access.

Only problem is, I have spent the last two weeks shuttling between here (New Orleans) and Shreveport (5.5 hours drive away) for a couple of important jobs, and more is scheduled for next week. I'm thinking of putting some personal time in on it this weekend but the house is asking politely for some work to be done (all right, it's asking politely but the neighbors are a bit more insistent that the grass needs to be mowed).

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
07-03-2009, 06:50 AM
Beau Schwabe (Parallax) said...
Oldbitcollector,

When you do finally find some Prop time, I can't wait to hear about your project results!


Snuck down to the lab with a couple of coffee..

Thought I *might* be able to cheat by adding up the bytes from an 8bit sample.
Duh.. Of course not!

Starting to drop in GRAPHICS and begin plotting data.

OBC

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WBA Consulting
07-03-2009, 07:07 AM
I am not even a prop-head yet and I can't wait to play with my Prop-USB proto board and my recently resurrected freebie table Demo Board. I am hoping to have time tomorrow since I have the day off, but I have a lot of catch up work to do around the house that's been ignored since my 2 week vacation in early June.

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Beau Schwabe (Parallax)
07-03-2009, 11:57 PM
Oldbitcollector (http://forums.parallax.com/member.php?u=48960) said...
Thought I *might* be able to cheat by adding up the bytes from an 8bit sample.

You might actually be able to do something like that and look at the data as the amount of "area under the curve" you still need to reference a threshold and integrate a specific time slice of the data however.· I think peak detection over a certain threshold though is going to be your best bet. Let me know when you get to the point of needing to "stretch" the data to normalize it.·· .... Ok Shhhh no more clues. :o)

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Post Edited (Beau Schwabe (Parallax)) : 7/3/2009 5:02:24 PM GMT

jazzed
07-04-2009, 01:23 AM
For me post-UPEW prop-time has been less than enthusiastic - feels like jet-lag somehow. I napped all day Monday and Tuesday. Now I'm back to trying different code optimizations for my 16 IO Prop-XMM memory module. Other than that I feel listless and don't really know why. Hope no-one else has this problem.

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lonesock
07-04-2009, 01:43 AM
Oldbitcollector said...
I'm dying for some Propeller time! (Planned for the holiday weekend.)

Anyone else feeling this way since UPEW?

Ironically, I was dying to _go_ to UPEW, but consoled myself with some quality propeller time [8^)

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-04-2009, 02:00 AM
jazzed said...
...I feel listless and don't really know why.

'Probably the heat. California's scorching weather has now extended a finger into Washington State, and my shop is getting too hot for productive work. All I feel like doing is reading N&V in the shade while sipping on an icy G&T.

-Phil

jazzed
07-04-2009, 03:01 AM
Well, I *could* blame it on the Chardonnay ....

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potatohead
07-04-2009, 09:39 AM
LOL!!!

Plain old lime juice and shade here in PDX.

I have to say the travel was rough for me. Between that and work, I was just cooked! I'm jumping in little bits at a time. Fixed a demo board, now it's time to upgrade it with Bill's Xtal, so I've got at least one 100Mhz board. Today, I'm surfing a little and thinking through some display code OBC and I talked about.

Today, I slept through most of the heat. Better to do stuff at night when it's cool.

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-04-2009, 10:16 AM
potatohead said...
I have to say the travel was rough for me.

Yeah, the drive back to WA wasn't the most pleasant for me either. My old beater diesel Benz isn't air conditioned, and the temp in the valley was 108F+. I stopped and bought some sunscreen for my left arm and even had to remove my wristwatch since it was starting to burn my wrist! 'Finally started to get some relief from the heat around Medford, so I decided to drive all night just to avoid the daytime heat, the weekday construction crews, and the Portland traffic. 'Got home about 4 a.m. When I arrived, the floor on the passenger side was completely covered with Gatorade and bottled water containers!

Was it worth it? DEFINITELY!!! I'd do it again in a heartbeat!

-Phil

potatohead
07-04-2009, 11:39 AM
Me too.

Man, that's hard core, driving back to WA. I live west of PDX. How long was your drive?

I got lucky and ended up with a work flight to San Jose. Got back home about 10:00. ...you were still driving!

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-05-2009, 12:35 AM
I left Parallax at 1 p.m. Sunday so, all told, the drive was 15 hours. It was nice being able to zip through Portland on I-5 late at night, rather than doing the stop-and-go on I-205 during the day. 'Missed going to Fry's in Wilsonville, though.

-Phil

Rayman
07-05-2009, 12:42 AM
I just got all my junk unpacked and the suitcase put away (wife was on my case!)...

I was jealous after seeing two huge Fry's stores on the way from Sacramento to Rocklin... Especially, now that our CompUSA is closed, it'd be really nice to have one here on the East Coast...

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Beau Schwabe (Parallax)
07-05-2009, 01:09 AM
Rayman,

I know for sure that there is an East coast Fry's in Atlanta, GA and I'm sure that there are a few others. Where abouts East coast are you?

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pjv
07-05-2009, 01:14 AM
Hi All;

Wonderful experience that UPEW! And the courtesy offered by our Parallax hosts was incredible..... on Sunday afternoon Ken found the time to take Ole Man Earl and myself to FRY's. Quite a place..... we have no such store in Canada. So Phil and Rayman, I understand your dismay not being able to stop at them on your way by.

cheers,

Peter (pjv)

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-05-2009, 01:27 AM
It's my own fault. Ken told me how to get to a the Fry's in Rocklin on my way out of town; but I elected to go north on 65 to join 99, rather than south to join I-80, thence to I-5. I would've spent way too much on stuff I didn't really need anyway! http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

-Phil

potatohead
07-05-2009, 01:53 AM
That's a long haul. Still, that means I can do it from PDX in maybe 13 hours. That is possible, and I never thought about driving down. Truth is, the flight back took quite some time. That was San Jose though. Flying into and out of SAC from PDX is less than $100. Still, 2 hours on the plane, 2 hours to get ready to get on the plane, limited packing options, 30 min to rent car, etc... kind of adds up.

Probably takes 5 -6 hours average time spent traveling, assuming a good flight schedule out of SAC. So, double that and have freedom to boot! Maybe I'll drive next year. Would be no big deal to book a sleeper, cheap room somewhere north of SAC, take off in the evening from PDX, do an early morning check in somewhere, snooze, then drive in to Rocklin the day of.

I used to love to fly, but it's become so onerous these days. Ugh!!! Driving is longer, but better time spent overall, IMHO.

You know, I'm in WA all the time for work. (Mostly Seattle, but sometimes Spokane, Tri-Cities.) Maybe we can meet once in a while Phil!

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Rayman
07-05-2009, 02:24 AM
I'm near Washington, DC. Never seen a Fry's around here... I've actually never been inside one, but I hear it's great...

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jazzed
07-05-2009, 03:22 AM
Back in the 80's I would go to Fry's in Sunnyvale on Oakmead Parkway when Avalon Apartments was a field and you could see Intel and Nortel across the freeway.

It was the best place in the world. No where else that I know of could one find an IBM-PC XT clone, Ho-Ho's, toothpaste, Flux, National Geographic, and 74LS161 chips in the same store.

Funny, at the time I worked for Link Flight Simulation. Today the Sunnyvale Fry's is in the old Link building (my office was where the Cafe' registers are now and the motherboard sit on the old SR71 simulator site).

BTW @potatohead, it took me less than 2 hours to get home using 80 on Monday morning.

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-05-2009, 03:24 AM
potatohead,

I think more like 11 hours Rocklin -> Portland. It takes me 4 hours from Portland to home on the Olympic Peninsula. If you ever make to this side of the Sound, let me know!

Flying used to be fun, but not anymore. I think the solution is to remove the passenger cabins altogether, substituting one-person "pods" in their place. Passengers would be stuffed with their luggage into their pods, anaesthetized (perhaps via hydrogen sulfide gas, which can induce a reversible state of suspended animation), and bulk loaded into the now-larger cargo hold. Upon arrival at their destination, they'd be revived and sent on their way. It'd be a win-win for all concerned: no passenger discomfort, no awareness of endless flight delays, no in-flight services needed, no possibility of a hijacking, and dirt cheap tickets!

-Phil

potatohead
07-05-2009, 03:35 AM
Yeah, I hit recreational traffic. Tried 5 out of SAC and about 10 minutes down the road it was a wall of cars. I had already driven 80 several times in the past. Thought the trip down I-5 would just be different. Well, it was! Doubled back onto 80, and it was just hit and miss all the way in to San Jose. I made my flight, and it was a short one too. All good. I actually slept on that one! Those are the best flights.

I've thought many times of hanging a sign around my neck. "If you think I'm sleeping, let's leave it that way!".


Potato: [finally scores that in-flight, cramped, window seat of last hope sleep!]

Steward(ess): sir, Sir!, SIR!

Potato: WTF ?!?

Steward(ess): ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING?

Potato: Well, I do now!

Ugh...

Fry's is great. I'm not far from the Wilsonville one here. I go once a month or so.

After driving around in CA, Oregon always seems so old and pokey!

Will do Phil.

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Philldapill
07-05-2009, 03:42 AM
Before I decided to do school full time, I worked for a company in Indiana. I think in 2007 alone, I flew 43 weekends to do a job SOMEWHERE in the states.

During those countless hours in the airport, waiting and waiting, I think I came to the exact conclusion as you did. Aside from the occasional beverage in flight, we are already treated like cattle. Why not take it to the next level, but reduce the discomfort by knocking the passengers out, and tucking them safely away?

Great idea.

potatohead
07-05-2009, 03:44 AM
Yeah, and no worries if there is some horrible problem!

Heck, I would do it. See sleep post above.

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jazzed
07-05-2009, 03:55 AM
Well, stewardess if you offer me something warm and lumpy I'll take it .... Hot chocolate and a pillow sir ?

Glad you made your flight.

My average speed from Rocklin to San Jose was a little too high. I got lucky and found a little red C6 Corvette to follow most of the way (cops would get him before me at 82 mph :) Poking around in Oregon reminds me of watching a farmer turn right :) Tractor influence I guess, but I was always amazed watching several of them get in the left lane before the turn (and most were in their pickups :). Then you have the leapfrog gang where no one wants to stay in the fast lane too long, but everybody wants to get there first :)

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-05-2009, 04:09 AM
jazzed said...
I got lucky and found a little red C6 Corvette to follow most of the way (cops would get him before me at 82 mph :)

'You sure about that?

Cop: "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

Jazzed: "Um, because I was easier to catch than that other guy?"

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-Phil

Harley
07-05-2009, 06:55 AM
Phil,

I note there is a Fry's in Renton, where ever that city is. Maybe too far for normal jaunts.

I live about 15 miles south of the Wilsonville, OR store. One can shop on-line, but nothing like having items in hand to examine, huh?http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/yeah.gif

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-05-2009, 07:31 AM
Harley,

I've never been to the Fry's in Renton (south of Seattle). I've been close a few times, but never had a big enough reason to fight Seattle's horrendous traffic getting there. I've gotten spoiled, living in a small town, and have lost my patience for big-city driving.

-Phil

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
07-05-2009, 07:33 AM
jazzed said...
Well, stewardess if you offer me something warm and lumpy I'll take it .... Hot chocolate and a pillow sir ?




Anyone who knows me well, knows that I don't care to fly.. :) I'm a card carrying member SOAR.
(Ok, so I'm a control freak.. I'm told it comes from an insecure childhood. )

In spite of my poor comfort of flight, most of the trip was extremely smooth. Coming back to Ohio,
the pilot decided it would be "neat" to come in low over the trees before the runway at CAK.
Had a bunch of people asking if it was an emergency landing.

Me? I've discovered I'm not a fan of crop dusting..... :)

OBC

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mpark
07-05-2009, 02:12 PM
I can't believe it's been a whole week since UPEW. Meeting people, looking at everyone's projects, staying up late, just grooving on the vibe. Man I miss it.

WBA Consulting
07-07-2009, 03:28 AM
I was going back through all the threads on UPEW. I found that I should consider myself lucky because:

1) I live 15 miles from Parallax.
2) I work 3 miles from Parallax
3) I am able to visit Fry's on the way home or during my lunch hour.
4) I have access to top notch soldering equipment, including 2D x-ray and IR rework tools. (reworking the audio chip on the demo board was cake)
5) My wife is re-arranging the den to make room for an inside workbench for my "toys". Then, she can stamp (the ink kind for cards/scrapbooks) while I "stamp" (the Parallax kind).
6) I got a boost on a few of my ideas/projects from discussions with a few folks at UPEW.
7) The deadlines for my 2 open projects are way out in December and March of next year. Several people seemed to be working hard to get their current projects done in a week or two.
8) I occasionally have the chance to have PCBs made for free when they are small enough to fit into the wasted space on another project's panelization. PCB costs seem to be a roadblock/speed bump for many people. I am actually laying out the Basic Stamp Tester (http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=759845) PCB into a size that fits under a 40 pin ZIF socket so that I can get the PCBs made for free.

I am unlucky however, because I am averaging about 2 hours of free time a week to spend with my "Parallax toys". http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

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TinkersALot
07-07-2009, 04:02 AM
Managed to build the ucontroller board and game stacker on Friday afternoon...my over 40 eyes are getting totally dependant on soldering under a magnifying lamp...and the more I do it, the less I burn my own fingers cuz of the depth of field differences....also have to say it was one of the more enjoyable geek-fests I've been to in a long time so my gratitude to Parallax for being such good hosts.....with the three day w/end it was nice to have an extra day at the end of the week to play like that and still have 2 more days to spend with the family.... next will validate voltages on pins then will apply active electrons to see what magic can happen....also regretting not picking up a hydra at the "show price" ho well.....maybe they'll go on sale soon again...

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-07-2009, 05:49 AM
Andrew,

(Sorry, I couldn't resist... http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/smile.gif )

I found that I should consider myself lucky because:

1) I live in a small town more than 750 miles north of Sacramento's summer heat, oppressive traffic, and suburban sprawl. (We have four stoplights.)

2) I don't have to drive to work.

3) Being weak-willed when it comes to gadget lust, every time I can't go to Fry's, I save enormous sums of cash!

It's all relative, I suppose, but I've gotten rather used to the lack of commercial amenities and getting everything via UPS. And yet, the local Radio Shack carries Parallax products, so I'm not that far "off the grid".

(Now, if Parallax would just move their entire operation to Port Townsend, my life would be perfect!)

-Phil

TinkersALot
07-07-2009, 06:03 AM
PhiPi --

If Parallax is going to move, they should move to Nevada City, California....We only have one stop light.....<grin>

jazzed
07-07-2009, 06:05 AM
Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
... oppressive traffic, and suburban sprawl. (We have four stoplights.) ...

And I'd bet one of those is right in front of Walmart :)

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
07-07-2009, 06:08 AM
Nope, no Walmart here. http://forums.parallax.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

-Phil

WBA Consulting
07-08-2009, 12:19 AM
Phil, no problem, I am not a big city boy in any sense........

1) My town only has 2 real stop lights. 6 total if you count the one at the high school crosswalk, elementary school crosswalk, bike trail crossing, and in front of the fire station. I don't count those since they are almost always green and aren't at an intersection...........

2) Well, I don't have to drive to work on Tuesdays; I work from home 1 day a week..... But, when I do drive, my 13 mile commute is mostly backroads through farmland.

We don't have a Walmart in town (closest one is 4 miles though) and we have only had a McDonalds for a few years. I have one of the typical lots in town, a 1/4 acre.

You are right though, it is all relative. I don't deal with traffic except on rare occasions, even though I only live 20 minutes from downtown Sac. When I travel and people ask where I am from, I say Sacramento, because no one knows my little town. (Rio Linda)

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Bean
07-08-2009, 07:08 PM
TinkersALot said...
PhiPi --

If Parallax is going to move, they should move to Nevada City, California....We only have one stop light.....<grin>
· They need to move to Perry County, PA. There is not a single traffic light in·the entire county. It's something of a bragging right for the population.

Bean.


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